Will Edwards http://www.jta.org/user/profile/67257 en-us zsilberman@washingtonjewishweek.com Copyright 2012 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Namir Yaarot again you simply lie. So what are you really? Palestinian? Yemenite, Egyptian? Hannah I do not argue with your correct statement that there are religious grounds for not having a Jewish wedding. I was saying from the outset it appeared as if the biggest objections from what I was reading was more bigotry then religion. This woman needs to convert period, but it is her decision to make. We all agree on that right? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol well Christianity is definitely something that's for sure... It stands for a lot of good things on paper, but its players are not so nice. The USA should spend more time attending to the needs of its citizens instead of the greed of its corporations, yes. It should spend no time on arguing with Israel about Israeli housing and stand by it as an ally if it really is one. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That's being unfair. He tried his best to speak out about the concerns the US State Dept has over Palestinian officials trying to incite trouble, but the reporter would not hear of it and constantly worked to turn it into an Israel bashing press conference. Be fair Mr. Cappiello 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Presant I feel I must clarify something here. Israel had announced these apartments long before.... months possibly even a year or so before Obama's campaign of appeasement to the Palestinians. This is merely another excuse these wicked murderers use to continue the blood lust they have against Jews. You can say what you like but more people read the Jewish daily newspapers then you may be aware. I really don't have any patience for those, especially Jews, who support the Palestinian cause. On the other hand I don't go for atrocities committed towards the Palestinians either. They are still human beings and as a Jew I hold a high regard for all life...even the lives of my enemies. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Texas was won from the new fledgling nation Mexico by Texans not by the USA. Texas was an independent nation that chose statehood in 1846 after 10 yrs as an independent country. It had nothing really to do with Spain. It was France who was controlling the area now called Mexico until Mexico won its independence with the help of the United States. Other then that serious misrepresentation of history I agree with you Mr. Feldman. The current leadership in the United States is a very big disappointment to those of us that helped put it in place and we are going to correct our mistake as soon as possible. If it were up to me i would remove every single hostile Arab, Islamic, and/or Palestinian on traditional Jewish land and never allow them to return. Around the beginning of the common era there was as place we called Israel that the Greeks called Palestine and since the Greeks re-wrote the history of the region and cemented it in the minds of the world through its invention and support of a new religion "Christianity" it stuck. Later the Romans adopted it as a means to rebuild the Roman Empire and as a result we have the bloodiest religion ever in the history of mankind thinking itself the father of itself. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Namir Yaarot you are wrong again. While it is true that the terms Palestinian and Palestine stem from improper rendering of the Philistine name by the Greeks a long time ago it is still the conventional name given to these murderous wanton people. We have some serious problems to deal with the least of which is whether you call it a tail or a leg. As far as Joe Biden or Obama or Clinton or any of those scoundrels is concerned... who cares what they say? They can't even get their own to agree on anything. We can't depend on them at all for anything. All of Jerusalem...then lets move on to the rest of Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No sir Mr. Presant you do not appear to be as you said "not driving drunk". To me you appear to be a coward and an appeaser, willing to give up your heritage and your faith in a "peace in our times" gesture. I find no stomach for your brand of deception and think you more a traitor to your fellow Jew. I, sir, am a lot more liberally minded then most I know of, but you are just plain wrong. Shame on you. No matter what concession you make the Palestinian will just cry for more all the while plotting to murder your children (if you have any). I find absolutely no sympathy for your point of view. Lastly let me explain that G-d is our greatest ally not the United States. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 heh actually that was funny Namir... Israel owes no apology to the United States for acting in its own best interest. Israel is not a lackey of the US it is an independent sovereign nation that has successfully defended itself against constant outside aggression and is well prepared to do so in the future. It is the right of Israelis to decide their own fate and it is the right of the Israeli government to expel those determined to undermine it. The Palestinians are just such a people as are the Islamics and the falsely labeled left wing radicals. I would defend Israel to my dying breath and I don't even live there. I say to hell with Mr Biden, to hell with all those meddling a-holes trying to force their own agenda on the only place on earth Ha-Shem, the real landlord, gave to a people. Oh this irritates me! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Very well said! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tchochkes... exactly what the RNC sees Jews as 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I would agree that conversion is really the only solution for a good orthodox Jewish family to result, but take a good look around you folks. That has not been the case for a while and it may take a generation or two for their offspring to realize their heritage as it did for me and return home to Judaism. I question some of the motives here because it sounds more like racism then religious requirement, but I could be taking it wrong. I hope this couple gets the advice of a good orthodox rabbi and makes a wise informed decision, free from the bias and vitriol of the crowd around them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I want to say something here, but to people who think this message from such a man as GW Bush is a good thing, there is nothing that will help them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You do know that Mr. Disney a staunch republican hated Jews right? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am not opposed to President Obama Mr. Steinlauf because if not for him we'd have Sarah Palin and she is probably the only political figure dumber and more bigoted then GW Bush. In Disneyland they have a pirate ride and one of the attractions is a jailed pirate with a sign "a pirate in irons is full of guile and the blackest heart wears the broadest smile. Yes I agree that Mr. Obama has a lot to learn and he may lean away from Jewish interests, but he employs many good Jews and a few... so-so Jews. He is actually trying to bring about some positive improvements since the Republican jackels (that closely resemble Mr. Hitler's political party if you honestly compare them) ravaged our economy and put us in several senseless wars. I am very pro Israel and I also believe there can never be a two state Israel as long as even one good Jew remains alive. I do disagree with Mr. Obama on many things, sir, but I cannot nor will I ever mistake the rhetoric of the Republican Monsters as benevolent towards us or Judaism as a whole. The tea parties (modern day brown shirts) are a good example as is the rabid rhetoric of the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. I wish there was an effective political party in the United States that was completely honest, fair,and dedicated to doing the right thing, but there isn't. I simply cannot support the modern day evil that is the republican party though. I support my fellow Jews first and foremost and I am a loyal US citizen, a Vietnam era veteran, and a staunch supporter of Israel. I am not some blind sheep following a wicked overlord to the slaughter. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I have read through this and I tend to think people that hate Jews or what Jews do are anti Jewish. Honestly a Semitic person is both Jewish and Arab. We can't take credit for the whole thing. More specifically these people are anti-Jewish. Most Arabs hate Jews, from my experience, and most of them don't have a clue as to why. It is just what they are taught. Those people can learn differently if we give them a fair chance. There are some people who really truly hate Jews and Judaism.... I've found most of them to be Catholic, but there are some in the extreme realms of the Protestant faiths as well. Ignorance is the most frequent cause of hate and bigotry, take Namir Yaarot for example. He is hate personified in a rather blatantly paranoid package. I have feelings of hatred too. I hate having to defend myself all the time. I hate reading of how my brothers and sisters have been savagely attacked, murdered, or tortured. I hate my inability to adequately communicate but that is purely my fault. I find at times my frustration over this fact brings out animosity I really don't feel. The bottom line in my opinion is that anyone who denegrates the Jew or Judaism as a whole may not believe themselves to be particularly bigoted but they are professing an anti-Jew mentality. We have Torah to guide us in our behavior. We are lucky. They are mostly misguided souls trying to make sense out of their world without Torah. I feel sad for them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think it is clear that the relationship between the United States people and Israel is getting stronger but the relationship between the Israeli government and the US government is becoming strained due to the lack of continuity the US now has. While Mr. Obama, our current president is viewed by most including me as desirous of straightening up our position both domestically and abroad I feel he is moving in a direction counter productive to Israeli - US relations because of his ignorance on the matter. I still believe Mr. Obama wants to be an ethical and fair man who apparently finds some credence in the vicious lies and slanderous attacks by the "evil horde" and feels a twinge of compassion for them. He doesn't realize its all a false front and in reality Islam is a wicked political arm of decadent and purely evil sheiks and traditional arab power hungry henchmen who have no respect for life liberty or happiness other then their own. If the US fails to recognize the Israeli people for who they are it is not the fault of the citizens of the US but its silly leaders too caught up in taking the spoils from a nation they already feel has gone down the way of the Roman empire. With regards to you Mr. Namir Yaarot or whatever you decide to go by in the future... you are nothing short of an uneducated bigot full of hate, frusttration, and ignorance. The only one who isn't aware of that is you. I refuse to get sucked in to your depraved world any longer. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Somehow Namir your rant sounds familiar as does your terrible grammar. It is one thing to do wrong. It is entirely another to set up in a place of authority and respect and abuse that position to do and teach wrong. There have been far too many examples recently of highly placed rabbis undertaking despicable acts and hiding behind their positions to escape scrutiny. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is the truth and the single biggest reason to eradicate Islam from the face of the earth. It is a directive for these immoral vicious animals to attack and kill us at their whim. They know we will never abandon our relationship with Ha-Shem the real and living G-d in favor of their evil concoction of a substitute god of their own making. This is their excuse for the violence and wickedness that runs through the whole of Islam against Jews, Christians, and the rest. You cannot placate these people and anyone who thinks otherwise is a damned fool. will edwards 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Murry I think they were referring to the experiments done to the prisoners at the concentration camps. I would think harvesting organs from unwilling participants would pretty well qualify. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 How can one morally justify harvesting organs from anyone without permission? If this practice actually did occur those responsible at least need to be relieved of their duties and this horrible practice condemned. It really is like experiments forced on Jewish prisoners during the holocaust but I can't not believe any Israeli would do such to anyone alive. I hope some reputable Jewish news organization would tell the whole story truthfully so we can understand exactly what happened and why. There are always people like Galloway ready to jump on any incident to further the cause of anti Jewish sentiment. We really don't need to give them legitimate ammunition. I still can't wrap my brain around this concept of harvesting body parts... could we really be responsible for that? How shameful! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol that upper one had a slight cut and paste error... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 George Iverson let me say that to me this... the United States is where I was born, I now live, and consider my home, but Israel...Israel is my birthright granted by Ha-Shem for eternity. Now one thing to note.... if this melting glacier, rising sea level thingy has any merit.... The dead sea is the lowest place on earth... Now... as for that 2bit jerk David... let me just say I am sick to death of you cowardly defenders of your own inaction. I have had so many of you pot-bellied rebel flag waving drunken nit wits tell me... a vetern of service... things like that it makes me queasy in a too much lard in the pancakes this morning queasy. The one thing you learn from a position of strength is you can tolerated the weaker a lot easier... David you have repeatedly brought, you and your buddies, a foul blend to these forums and really I wish, if you're Jewish to learn to keep your mouth (typing fingers) shut for a change. If you aren't Jewish then just leave... you are offensive, insulting, and hateful towards Jews. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Family Guy is an adult show that takes a cynical and sarcastic approach to humor. If you don't understand it don't watch it. You have the choice right in your hand...the remote. This is an outrageous comedy skit by a talented if irreverent group of writers and actors. I laugh thinking about it... If you were offended by this intentionally outrageous and clearly evident spoof then you have lost your sense of humour and THAT could cause serious harm to your soul. There are quite a few times when I disagree with the flavor of the show but it is still a very funny way to take a different look at prejudice and downright stupid situations. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That is the absolute truth. ...the disappearance of the "secular and religiously liberal" American Jew is inevitable due to intermarriage, low birth rates and assimilation... Reform Judaism is destroying the Jewish community... and maybe the Jew too. I can understand wanting to live life to your own beat but, without community there is no real identity and without identity one tends to wander aimlessly through life. Are we really ready for this experiment of life to end for us? Outside influence on the gene pool is not only essential but also beneficial, yet letting go of the traditional identity of a people cause that people not to be. There is strength, purpose, and joy in the traditional unity of the Jewish community and that is what must be preserved if we are to remain an entity unto ourselves... The Jews. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And there are a lot of Jewish charities I don't give to simply because they do more good for the administrators then the needy. I strongly believe in charity Carole, but I am not going to watch greedy men use helpless people as an excuse to make a fat paycheck. Curse the man who gets rich off the backs of the poor. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Carole please don't be so black or white. Orthodox Jewry is the only time tested solid traditional Judaism. There are extremes that call themselves Orthodox but they aren't. They are weird cults...every faith has them, Then there are the wishy washy groups that think whatever they want to do is ok... those we call Reform Jews. I would say, from my limited experience, that Conservative Judaism is the more rational approach, but Orthodox Judaism is the authority. Orthodox Judaism has largely grown in to a hijacked faith where powerfully political Rabbis use pressure position to push for themselves. This is an aspect where interpretation of Torah is used to support their own agendas. Trust me Carole, Ha-Shem will correct all our mistakes. Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sarah a man with designs of grandeur doesn't want his followers to follow too close. Education is the bane of blind faith. Blind faith is the bane to truth and truth is the bane of the evil one. Education, especially in the sciences can only help a person throughout his entire public and private life. Fear, Sarah, is what keeps the educators of these children from educating them. They don't want to lose power over them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Milton if you are going to represent yourself as a Semite and a Jew may I ask you to, at least, be accurate? Semites are a particular breed of the human phylum that includes Arabs as well as Jews. I have discovered that there are Jews that aren't Hebrew and Hebrews that aren't Jews. While I try to rationalize all this I do realize that Semitic people are identifiable as a distinct people through DNA analysis. I try not to say anti-semitic because what I really mean is anti Jew. In this case I disagree with several points Mr. Cohen backs, but I wouldn't call him anti-Semitic. Perhaps you mean "not a republican" but that would apply to every non-millionaire with a brain and a sense of independence. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Be that as it may Gary Katz what earthly reason is there for putting a child in a prison? There must be better answers and better solutions. This is a time when we, as Jews, need to seriously remember our commitment to fairness and compassion for others...especially children. Prison is no place for a child...period. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It's kind of hard to simulate the roughness of an outside campsite in the midst of the wilderness aboard a boeing jumbo jetliner... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Her death alone is enough to wage fierce war against the enemies of Judaism until none of them remain. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Spain has historically been a nation of racist agenda. They have always felt non-Spaniards to be beneath them and thus not worthy of humanity or G-d's love. It has been so tightly woven in to Spanish lore that nothing I can think of will shake them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Like the Japanese diplomatic mission on the eve of the attack at Pearl Harbor..." No worries mate, we're not gonna attack you." 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I hope that the Iranian aggression plan can be stopped before it becomes necessary to destroy Iran. Still, I am willing to go ahead and destroy Iran...and Syria, Libya, etc, etc, etc 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh crud... who do they want to crucify this time? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think it is time to move some defenders in to Brooklyn for a while. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well... logical, pragmatic, and honest..... there is hope for the Arab after all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again Thoroughly Disgusting and David R Evans and scores of others... You anti-Jews have no business coming on to a Jewish News site and degrading and deriding Jews. You kind is the worst of humanity, slimy and cowardly. Your kind is full of hate and lie, jealously and bitterness. You spout complete fabrications and denounce anyone who tries to tell you the truth. You have no sound basis in history or the Jewish faith yet you act as if you know all about both. You people need to seriously find a life outside of the areas you claim to hate. You do no good and that is a bad thing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 hey marvin don't you pollute us with your verbage under a different name too? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 A billionaire would easily pay a million for his freedom 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What is it about these Russians that they have no morals, no convictions (other then criminal) and they have no faith in anything other then themselves? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 one small comment... Anti-Semite has come to mean Jew hater but in reality the Arabs are a semitic people too. Of course it does seem as if they hate themselves as well. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The Arab is a "nation" of hate. It has been so since the beginning. It will be so on the last of days. They know no other life. Their passion is very strong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl... I accidentally hit report comment when I meant to hit post a comment.... blame it on my failing eyes. That is a nice prayer but may I suggest a deeper study into prayer, what and why we pray? Respectfully , will edwards 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dig deeper in your prayer book Cheryl. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Then I'd start on the rest of these Arab hate mongering nations of murderous lying a-holes. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H the British are providing plausible deniability. The Saudis as protectors of the Islamic faith would never allow Jews to use their resources to attack another Islamic nation. It would cause revolt they couldn't stop. As far as Israel using flyovers...well I am not privy to their military analysis so we'll just have to wait and see...me, I would keep bombing them until there was absolutely nothing left but dust and rubble.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There was little any western country could do until 1944 Mr. Schleichkorn. I did hear of two ships carrying Jews to the United States that were turned away, but Europe was in the hands of Hitler until June of 1944. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 TD Israel didn't steal the land you lying neo nazi! The Arabs are trying to murder us and take the land. They just hate the Jew and they cannot stand the Jew living that close to them. They invented the Palestinian problem and they invented the animosity just like they invent their own history. You are one of their pitiful little pawns and you are definitely thoroughly disgusting. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The reality is plain Mr Blaustein. If the house of Saud raised the per barrel price beyond what decent volume would allow the western oil companies would lose money and they would get the US Army to destroy Saudi Arabia. After all it is the corporations that run the United States. We call it democracy, but the dictionary calls it fascism. After all it is the corporations that empower greedy little despots like those living as the house of Saud.... but only as long as they play ball. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I'm beginning to think its just a couple of dirtbag Arabs using a lot of different names to slam Israel and Jews. I mean why would these idiots come in here to say the things they do? They really can't believe they are trusted can they? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This article brought out the usual nazis and Jew haters I see. I think we should kick them out of here and oh yes...... bomb Iran into dust. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey Leon maybe your ancestors knew my ancestors.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl no... Germany is not a friend. It may be a peaceful coexisting associate at this time, but it is far from a friend. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sure... just as soon as we get one about the organ harvesting stories. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Cheryl I won't stop because these vicious nazis are what I say they are. People are so afraid of losing the "leave it to beaver' life they never had that they clamor to find shelter and security in these lying pundits of hatred and intolerance. The Republican party is working very hard to stamp out freedom, diversity, truth, and knowledge for everyone but their select few. These people are horrible fascists bent on world domination and only through a campaign of education and awareness do we the people stand even the slightest chance. They are replacing our lives of individual expression for a rigid world of share croppers and poverty. Once they close the borders (they are trying to do that now) coupled with their "expanded police powers" you will find your American dream turning in to a nightmare. While I am a bit offended by your constant false claims of defined liberalism, because I am a registered democrat, an active member in my community, and an outspoken citizen concerning the things that effect me... I understand it is because you are reiterating a conditioning rather then a true understanding. You have some exceptional points of view (the recent posting of Philistine history is a very good example) and I appreciate your input, but you really are being conned by these republican jerks. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl you are so gullible. You are just what the republicans like. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl the general population has had no idea about the horribly repressive or abusive policies of the Republican regimes against the 3rd world. This has been going on since the second world war when it became apparent to these well connected political criminals they could make obscene profits by exploiting everyone. Your failure to see, understand, and object to it is one very good example of how we as a people are unaware of the actions of our nation's leaders. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well the Palestinians don't tell the truth especially when it comes to propagandizing their murderous role in the death of innocent people both Israeli and Palestinian. I would not believe what they said at all. I refuse to make a decision on this issue because I don't know the facts. I find no satisfaction in the death of this young man. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Obama will never stop the Syrians from being Syrian. All these nations around Israel are tethered with the common bonds of religion and hatred for Jews. Obama is about to take another one up the rump. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The real issue seems to be completely overlooked in the zeal to concern oneself with the monetary issue. Have you considered how much of this meat any of you may have consumed? Consider this... The illegals that worked in the plant are more then likely just like the workers in all such plants and that would render the Kashrut standard rather moot, not to mention the very real possibility this meat was contaminated because of the general unhygienic customs of these migratory workers. There is a reason for Kosher other then to make a mafia like group of Rabbis rich and powerful. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl... "the pali teen surely got what he deserved"? What a terrible thing to say. We don't know what that particular person was doing. For all we know the teen was hit while the Jeep was trying to avoid the stones. This could be just a tragic accident where a human being lost a life because of the confusion of the moment. As you are probably well aware I have no love for these hateful Arabs trying to murder us, but I am aghast at the thought of wanton killing and especially rejoicing about it. Individual acts of violence only hurt us. If we are forced to eradicate the Arab from the land, let us do it as one people with knowledge that it is for the better of us all and do not relish the carnage. Do what must be done, but never take smug joy over the death of anyone, friend or foe. Ari H your propensity to find the Israeli at fault really bothers me about you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Perelman, a bunch of Palestinian hoodlums (is there any other kind?) surrounded a small group of faithful at the wall and threw stones at them for praying. These ungodly and vicious scum of humanity eagerly seek any chance they can to inflict misery on others... it's just that the Jews are handy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Wow... dying on Yom Kippur. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol no Cheryl its not tinkertoy material.... but I bet the "made in iran" sticker was destroyed. This situation is terrible and its no less terrible that something must be done to the Palestinians in order to keep Israel safe, but it must be done. I choose my people over these stupid murderous ungodly Arabs. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Melvin you know how these neo-Nazis and Arabs are 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Why hasn't JTA done something about all these invaders such as Shepherd, David Evans, Thoroughly Disgusting, this so called "David" and others? These jerks come in here only to harass and lie. They provide no constructive efforts at all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I get so angry at these deceitful reprobates coming in here lying and trying to stir up trouble... they pull their figures out of their Imam's *sses and expect us to buy them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 To hell with you Marilyn Shepherd, you no good Islamic sympathizer. Why don't you go away and leave us alone? Don't call me boy you filthy Arab instigator. You are a liar. You are an intentional obfuscation of truth and a perversion of humanity. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I was pretty sure, Cheryl, that the greeks were the ones that called it Palestine. Your history seems pretty complete to me though. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Very very good Cheryl. I would say well done and meticulously accurate. Of course you know these so-called Palestinians won't hear a word of it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl Iranian leaders don't care about Arabs...only what Arabs can do for them. I would think you knew that by now. Iranian leaders think their god has ordained them rulers of the entire earth and they really don't care about anyone except themselves. They find it easy to enlist like leaders but it is nothing more then a den of thieves eager to to chew the throat out of each other when the time comes. I imagine one day soon I will wake up to read in the newspaper that their used to be a country called Iran. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 the so-called Palestinians need to be routed from Israel. They need to be chased back in to Islamo-land where they belong. You throw a rock at me and I will shoot you in the head. That seems like a fair trade to me. Actually I'm the kind of guy that would chase down all your relatives too. I would pull your entire tree up by the roots cast it in the fire... as the old skool Biblical dudes would say. If you let me live in peace I would be happy to do the same for you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl you are right war is something you play to win...quickly and definitively without question. It is for these reasons I advocate a complete and utter victory against the Arab horde and no other. I don't personally relish violence in any form, least of all the deaths of many people, but if we don't put an end to this erosion of our ability to live perpetrated by the so-called Islamic jihadists we will all perish or be enslaved by a culture that is violent, abusive, and basically evil by today's standards. It isn't out of hatred for people that I make my case for war. It is because of the centuries of evidence we are all drowning in. I am not taken in by the lying tongue of wicked men and I see from what is taking place how they are trying to destroy us. That is why my level of tolerance for all these wicked Jew haters is so low and that is why I so vehemently call for their destruction. They talk of suffering... they don't even know what suffering is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Evans, TD and the rest of you hateful bigots trying to make those you hate look like the evil... there will be no solution until you a**wipes stop trying to murder us. There will be no peace as long as you are unwilling to accept the Jewish State and there will be no quarter for you who use excuse after excuse no matter what the concession because all you truly want is destruction of Israel and death to the Jewish people. You are only fooling fools... and maybe yourselves. You act as if you are some sort of moral compass and authoritative people of compassion yet you are only cold hearted murderous jackals waiting until some innocent lets down their guard and you can rob them of whatever they may have. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 wow...y'all are making me look tame... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly Disgusting call my writings what you will. Try to use some perverted sense of psychological misunderstanding in an attempt to insult me. Unlike your description of me... it won't bother me a bit. I've dealt with mealy mouthed people like you my entire life and I don't give a rat's a** what you say. You are simply a Jew hating a-hole and that's it. I live in a world where being a Jew, especially an observant Jew, brings admonition, abuse, violent retribution for no reason, and slander on a daily basis. I live in a world where being a Jew means always having to be ready to fight just to stay alive, where all manner of ignorant people attack us because of they fear and loathe us, not for anything we've ever done, but because of liars like YOU who spread evil stories about us. I stand against all my enemies and with Ha-Shem on my side I remain victorious ever to your frustration. Remember your words well Mr. Disgusting. There will come a day when you will rue you spoke at all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David R Evans, thank you for your respect of Yom Kippur. I appreciate it. I just wanted you to know. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 On condition of anonymity if you read what I wrote I did not accuse Mr. fake Jew of anything, even though I did intimate he was a tad cowardly for refusing to take credit for his opinion with his G-d given name. I said the Philistines were a blood thirsty nation of murderous wild animals that moved in to the area around 4500 years ago, killing the people who were peacefully living there and they themselves were routed out of the area during the time of Judges. G-d turned His Hand against them because of their wicked and cruel behavior. It is the remnants of these people who call themselves Palestinians. Palestine was the name given to Israel by the greeks during their reign of the area. Please try to read what is actually said instead of trying to twist words to fill your hateful heart. Your presentation of history is a foolish lie. It is recorded for all to see (unless you are living in an Islamic nation where the honest study of history isn't allowed) and archeological evidence supports said history. Israel has been Israel since 40 years after the escape from Egypt of what became the Jewish people at Mount Sinai. The Philistines took up the area of what is now Jordan. You call me a sick pervert. I call you a Palestinian sympathizer and a godless liar. I say you don't know a bleeping thing about what you are saying and.... well, let's just close it by saying you are wrong on almost every count... even about your name. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Luke Weyland I can't argue with you words. As humans we are all fallible whether a ditch digger or leader of a large and powerful nation. Yet some make it a point to be vicious and hateful causing death and destruction on a large scale. I would like to point out, and I hope all of you consider this very carefully. It wasn't the Jews bringing genocide to ethnicities. It isn't Israel attacking people unprovoked. It's only Israel getting the blame and that is a big difference. The decimation of the American indigenous populations is almost as great as the vast slaughters undertaken by the Catholic Church in the name of Christianity and even present day Islam with all it's hate and vitriolic rage against the innocent has to take a back seat to that. Still... for some reason... it is we Jews who get the blame. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 david or habib... whatever your real name is, please don't try to cloud the truth with your vicious rhetoric. Mosques are where these horrid murderous terrorists hide their weapons and plan their attacks from. It's where they hide when they get back from their wicked murderous rampages and its where they train children to become suicide bombers. It is where they conspire to destroy, kill, and terrorize innocent people. Their god is a god of death and their hearts are evil. Your defense of them by attacking me is vile and false. All you shuttered bleeding hearts are merely cowards shaking in your own feces while those around you are murdered. There is a special abyss for people like you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Roberts there is no point in discussing with Evans. He is a pure died in the wool hater of all things Jewish. He knows his propaganda is a pack of lies, but his agenda is ultimate death of all Jews and destruction of Israel. Prolonging his presence here in any form of discussion is a waste of valuable space and time. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I want David R Evans to face Ha-Shem for his words. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I actually expected you to have a better knowledge of history. The pope's edict of 1205 made the hunting, capturing, attempt to convert Jews to christianity, and subsequent murder through torture if they didn't was the mainstay of hardline Catholic doctrine officially until 1968 when it was tenuously rescinded. The greater majority of Catholics still believe Jews are the reason that their "G-d" son was put to death even though the act was actually carried out by their forefathers not ours. The Catholic church continues to foster anti-Semitic sentiments and the pope himself was an active member of the Hitler Youth back in the day. The Catholic church, offering sanctuary to the Jews, informed the Nazis of their presence wherever they found them and as a result millions died in the camps. Please don't try to justify Catholics at all to me. I see them for what they are. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If the Arabs trying to crush Israel with their presence are so unhappy and abused why don't they just move anywhere in the huge expanse of Arab land that surrounds Israel instead of trying to squeeze Israel like a pimple. I seriously doubt Israel would chase the Arab down if he left Israel alone. The mandates concerning Israel stem out of the British Mandate and the cowardly backstabbing of the Jewish people by failure to honor agreements made when Israel was allowed to return in 1948. This treachery was out of England's fear of losing good oil deals with the Arab even though the Arab never keeps his word. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 FYI fellow Jews... David R Evans is a Palestinian terrorist. His purpose in here is to spread lies and cause derision amongst us. You need to ignore him, report him when he is offensive, and remember he is part of a multi-headed verbal attack against Judaism and Israel in here and other internet sites. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hannah I am not laughing at you. I think you said it well enough. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 By the way Danny Scarlett an egomaniac with delusions of grandeur and an unfettered access to world destruction without the education or good sense to control it is a lot worse... case in point GW Bush. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland the incident you are discussing led to the "mark 10" cryptography system which I have some experience and knowledge of. Without the daily "phonebook" none of it would be usable to anyone. One should know the Julian Date... Danny Scarlett you need to go get an education and try to listen to those who were there instead of those who make stuff up years later. The "great conspiracy" started with the ultra right wingers and their sub phylum like the Birchers and the McCarthyists who, because of their fanatical inablility to reason were easy prey of the main characters in this drama as it unfolded. Back then the CFR was a group of rich industrialists sworn to the purpose of world domination through economic means. Bringing China in to the industrial age was the big trick because that would allow them to cripple even the United States economy and end up controlling the monetary supplies of every nation. The only kink in the plan came as slick Willie got in the white house and unintentionally thwarted them by honestly trying to solve the nation's ills. Yes Carter was a foolish idealist on the fringe of radical Christianity and as such that made him weak and ineffectual. He did put in place environmental protection, the clean air act, and he began to reverse the huge economic slide produced by the infamous Nixon wage and price freeze including the "fair trade act" which it surely wasn't. Your vitriolic comments mean nothing without the power of truth, Danny. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David you are a vicious liar. How dare you talk your crap? Al Qaeda and the Taliban attacked the United States. In other words Afghanistan thought itself powerful enough to murder thousands of civilians without fear of reprisal. Personally I would have filled the valleys with poison gas and Nuked every city and decent sized village. I would not have invaded Iraq. Saddam was a horrible man and a vicious murderer, but he did not attack us nor did he have the military capability to do us any harm. That is all on GW Bush and his evil band of republicans. As far as Israel goes, it is the Arabs that occupy historically Jewish land and all your lying retorts to the contrary fall on deaf ears except for the uneducated and Islamic indoctrinated fools. If I were in charge (lol here we go again), the very first time Arabs attacked Israel I would begin a campaign to chase them far away and those that would not run I would kill. I would burn every example of their existence and crush their obscene mosques to dust. I would obliterate any sign of their being forever. I would go old skool on their sorry personages! The spilling of Jewish blood would bring a horror to these wicked godless people that would not stop until they were completely removed as a threat. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If Iran undertakes any aggression either first hand or using one of it's satellite nation-states during this Yom Kippur may Ha-Shem utterly and completely destroy it. May it become a smoking ember for years to come. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Moishgil in 50 words or less (to yourself of course) please describe the significance of Yom Kippur and why we do what we do on this most important day of atonement. You have 364 days to work towards the goal you stated. This day is due Ha-Shem and ourselves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H the decimation of the indigenous Americas population is a historical fact and his numbers are a tad inflated but basically he is correct. Of course he must mean all the populations from what is now northern Canada to Southern Argentina. His people were decimated by warring amongst themselves and the barbaric practice of kidnapping neighboring villagers to compete in to the death sports matches. The Jews had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. Chavez is and probably will be to his death a petty despot with no compassion for anyone. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well David I just don't trust the German government...period. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Further proof of the Palestinian intent and further demonstration of our need to rid the world of this kind of society. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Today is not the day for you murderous jackels of humanity to pester me David R Evans. I am very intolerant of your kind of wickedness. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David R Evans you lying pig son of a palestinian woman... The truth is Israel has been Israel for almost 3800 years and Palestine is the ignorant longing of a people routed close to 4500 years ago because of their vicious lack of compassion for fellow human beings and their barbaric war like behaviour against their neighbors. I speak of course of the Philistine Empire which was misinterpreted by the Greeks into Palestine. Palestine was called Palestine by outsiders not residents. Your history is so skewed and dishonest that any decent argument to counter it would be mired in having to explain tangent after tangent. Either you are one of the most uneducated stupid people on the planet or you are intentionally coming on to a Jewish News site trying to instigate trouble. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Feels like old times. It's been a while since I've seen a blog completely filled with the ignorant and hateful lies of David R (Habib) Evans and I think he eloquently states a very effective case for the wholesale massacre of the Palestinian people... just so he can see what it really looks like instead of his imagined scenario of fantasy. David R Evans you are such a cowardly and despicable liar. Leland... if I may ask, what did Cheryl do to deserve such bucolic espousing from you? All the garbage from DRE has obscured my view. David R Evans you cowardly piece of monkey spittle... it is these ungodly pieces of crap you call Palestinians that sneak in to Israel and murder little children in their beds, kill bus loads of teenagers on their way to school, and newlyweds celebrating their unions. They use lie, knives, bombs, and guns to carry out their vicious unwarranted attacks on a peaceful people and I am so disgusted with it I would be happy to see every one of you worthless examples of breathing evil exterminated once and for all. My anger burns against you and your kind so strongly I am in danger of self condemnation so I pray that Ha-Shem will rid the world of your kind soon....very very soon. If you refuse from an elephant's *ss want to be treated as decent human beings start acting like em. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yeah Thoroughly disgusting its about 2% of what they give the sorry *ssed Arabs. You are as stupid and uneducated as you are hateful TD. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What Chavez forgets or fails to mention concerning the loss of all the indigenous populations is that it was disease brought by the western Europeans the killed them off. It was just as tragic and horrible, but it was due to situations completely unknown to both Europeans and the American populations. It was far from a concious intentional act as the holocaust was. There were many terrible acts committed by the Europeans true (mostly the Spaniards), but the level of decimation Chavez refers to is a complete fabrication and historically untrue. Chavez is a vicious petty dictator that wants more power on the world stage. He will cause tremendous misery for us here in the Americas if he isn't put in check, but the stupid coupled with the greedy will prevent any effective action until most of the damage is already done. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly Disgusting let me be very clear and in simple terms so that (obligatory intended insult) a morally decrepit moron like you can understand. This is a Jews news/opinion blog site...not a forum for your arabic or neo-nazi anti-Semitic rants. All you write is how bad we are, how wrong we are, how smart you are, how right you are, and how evil Judaism is. You are an evil that needs to be gotten rid of. You are a bigot and probably a coward as well. You use the anonymity of these pages to spread your filth and lie. Here is a piece of information David R (Habib) Evans... the prevailing theory is that JFK was assassinated by the Industrial military complex that stood to lose trillions of dollars (in the 60's) if he had managed to put an end to the Viet Nam war. In other words the republicans, more specifically GHW Bush and Dick Cheney. There are supposedly some evidential records due to be released by the Kennedy family 75 yrs after JKF's death. I guess we'll see, eh? Patricia Medina I can see where a Cuban national would be privy to highly sensitive top secret United States documents...can't you? It is absolutely pathetic that the United Nations has deteriorated to the state of rabble that it has become. I think New York should evict it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It makes me wonder who they worship... a well respected and renowned Rabbi of blessed memory or Ha-Shem. We are but dust. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You have single handedly removed any mercy I might have had for your disgusting kind ananymous (lying non-) Jew. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey you filthy lying dog of an Arab... had I been there with a few of my boys there wouldn't be a palestinian alive to complain. Not allowed to pray at the site of the Temple of Solomon? So help me... I would clear every last one of you godless dogs out of that Holy ground. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Archie 1954 aren't you missing one of your Nazi meetings? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly disgusting you are a liar. You support Arabs, Persians and Nazis in their stated plans to destroy Israel and murder all Jews. You deserve what's coming to you. You lie, you defame, and you accuse a people with no ill will towards anyone. We are forced to hold the lines we do because wicked people like you are trying to murder us in our beds. Ha-Shem is with us and you don't stand a chance. Just as soon as the last one of you has shown his hand G-d will strike and you will be destroyed. May that day come soon. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 excuse me Moishgil but reform Jews don't feel they have to follow the tradition or commandments Ha-Shem set down for us. I think you attack on Esther is completely unfounded and particularly mean. You clearly don't know what 5th column means. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mark Anthony please... I am going to ask you one more time to stop preaching your christianity in here. It doesn't belong here. If you don't stop I will ask the moderators at JTA to ask you to stop. It is offensive and simply doesn't belong on a Jewish news site. thank you 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 One more thing Cheryl... The Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act actually did curtail your right to free speech as well as quite a few other basic rights guaranteed by the Constitution yet no constitutional congress has been called to make such changes legal. Who did that to us Cheryl? Was it the big bad democrats or your nice friendly republicans? Your claims are false, your reasoning is wrong, and your attitude is misplaced. It isn't my fault, but as a democrat you blame me. What political party actually (and illegally) changed the law to do those things you blame the democrats for? Oh yeah.... the republicans. Your insinuations mean nothing in the face of truth. That is my point. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I know what you are saying about firearm rights and other things simple aren't true. There can be only two choices here. Either you are part of the wicked effort to steal our freedom or you are fooled by the propaganda of your overlords. The reality is we are supposed to be a majority rule nation. The majority of citizens want gun control, but the constitution forbids infringing on the rights of a citizen to keep and bear arms. It has been Reagan, Ghw Bush, Nixon, and Eisenhower that did more to endanger that. You keep missing the point. I am a Viet Nam vet and I think that was a horrible abuse of humanity. The reason you were given your phone call etc is because the democratically elected governments of Kennedy etc kept your civil rights secure, not because of any republican effort. Remember when Nixon ordered national guard troops to fire on college students at Kent State? Do you remember the McCarthy era of Eisenhower? There is so much wrong with what you say yet you will never be convinced because your ability to reason has been stolen by these people through emotional tirade using fear to make you think your very way of life is threatened... and it is... from the people you mistakenly believe will protect it. Shalom Cheryl. I wish you no disrespect, but honestly... what point is there in trying to discuss this with you? Your mind is closed. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl all you do is repeat the rhetoric of those with evil design for us. I 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Anyway... the purpose of a will is to direct your assets to be used as you would have them be used so I believe the Judge did the right thing. If the kids loved non-Jewish sufficiently and were willing to accept them without conversion they would be willing to give up the money or inheritance. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rob I would agree with you about the law etc, but every person has their own free will. It is a gift from Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you serioulsy need to study about your heritage. If I fell in love with a non-Jewish woman I would not marry her unless she converted. The responsibility of being Jewish is more important in my opinion, but i can only speak for myself. I am the product of three or more generations of marriages to Christian men. I truly believe there is a very good reason to keep Jewish. It's probably just my mother's genes in me... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Maybe, Cheryl you like their "Strong Israel" speeches as they sign bill after bill giving the Arabs billions and billions of dollars in weapons, training, and ammunition. Perhaps its the fact that they are removing our rights and forcing legislation restricting our constitutionally guaranteed right to travel, or the expansion of police powers where warrants are not needed and unreasonable search and seizure is conducted to intimidate the citizenry... all fine republican acts. I could go on Cheryl but I honestly debating issues that have long been proven are pointless. I guess you have never been dragged out of your car and taken to jail without benefit of the phone call or representation on trumped up charges and had your entire life ruined because you don't go along with the "way things are".... but I have. I don't need to debate the immoral and abusive wickedness of the republican party, Cheryl... I know it first hand. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mark Anthony ok if thats your real name not theft of a Shakespearian charactor I apologize. Please though, keep your non-Jewish preaching to yourself or to sites that better suit it.... its a bit offensive... Most Jews only believe in ONE G-d...Ha-Shem...not the three you seem to insist on preaching about here.... again... no offense. Cheryl so you think the left has been hyjacked by leftists... I wonder if you really know what it means to be left or right winged..., but thats for later. The reality is it is the republican party that hyjacked the nation in two rigged elections and then raped the resources of the entire land for the private gain of a few of it's more influential leaders. It is the republican party that put us in a three front war solely for the purpose of profit at the expense of the blood of our children. It is the republican party that spends billions on propaganda intentionally lying to the American people to protect the grossly immoral pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, communication companies, agri-businesses etc etc etc. They are destroying every chance we the people have and you back them. What DOES that make you Cheryl? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 the republicans want to create chaos and confusion so they can again steal the govt away from the people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Please preach your religion in your own arena Mark Anthony... user of false names. This is a Jewish site. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 danny you are a liar... and a nutcase apparantly... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jan I have never said a word against G-d or Judaism. You are just making that up, unless of course you mean the republican party. If that's the case... you need to climb back on your ass and ride back where you came from. You have slandered me and I don't like it. May Ha-Shem reward you for your words. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thanks for your ignorant input though Jan. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jan... no actually I am 6' 221 pounds, a Viet Nam vet and very active in my community and politics. I am the director of one of the largest Homeless outreaches in North Texas and I have paid my dues. I stand up for those who can't stand up for themselves and I have to battle these greedy petty little despots called republicans every single day. They are dishonest criminally minded little jerks always trying to take from the weak and those unable to defend themselves... believe me if you stick up for them I will not stick up for you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly Disgusting why don't you just go away? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 With respect to Rep Cantor's parents.... Cantor is a lying self serving puppet of the Insurance PAC and his job is to use every tool he can to discredit President Obama. Cantor has been caught intentionally spreading falsehoods concerning the Health Insurance issue and about Obama's past. This man is a disgrace to Judaism and just this last weekend he attended and spoke at one of those Christian right wing hate monger convention. It is Cantor who doesn't appear to have much favor on Israel or Judaism and he's one of us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Before all you dudley do-rights start trying to politically correct me let me clarify... My dad was from a hard core Irish Catholic family. Even though he married my Jewish mother and loved her rather passionately, every now and again you could here him belittling Jewish culture, or Jewish people... It was just something that has been ingrained in the Irish ever since they adopted the Catholic faith. What was their motto??? the only good Jew is a dead one? Believe me I know what it's like to be a Jew in the midst of Irish Catholics. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Most Irish haven't met a Jew they didn't hate.... Remember that sweet lady who chaired the commission to formally hate Jews in Durbin? She was so nice they gave here the medal of freedom. Doesn't she work for the UN commission for Jew hating now? I hope people stop making excuses for these horrible animals that spread hatred and promote violence against us. I hope Ha-Shem clears the earth of these unsalvagable humans. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dror Mermelstein your post was the longest winded spewing of nonsense I've read in a long time... congratulations. Yes Joshua did as you stated under the direct order of Ha-Shem, but you probably don't believe that. Islam is a religious discipline designed by the early formers of that religion to create a huge mindless army willing to do the same thing Joshua did at the hand of G-d. The governing system of Islam is corrupt and cruel. The treatment of women and children in Islam is vicious and horribly abusive. The absolute power over the people the Islamic clerics hold over the citizenry is pre-medieval and exhibits a double standard that rivals the most wicked of despots. These people are out to destroy everyone else with whatever means they can use. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You can remove my words from the forum but that won't change the hearts and souls of these Islamics. Failure to recognize the reality of this will be your downfall. I can only tell you. If you honestly believe any Moslem who truly believes his faith doesn't want to see you dead, you are a fool. I realize it is wrong to call a man a fool, but if the shoe fits... There are moderates yes... those that embarce Islam as a social belonging instead of a all consuming faith, but try to understand there are no degrees of belief in Islam. You either follow it or you don't. If you don't you are an infidel and deserving of death at the hands of a true believer. That is just the way it is. Allowing them to procreate is a very serious mistake. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q you are wrong.... fatally wrong. The Koran states that as the goal of all believers. Your refusal to accept it is merely your inability to realize there really are people that evil. Hitler tried to kill every Jew in the world. The Moslems want to remove all non-moslems from the earth and unless they are stopped that is exactly what they will try to do. Whether you believe it now or not... it is the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh no not the porn theaters!!! Its a lot easier to find a porno house then a kosher restaurant ...at least in Dallas TX 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am not familiar with your book offering Cheryl. I believe you when you say that is what you want, but some of the stances you take and the people you support are totally against that. There is no instance where preventing thoughtful debate and legislating restrictions on speech and action has ever produced desirable results. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You can almost bet the only ones offended are the moslem cab drivers and you can be sure they won't remove their artifacts. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 As any poor person can attest I, like many have had to take many part time jobs to supplement my income in order to keep my rent paid and my family fed. I was a cab driver and I remember the sudden influx of Islam in to the cab business where I live. It was sudden and dramatic... almost overnight 95 percent of all cab drivers were Islamic and two of the three major registered cab suppliers were Islamic as well. They gave their people discounted rates, overlooked license problems and used the cab service to get undocumented workers in a job and to make them familiar with a major metropolitan area. These Islamics tried to bully those who weren't Islamic to get out of the business and were famous for cheating customers by misroutes, rigging the meters, putting smaller tires on the cars, pretending not to have change... etc. I've even had one very stupid moslem tell me he was going to cut my Jew eyes out. I was suspended but he went to the hospital. The Islamics are very intolerant of anything not Islamic and they do lie, cheat, steal, rape, and murder....these are facts Mr Weisbard. There are some very kind very honorable Islamics running taxi cab service but for the most part I would say they are a very dangerous problem. I do NOT want to cloud every Moslem with an air of disreputable character, but seriously it is the norm not the exception in my experience. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Weisbard be sure to tell that to the moslem a-hole trying to murder you family. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I apologize for that blanket statement... Of course there are Islamic individuals of honor and integrity. As a group, however, they are lying cheating mongrels of hatred. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Those unlicensed cabs are moslem cabs and they give kickbacks to the regulating authorities. The moslems are not a people of honor or truth, fairness, or integrity. They use whatever they can to force their way over that of others. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ya know what is really scary Cheryl? The leaders of the republican party are all neo nazi anti-Semites... each and every one of them... Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, etc etc etc There are even Jews themselves part of this great conspiriacy against us and humanity as a whole because they are more interested in money then humanity. Mit Romney, GW Bush, the list goes on... They say one thing in public yet their actions show their true intentions. They lull you by telling you what you want to hear yet their actions prove their intentions Cheryl. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl no one ... other then the puppets of the republican party... is completely one way or the other politically. Each of us have our own wants from our system. Yes the so called leftists do have some anti-Jew members and you hear more of it because the democratic party is a free party where people of all walks of life have an expression and can take part in the democratic process very much unlike the republicans who go to great lengths to stifle free expression and choice. I am a democrat simply because the republican party only represents the desires of that 1% of the population with all the money and power. The reason they have it is because they stacked the deck against the rest of us. Just ask the late Mr. Tucker or Mr. Marconi, or Mr Tessla. There are many examples where the honest work of hard working Americans was stolen and or thwarted by the rich corporate owners who used murder, lie, theft, and media persuasion to win their cheating battles.. I have a tendency to get violent towards individuals who talk to me personally about the glories of Nazism or try to tell me I am anti - Semitic. I really don't look like a Jew because my dad was from an Irish Catholic family and my mother's family were Sephardic refugees from Spain a few hundred years ago. They ended up, via England, as indentured servants in the New World. One could hardly call me a Jew hater or an advocate of anti Israeli rhetoric. I'm also not gay nor am I a believe in abortionists. According to Karl Rove and the republican party as a democrat I must be a gay baby killer who wants to give up to our enemies. I really can't believe you are that dumb Cheryl. The fact that the republican party is spending billions of dollars and lots of media time through paid pundits like Glenn Beck is the reason I call them unpatriotic, criminal, and treasonous. They aren't interested in truth or justice...only the continuation of their own wealth and power. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Blame that on your republican labeled "liberals". Cheryl did you know I am a strong conservative? I'm just not a fascist. I am dead set against these evil men of power who are trying to turn 98% of our population in to impoverished serfs and they themselves as lords of all. Why is this so hard for you to see? Cheryl read the US Constitution... The first thing it explains is the role of our government's responsibility to the people..... not themselves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The republicans gave away over 5 trillion dollars of our national wealth to their friends and business partners, most of which come from governments completely against our way of life. They even enacted special legislation to prevent us from recouping it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Cheryl the so called LIberals don't .... that is another lie put forward by the evil fascist usurpers of our Constitutional rights... the republican party. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am being sarcastic Mr Hopper... don't take any serious offense. It really doesn't matter what you say you are on your bio sheet. What matters is what you do and how you do it. Do a column A and a column B kind of examination of Mr. Beck's accomplishments and media opinions.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tim Hopper he was a catholic the first time he went in to rehab... I keep forgetting you Christians change clothes at the drop of a hat.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl you are too caught up in the self righteous cloak of confusion and can't see the forest for the trees. I still believe you are an honest person with a good heart and eventually you will see the truth. As far as being very passionate to thwart the efforts of these evil fascists trying to trick us into giving them our souls... yes I am. My family has fought the oppressive tactics of evil men since before this nation was founded. My mother (may she rest in peace) was a daughter of the American Revolution and members of my family, including me, have defended this nation in every war and conflict since the very first day. I know more about the people you praise then you would be willing to admit. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl, thank you for being so nice, but honestly... there is nothing conservative about the so-called conservatives. They tell us we have to be conservative while they squander and waste all of our wealth and resources. They legislate our freedoms away telling us they need to restrict our freedoms to protect us. They fill the airwaves with out right lies and melodramatic scenarios completely unfounded and false. They spend billions of dollars a year conditioning the weak minded to believe that those who profess freedom and individuality are somehow evil and dangerous all the while it is these so-called conservatives that murder us, take away our medical care, destroy our chances for a decent education, and censor what we are able to glean from the information that is presented. When someone finally rises to power by the will of the people, these angry hateful oppressors send paid for de-stabilizers in to the public forums to disrupt and call for violent protest of the person because of emotional falsehoods not of the issues. They spend millions a month on advertising campaigns wagging the dog with outright lies and vehement slander to prevent anyone from taking away their vise-like grip on our freedoms and economy. These are the most base of evil humans using the tried and true methods of behavioral conditioning to herd the general population in to utter economic slavery. You are very wrong to back these people and you will have to face Ha-Shem for it. There is absolutely no support for your position in Torah. I also respect your intelligent way of stating your positions on Israel and things Jewish, but you are so blind to what is going on most of your decisions are wrong. You are not alone. There is a fairly large group (not a majority by any stretch of the imagination) who also follow what you do and they allowed our presidency to be perverted by a bunch of appointed jurists owing their positions to GHW Bush and Ronald Reagan. You can tell these people by the things they produce and you have to work really hard at turning a blind eye to the horrible evil they put in the world. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Robert Brenner try getting some information from a source other then Fox news. If you could bring your paranoid brain in to accepting it you would find an entire world of real information and you wouldn't have to hide in the comfort of controlled dogma of the Republican hate mongers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl... any statistic from Fox News is suspect. Fox News is the leading promoter of sensationalist propaganda in the free world. I am sorry you are so confused and fooled. You won't be able to use that as an excuse. Gone are the days of honest reporting and just plain explaining the news in an unbiased way. Even PBS has fake news shows now, thanks to GW Bush's campaign to destroy all facets of independent reporting. It's all a matter of money now. You have some intelligent things to say Cheryl, but mostly you act like a monkey on a string. Always ready to dance at your master's bequest. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The only difference between Glenn Beck and Nancy Grace is Nancy doesn't try to hide her evil greed. Glenn Beck tows the party line and only slanders people his bosses tell him to. Nancy Grace slanders innocent teen age girls in to suicide and is proud of it. The media is a powerful tool and in the wrong hands it is devastating and deadly. Glenn Beck is one of those wrong hands. Nancy Grace is just an evil backstabbing horror of a human being deserving of prison for the things she has done. Beck needs to spend the next 10 years back in rehab. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I always boycott that drunken catholic closet Jew hater. Glenn Beck is an insane man... no doubt about it. Have you noticed all the vitriolic media merchants of hate and intolerance have moved to Fox with the exception of that nutcase that actually has many good points still on CNN? Cheryl this is what I am talking about. How can any rational person with even a 3rd grade education believe a word Glenn Beck says? He is not only a fool, but a damned fool. His poison words are against any and all things democratic. His rants are all hateful spewed against those who believe in freedom of choice, free government, and toleration. He contradicts himself usually within the same show. He is a homophobic racist using the pseudo legitimacy of the Bush repression to lend himself credibility. These people are evil Cheryl. They only hate and hoard for themselves turning their backs on the rest of humanity. Their lot is condemnation, Cheryl. Glenn Beck is no one to brag about. He is just a lying little creep. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Carter also had a hand in it Leland. This Aminajabjab or whatever his name is...is an unG-dly seeker of evil and chaos. He is an empty braggart and he needs to be squashed. May the day come soon. Now the little nazis that follow me around will come in and leave their comments... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bravo Gena well said. As far as Israel starving out the Palestinians look at a map you ignorant hate mongers. The Palestinians (which they actually aren't) are the suckers the Arabs are using to fight their psychological war with Israel by making damned fools feel sorry for them. It isn't the balloon's fault it popped, but the pin prick in its membrane. Israel is surrounded by sea and Arabs. Arab land surrounds over 70% of the little Israeli nation's borders. It is a bald faced lie to blame Israel for the plight of these Arabs. Blame the Arabs for not allowing Palestinian inclusion in to the economics of the surrounding Arab world. Burn in hell you nazi sympathizers and Islamic murderers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland... LBJ was a crooked politician who got to the senate through ballot stuffing and ended up being president because of complicity in the Republican conspiracy to murder Kennedy over his attempt to reign in the military industrial complex and bring an end to the Viet Nam war. The bay of pigs scenario was an attempt to remove Kennedy's effectiveness in congress and with the American people and when that horribly shameful republican act of treason against the sitting president failed... the killed him in Bush country. A place where the most hardcore of wicked republicans owned everything from the newspapers and tv to the police. The guilt LBJ felt over his becoming president in that manner is what destroyed him. He was a democrat of convenience. He was a republican in heart. His guilt did goad him in to the civil rights acts and those actions did our nation a lot of good and began to give many a fair chance who would not have had one otherwise. Our naivete as a nation would not allow us to believe what had actually transpired, but the evidence is there and the rigorous examination of the facts bares that out. The subsequent dog and pony show that ended up ringing in the Nixon Era that created the Liberty incident used behavioral science technique to sway public opinion from being honest kind and tolerant to mean murderous elitists who thought it was ok to kill millions of Asians, invade small nations and rob them of their natural resources, and prop up wicked fierce totalitarian dictatorships in central and south American to further the goals of a handful of corporate leaders who took over the country in a coup. The high horse you are riding on is a sickly beast of lies, death, and destruction. It doesn't fit well at all with your honorable nature. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland your cursive statement has offended me very much. I can't believe you are so upset over this incident that occurred so long ago. Yes it was a tragic incident and there are many accusatory individuals, but have you actually read the reports? Secondly I have to point out to you that there was absolutely no advantage for Israel to create such an incident with its most powerful and staunch ally. It simply would not make sense. The logs and mission statement from the USS Liberty and attending attack submarine were there specifically to take out Israeli missle batteries etc to prevent and open attack in to Egypt that the US State Dept claimed would incite world war three with the Russians. It is a matter of fact that the USS Liberty was spying on Israeli military intelligence during a time of armed defense of the nation. I have to say Leland, being a moderately experienced combat soldier of the United States Military (ret) there is plenty of evidence to support the Israeli position that it was an error both in identification and judgment. If you can provide a picture of the attack showing the flag flying I would be happy to accept that. I would also accept that the Liberty was not acting in a hostile manner towards Israel in a time of war except for the FACT that it's purpose was to attack Israeli defensive positions if it was felt that they were going to be directed against Egypt proper. That entailed some serious invasive technique concerning communications. Leland... furthermore your claim of communication obscurity when it comes to eavesdropping is not entirely accurate and I do have direct knowledge of that. Please take some personal time and talk to Ha-Shem about your foul vain expression. You are far too good a person to shame yourself like that. Leland your republican brainwashing has blinded you to the full picture...in my opinion. I offer these words with respect Leland. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am saddened to see this person of horrible ideology and inhumane direction lauded as a good and decent person. This person was an elitist who not only followed the fascist directive, but strengthened and honed it in to the hateful oppressive rhetoric used by the most evil of political operatives in the world. His desire was to set him and his friends out as superior rulers of humanity and force the general populations of the earth to slave in economic poverty and deplorable living conditions so that his circle of associates could live in utter splendor. I find no excuse for a wicked person like this...none at all. It was this awful person's mantra that Cheney, Bush, Rove, and the rest of those horrible men used to destroy the entire economic base of the United States and the world in 8 short years. This person should receive no honor among men. This person should be quietly buried and Ha-Shem should deal with him. We should forget not only the philosophy he espoused and the human destruction it caused, but the man himself as well. He is no longer our concern. The sad part is... the poverty, hunger, and misery his ideology caused is still with us and will be for many years to come. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I agree but I disagree with any Jewish person taking the banner of the republican party as his or her own. Shame on each and every one of them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Freedom in the same sentence as GW Bush is a terrible travesty of truth. Ya want another name for neoconservatives? NAZIS 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly Disgusting coming from you I take that as a compliment. I just re-read the Naval Investigation report and the Israeli pilot report. Having some experience in US warfare tactics of that era... I have to say I would like to agree with everyone except the one detractor who wasn't there and the attack on the Liberty was a friendly fire situation. Although it was gathering intelligence and assisting the Egyptians. I am trying to recollect where my earlier statements came from. I wonder if I'm not just getting senile. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Maybe I'm letting my history run together like runny eggs. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I just realized I got the Liberty mixed up with another incident... excuse me. I think I remember the liberty now. Maybe I don't... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Eui Wei Chop Suey or whatever... you are nothing at all but a fascist bigot. You really should go where you are appreciated... Your blanket hatred against everything not republican approved makes you unfit to venture any effective opinion and your attack against those of us who don't approve of your abusive tendency to try and force your warped sense of morality on everyone is shameful at best. I remember Vance Mr. Goldbarg, but I also remember the positions Carter held then and the hatred he spews now. brzezinski is nazi by word, by action, and by philosophy whether or not he would have passed Heinrich's ethnicity test. Reagan was another in the same vein as GHW Bush and his son GW Bush who talked up big about Israel but behind the scenes he was doing much to undo it. The Reagonites and the Nixonites are the reason we are in the fix we are now in. They are the ones who gave the Arabs their power through the proliferation of arms and ammunition as well as financing them with the large scale oil profiteering. Jimmy Carter actually tried to stop it but was destroyed by the republican party for his efforts... at least they didn't murder him like they did Kennedy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Norman... Brzezinski gave advice to GW Bush?? I wasn't aware of that. John Q Public you are factually incorrect sir. Perhaps you are too young to remember the Carter presidency. In most areas Mr. Carter did a pretty good job considering the state of affairs left him by Mr Nixon's wage and price freeze and the economic fallout from the end of the Viet Nam war. The truth is Mr. Disgusting that the Liberty was spying on Israel because of its advanced missile guidance technology and the fact that Israel was in serious danger from a few surrounding criminal Arab states. The fear was Israel would use it's superior systems to deliver some of its nuclear weaponry which the United States under Jimmy Carter was telling the world about. I was one of those mistaken people who believed Mr. Carter and his nazi buddies were friendly with Israel because of his being a Christian minister. As it turned out he and his followers/ appointees were anti Jew like Mel Gibson is and many others are. It's a good thing Ha-Shem is on our side though... with all these dogs of war against us we would be in some real trouble if He weren't. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In case anyone is interested... this guys facts are way out of kilter and intentionally skewed to benefit the Republican smear campaign of lies and accusation against Obama. There are some half truths but mostly it is a long winded twist of factual data to make one believe something that isn't true... what did he call it? Dissimulation... It may turn out that Obama is a closet sympathizer of Islam and anti American policy, but that's no worse then the republican party and what it is trying to do. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland that was a completely unrelated rant. Sure there are pockets of weirdos everywhere in every place but some places on earth protect and encourage them like Saudi Arabia and Arab Emirates. The statement was made several times in several blogs on JTA that the faith of Islam was started by a pedaphile etc and no one was calling anyone in here one or anything of the sort. I don't (hopefully) know any pedaphiles and I hope I never have to meet one. I suppose Thoroughly disgusting thinks its wrong to kill them too. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol... patience not patients.... heh. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl so you jumped on to the Nixon/Bush bandwagon eh? Those are the stallworth members of the American Nazi push. Those are the evil men who stuffed our government with their compadres. They are the ones initially responsible for the problems we face today. With the obvious exception of Jimmy Carter, democrats have always been more receptive to the needs of Israel and Jews in general as well as other demographics. It is the democrats who brought us civil rights in the 60's. It was the republicans that fought this at every turn and did everything they could to turn Christianity into the fascist organization of elitist prosperity nutcase institution it is now. Please... it isn't any of our fault you were sucked in to some brainwash scheme because of your own disillusion. In the grand scheme of things it is always better to make mistakes as a free people then to be rigidly defined by an oppressive elite that thinks itself capable of enforcing morality on you. Now for you Mr Disgusting.... I have no patients for those with murderous intent... like you. I would gladly engage in a campaign to rid the world of people like you and bitin dawg and david r evens and the rest of your neo nazi ilk. You constantly attack us, badger us, belittle us, call us what you actually are. Yes, I would love to rid the planet of you jerks... but again self control and respect for law keeps no good murderous lying a-holes like you safe to do your vile deeds. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is not even the tip of the iceberg. Every mosque in every city has terrorist cells operating...gathering information, infiltrating communities, with members working in everything from the tech industry to the local bars. If it's a moslem pick them up, kick them out of the country. Oh but that won't happen so our chance of winning this battle is microscopic. Remember it is the stated purpose of EVERY SINGLE MOSLEM ON THE PLANET to engage in ultimate jihad against every single non-moslem that lives. This is a fact... the plain and simple truth stated in their own religious book, recited at every mosque, repeated every single day and embraced by every single one of them. Not all Arabs or Persians are moslem, but all moslems want us dead...period. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 He even admits it is a right of Israel he wants to deny. Carter's entire staff is anti Jew apparently. This group of Nazis who call themselves Christians are a serious threat to Judaism. I hope Obama doesn't entertain this idea for even a second. I hope Obama helps Israel turn Iran in to dust. I hope all of these detractors and liars trying to undermine Israel die a horrible death ....very very soon so that the whole world can see what the consequence is for standing against the will of Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And another famous nazi speaks. Zbig should be dropped in to the sea from 5 miles up. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bitin Dawg how insulting you bring this tripe to a Jewish news site. You have no shame do you? Cheryl you are mistaken. All of Islam is dedicated to the ultimate jihad. That is the eradication of any and all non-moslem from the face of this earth. It is their stated goal, their daily mantra, and their true purpose. To say different is a lie. They don't deserve the kindness of doubt. They have made their position very very clear. Don't be fooled. A pirate in irons is full of guile and the blackest heart wears the broadest smile. All of these moslems will perish in the wrath of G-d. Every last one of them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 FYI Leland... my organization is NOT a 501(c)(3) corporation. We are an honest ministry that does not take money nor do we solicit funding period. We tell people to give to the temple or church where they go and earmark their donation towards homeless efforts. It is the groups that volunteer from these temples and churches that fund their own efforts themselves... out of their own pockets. Our entire staff is pro bono. None of us get paid for what we do. I have had people attempt fundraising efforts on our behalf and I had to fire them. I don't tolerate even the slightest of improper behavior from my staff and the various volunteer groups take care of themselves. I agree I am a lot more ...passionate... then you in many of these issues, but none more strongly then the onslaught of the republican party against anything it doesn't control. I actually have no ill feelings towards any of the regular posters in here with the qualified exception of these horrible neo nazi plants that do nothing but disrupt our discussions. I hate... and I mean really hate... nazis. It really isn't a matter of hate concerning Islamics, but lets be honest here...their sole purpose is to rid the world of anyone not moslem and that is an evil that must be destroyed. G-d will not allow that to happen as we will soon see. I respect you and your opinions and the opinions of others I disagree with. I am very glad to see so many different viewpoints presented. Thanks for putting up with me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol good point Leland... good point. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 He is referring to Mohammad. I personally don't know if that is true or not, but I do know that sexual perversions including abuse of children is an acceptable practice among the so called ruling class of Arabs. I don't know if it is a moslem thing though. Even I know a few moslems and they are clearly NOT pedophiles. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Go to hell David R Evans you Jew hating palestinian piece of refuse... Jon Dellinger is a poorly spelled take on the infamous gangster John Dillinger. It is probably Mussa or another one of those idiots. Speaking of idiots... does anyone remember what existential means... as in existential philosophy? It means a realm above the physical reality in which we live... Perhaps it was a mistake in use, but I rather take it as an explanation that Iran is a real and honest threat, not an imagined one. The reason the United States spends trillions on defense is because a nuclear weapon doesn't care about strength or moral purpose. It just destroys and spreads lingering death over thousands of miles and takes years to fade away. I would love to detonate a few in the great Islamic stronghold to prove my point... And Shana Tova to you Mr Weisbard whether you have good will or not. Whether any of you will accept it or not it is the stated purpose of all followers of Islam to wage ultimate Jihad against all who don't follow Islam. They only make alliances and friendships of convenience until they have no further use for you. Their goal is to murder all of us...plain and simple. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And here are the enemies of our people condemning any attempt at peaceful dialogue. While I don't hold much hope for any positive outcome from this meeting, at least I am willing to wait and see. These Jew haters Bitin Dawg and Thoroughly Disgusting are trying to ruin any discussion before it begins. These two cowardly dogs of hate and bigotry post in here specifically to get us pissed off and I get pretty pissed at them both. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is a plot by the Arab leadership and other enemies of Judaism to desensitize the average Islamic moron into thinking of Jews as less then human for the purpose of war. Wake up people. These propaganda tactics have been used for centuries to prepare the common citizenry for combat against an enemy. It is high time we took action to defend ourselves regardless of what "world opinion" thinks or says. When it comes to lying, cheating, or inciting common idiots in to radical actions there is nothing like Islam ...or the US Republican party. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The issue is this Herenton is saying that the duly elected representative is a racist and hates his own constituents. That must be why he won by over 60 points. This is the current tactic of the Republican party. That with all the other underhanded nazi like tactics employed by this most heinous of American political parties is why I am so vehemently against them. They like to start fights, sit back and watch, and then arrest the survivors. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol Mr. Katz 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 So... Leland, do you think I care what Republican Jews think about what I say????? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Iran, North Korea, China, Hezbollah, Hamas, Syria, Libya and the rest would have no power if not for the machinations of the United States republican party since the end of the second world war. Their attempts at world domination for the purpose of profit believing the end justifies the means is the cause for our ills today. Their forceful oppression against everyone who opposes them with no regard for law or truth has brought us to the very brink of destruction of our way of life and all they do is scream for more. What is it that keeps people oblivious to this serious threat to everyone... especially Jews? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There are those, like Cheryl and others who are merely dazzled by the false brightness of the republican party's claim of moral uprightness and chivalry. The reality is far from their claims. Then there are those like Mr. Lambert and others who seem to get some sort of thrill from feeling superior with their desire to hold power over people. Mostly though.... the republican party is filled with greedy immoral people who worship money and power in a cathedral of steel and glass built with the blood and heartache of the common man. They are bringing the world to the brink of horrible war again, but this time Ha-Shem will be with us and they will be utterly destroyed.... all of them. Yeah I know that sounds really melodramatic and almost nut farm crazy but... hide and watch. The world is filled with the poverty and misery caused by these never satisfied monsters of humanity. The democratic process is the only options we have other then open conflict which I oppose strongly. As our democratic process fails due to the corruption of these wicked republicans things will get quickly out of control and things will happen not because any of us caused it Leland, but because there are no other choices left. When I was a child I thought myself blessed to be living in this day and age, but now... I see it as the most horrible time mankind has ever faced... upcoming a lot faster then any of us want. That is why I shout follow Torah. That is why I beg... embrace Judaism. That is why I scream... be faithful and true. As loony toons as I sound Leland I am sounding the alarm and I am not alone. I 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What part of that is particularly Jewish Leland? Please forgive my errors in both sentence construction and spelling. I rushed through it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I don't care what any Republican says. His or Her political philosophy is contrary to the ways of Ha-Shem and everything I have been taught. The Republican party is what it is and no amount of trick or lie will change it. It is fundamentally bad. It started out of the anger felt by a particular section of our society when their bought and paid for election fell through and Andrew Jackson (who would have made a great republican) was elected. A Jew who feels themselves a republican is a tragedy but not my concern. I try to concentrate on things I can do something. I don't really feel there is any hope for them. I don't suffer fools well. The Republican party of the United States is the closest thing to National Socialist I have seen to date... other then the original. These people are working hard to create chaos and confusion in our civil and political process. Right now the republican party is fostering racist propaganda and initiating infiltration of town hall meetings of paid disrupters to prevent any rational discussion of issues. it is spending millions putting out commercials and newspaper ads lying about points in health care plans etc. What part of this would you consider honorable, just, or in congruence with G-d's plan for us Leland? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If this man is truly guilty of embezzlement may he get the punishment he deserves. Since most of the commenting individuals in here won't actually check out the real story I hope, as Leland says, he isn't convicted before he gets his day in court. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 2btrue please take the time and visit a site like Jewfaq.org or another site... perhaps askmoses.com and learn why we mention Ha-Shem in terms like G-d or the L-d. Please try to understand the protocol of our discussions. The proper form of discussion goes a long way in being received properly. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey thoroughly disgusting.... you must be confused. This isn't one of your Arab propaganda blogs. You must have turned right when you meant to go wrong. You can leave now. Leland there is a lot of concern from Republican jurists that Jews will escape their wrath and flee to Israel yes. I am glad Alan Weisbard had the good sense to set you straight Leland. Yer kinda getting cantankerous in yer old age... It is my opinion (just an opinion) that Rubushkin is nothing more then a human trafficker. He produced his meats using non-Kosher workers in a way I would say is decidedly not Kashrut. I can imagine his cheap labor costs were not reflected in the cost of his product and he should be punished if found guilty. I too support conservative Judaism and its efforts to make a stab at ridding the Jewish world of its mafia like strain on Kosher products. This is reform way past time. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you arab infiltrator... you need to shut up and go away. Kicked off under yet another name eh? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David are you so illiterate and ignorant that you fail to see the analogy of Cheryl's words? Analogy may not be the proper word, but its all I can think of now... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I completely agree with blackie... These no good stinking nazis need to be removed with great speed from the JTA forums and blogs and as they are discovered they should be reported to JTA and the United States Hate Crimes commission and any other appropriate organization to make us all better informed who are real enemies are. I would like to go into the streets with clubs etc and beat these ($^&(^@$%) people to death, but.... thank G-d for self control. There is a point where freedom of expression is overrun and these people have met it and crossed it long ago. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bitin Dawg what are you doing exhorting a Jewish greeting for the new year? Don't you have some Nazi crap of your own to spew? Burn in hell you Jew hating bigot. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bitin Dawg you are intentionally lying to support a false foundation forwarded by Arab terrorists. You know nothing about Cast Lead or the toleration of Israel that put up with over 8 yrs of terrorist and rocket attacks against it that murdered women, children, and young men in senseless acts of hatred. You talk like you are some sort of authoritative channel of truth, but you're nothing but a lying scoundrel of disreputable stature. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 same to you thoroughly disgusting 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jason H you clearly back anti-Jewish sentiments and as such are not a person I would consider worthy of breath. Why you ask? I am a Jew. I have never taken an offensive position towards anyone but I am constantly having to hold a defensive one because of useless jerks like you who take one sided positions against us regardless of the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shana Tova everyone and please... remember what brought us to this day... the tribulations, the oppression and slaughter of our brethren yesterday and now. Please take in to consideration that there is nothing more noble in this Universe then upholding Ha-Shem's requirements of us... no matter the opposition. We have a great fight ahead and only G-d can see us through. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I hope I have been clear enough for even the most pig headed to understand. The loneliness of truth will always stand against your army of deceit. You can't say you weren't told. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Even if it turns out Obama is nothing but a screw up (hard to imagine compared with the most incompetent president ever in our history... GW Bush), it is still no excuse for backing the most evil scheme against humanity and freedom of choice ever. The Republican party is opposed to anything that returns the power of our government back to the people in an honest representative form. It wants to continue the deceitful practice of corporate pacs that bribe crooked legislators (republicans at a 10 to one or better ratio) where the people of this great nation have NO say in its government at all. All of you of Jewish heritage and faith who back these immoral oppressors are traitors to your people and your G-d. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Golan if you choose to put forward the lying rhetoric and insinuation of the most right wing fascist party since Adolf Hitler that is your choice, but you will find no sympathy or mercy from me. As the day of atonement approaches I suggest you reflect on your principles (if you have any) and why you hold the ones you do. What I love is honesty, toleration of others, a fair playing field in business and law, and most importantly, Ha-Shem's gift to us... Torah. I do not subscribe to your speeches of hate or your twists of words. I do not care for your bigotry or your dishonesty as a supporter of that evil group of usurpers... the Unites States Republican party. I will not feel one bit of remorse when you and your cohorts face the condemnation from Ha-Shem you so rightly deserve. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl what planet are you on and who is this "we"? A large portion of both blacks and hispanics are very very racist. Also, the Republican party is intentionally fostering racial outburst and chaos. While Boehner publicly says his party is disgusted by the growing racial tensions against Obama and others... including Jews...his party is not only instigating such but paying its third party groups to create racial tension and argument. The Republican party knows if it can get the groups fighting amongst themselves it can steal another election and that is exactly what it is trying to do. You're one of them aren't you? This shouldn't be a surprise to you at all. It was the tactic that nasty woman from Alaska brought with her. While inciting a political rally to riot is a federal crime.... she got away with it every time. Have you peen paying attention? Believe it or not concerning Israel and Jews you and I usually agree completely so please don't think I am merely attacking you or trying to insult you. I'm not. I am just surprised you find this development so ...surprising. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey bitin dawg got any new swastika tattoos yet? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The British government is sucking all the refuse it can find out of the Islamic countries anal orifaces. It has long (after all it set this whole process of Palestinian occupation on Jewish land up in the first place) been a supporter of anti-Semitism. Most of the nobles in England were Nazi sympathizers in the 1930's and if Hitler hadn't attacked England they would have been allies of the Nazis. England has been a corrupt self righteous state of elitist abuse against the common citizenry for hundreds of years and their support of Arab States is more out of spite for Israel then any thing else. Let England sink in to the sea. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 OK lets all go out tonight and find an englishman and beat the crap out of him then chain him up for trying to defend himself. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The UN is run by a bunch of meglomaniacal Islam extremists 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bravo Cheryl on your astute and well said post. Ari H how dare you defend this blatant attack against one of the most humane armies in the world. On this the eve of our new year I suggest some reflection on your part. If I was in charge of the Israeli army I would have long ago ended this Palestinian occupation of Jewish land. I would not tolerate grumblers and traitors in our midst and I would make damn sure that everyone who contemplated action against the Jewish state would think long and hard about it. My anger burns strong against these wicked people. Ari H don't you be one of them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If Goldstone was really interested in serving justice all the Palestinians would be chased out of Israel once and for all. This matter of the west bank and Gaza being the largest outdoor prisons in the world is a load of crap. All Israel does is keep them out of israel. It is the Arab world that keeps them in those wretched camps specifically for the effect it has on world opinion. I say to hell with you Arab sympathizers, neo-nazis, and moslem extremists. You twist the truth to mean some perverse anti truth and you pursue your wicked agenda in the face of innocent people. May Ha-Shem give you what you truly deserve. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ahh Mussa you raise you ugly head under a different name again. I tend to agree with Cheryl on this. I fear the Palestinians will only use this easement to solidify their efforts to wage war with Israel. If attacks to come I feel Israel should move in completely and eradicate every Palestinian presence. I am weary from all of this. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That is wonderful to hear. It just goes to show us how even one soul can have a profound effect on the rest of us. Surely she was blessed. It makes my puny contribution seem insignificant... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl... I hope you know I mean you no insult or any detrimental thought at all. I admire your character. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I apologize for the many incomplete thoughts and grammatical errors of my long winded above posting. I hope the gist of it is understood... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh yes... I do agree that Jane Fonda is a no-account worthless immoral whore who sells herself and her persona to the highest bidder. I think she is an abusive person and if she lost her publicity her words would be of no matter at all. She has a lot to answer for, but it is completely wrong to shoulder the entire legitimacy questions of opposing views on her. She is not even worth the time it took me to write this little note. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Rugg... let me clarify. First off thank you for your kind words, but I don't need to be thanked for doing what I though I should...especially since after I arrived I learned just how little good we were actually doing and witnessing the great harm to our souls we were doing. That notwithstanding, Cheryl receives no animosity from me. I make my statements based on more then just one post. I do not agree with most of Cheryl's republican rhetoric because I know it is merely an emotionally charged line of crap she bought hook line and sinker. She is a person of character though and believes in what she says. I don't find argument with that. I do feel she is merely touting the words of others in her diatribe in this particular blog rather then speaking from any experience of her own. I don't feel I could ever make her or anyone else who backs the republican evil perpetrated as conservative and moral value which it is neither, but I can state that which I know about. The two Vietnams were having an internal struggle because the South Vietnamese government was a vicious murderous regime (much like the north) and the people were being treated as hated illegals in their own homes. Street assasinations by police were a daily commonplace happening and utter abject poverty was the way of life for the people while the governing body lived in absolute luxury. The Northern government saw the unhappiness of the general population as a way to infiltrate and destroy the South Vietnamese government and reunite the nation. We bought the mineral rights from France and tried to find a way to insert our presence so that our republican regime at the time (Eisenhower) could exploit them like we were exploiting Iraq, Iran, etc etc etc. Our corporations have made it a habit to use our government's power to steal the natural resources from third world countries to market them here. While this kept our prices relatively low and spurred a lot of growth it also made this handful of wicket corporate leaders very very wealthy and powerful. They grew to the point that they were the government no matter who we elected and things just got worse. Our involvement in Vietnam was strictly to make money for the military industrial complex and to rape the land of its natural resources. A lot of people died Americans and Vietnamese so that a handful of amoral republican corporate fascists could thrive in utter splendor and wealth. There is no defense for that engagement nor is there one for Iraq. There is no excuse for the use of our innocent blood so that greedy usurpers of life and liberty of the poor can become so rich and powerful that our very lives mean absolutely nothing to them. Jews especially should be galled in to complete shame for even considering backing these evil remnants of Hitler's grand scheme of total control and that is all this is. Yeah they may not speak German and give an extended salute to a black swastika on a red field but they, by their political philosophy of acquisition and exploitation are just the same. It is her repeated expression of their party line, Mr. Rugg, that I vehemently oppose, not her. This tendency to fondly remember with glory and romantic adventurism, the evil that was the Vietnam war is obscene and offensive. If we don't learn the lessons of history we will be doomed to repeat them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Perlman honestly most of my friends and associates have long let the Vietnam era fade away. There is that 2% that wants to hang on to assumed glory and animosity towards a people that had nothing against us at all until we invaded their country and obliterated it, leaving it a scarred junkpile of abandoned military wrecks and the dead scattered throughout. I was a young impressionable volunteer. I was what they called dumb as a rock. I volunteered. No one wanted to be there and most who stayed long ended up crazy or addicted to the cheap drugs our friends back at the bases and supply camps would sell us. Viet Nam was a horror for everyone especially for the tens of millions of people who lost their loved ones because of it. There was no real purpose for it other then to feed the military industrial complex and provide American corporations with much desired raw resources. It was a horrible shame on us all, but the men and women I shared my time with were valiant honest people truly trying to do the right thing in a wrong situation. I was against the war too as well as was everyone I knew. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well as a Vietnam veteran Bill Perlman... and knowing a few of them as well... I have to agree with you on one thing. Natalie Portman is seriously good looking. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shana Tova though Cheryl... no bad blood... just a little indignation. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl your representation of Viet Nam is vulgar. You know nothing of that. We spent 20 years destroying that land for the sake of Minnesota Mining and Manufacturing for its Nickel ore and its Tungsten. We used veiled excuses of keeping back communism when in reality... just like Iraq it was a way for uber wealthy defense industrialists to keep churning out product at obscenely inflated costs to the American Taxpayer. It was the same people involved in it too... Cheney, the Bush family, etc etc etc... do a little real research. We sacrificed 53,000 plus of our own for the good of Dupont, TRW, LTV and many many more. We made billionaires out of greedy immoral people who tossed lives in the dumpster for the sake of profits and we put our nation in a dire economic condition....just like Iraq. I am a Viet Nam vet. I saw the misery...day after day. I remember the greed and the senseless killing. The South Vietnamese government was one of the most vicious dictatorships I have ever witnessed and we were good friends with it because our leaders were making money off of it hand over fist. WE created the North Vietnamese victory. We created crazed fanatics like Jane Fonda (yes she's a toad). We did this to ourselves as a nation, because our leaders were... and still are... only thinking of themselves. their wealth, and power. You should not open this can of worms... you won't like the taste. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl what is with the miles of print you are putting out? Can't you cut back on it a bit? Are you writing a book or something? Everyone knows about Fonda, Glover, and Belafonte. I haven'[t heard of this other guy, but I will check him out. GW Bush isn't the devil... we all know that... he just works for him. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What I got from this article is its "much ado about nothing"... Poverty and hunger is a blight across this land and it is only getting worse. Obscenely huge amounts of money are going to large greedy corporations that treat their employees like slaves and squander trillions of our dollars on the leadership's wanton ways. The cost of living continues to climb even faster then the rate of unemployment and those lucky enough to still have job are losing benefits and pay. This nation (USA) is headed for rebellion because of the uncaring greed of its government leaders and the unabridged wantonness of it's corporate heads. It won't be any one thing that brings it about, but the desperation of many. This is a direct result of Reagonomics. This is a direct result of greed. This is a direct result of amoral wallowing in a godless realm of selfism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Clinton is merely trying to look and sound important while she assists in stalling any fruitful headway against the real and immediate threat of Iran to all of the free world. She has no business in the job she's in. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Instead of always trying to find some other tit to sup why not try to clean up the one you've got? Oh yeah I keep forgetting... you destroyed your own because of your egotistic stupidity and refusal to listen. Still it's regrettable that lives were lost. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Blocking these sites from Arabs is a good thing. We need to hear a lot less from them anyway. The only thing they spew is hate and lie. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 As much as I love the long winded speeches either in print or verbal I have to disagree with your final conclusion. Peace will only come for Judaism when the evil that spawns this hatred is destroyed. Arabs have long and easily sacrificed their children, brothers, sisters, whatever for their own greedy end. In the farming biz you know the only thing you can do about an egg sucking dog is to put it down. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It does my heart good to hear of Russian Jews wanting to be observant. It really does. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I do tend to agree with what Aharonovich is saying though... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Is the reason Israel is turning more like a Russian style police state because of the large influx of Russian Jews into the government? Aren't there plenty of other Jews around who know of other ways besides heavy handed police tactics? Over the last few months I have seen enough reports to question the direction Israel as a civil society is headed. Over here in the United States most of the Russian Jews I know have little or no loyalty to Judaism and only use their ethnic Jewish background to band together. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa why haven't you locked yourself in your bomb shelter yet? Why don't you go do that now... and leave us alone. Cheryl like GW Bush and Cheney said.... to be ever vigilant we need to remove certain guarantees of the Constitution in order to keep the population safe... That's a load of crap. These people are sworn enemies of us and our way of life. Round t;hem up and throw them out. Seize their assets and send them packing! We need to go through some hard actions to preserve our freedoms not remove them in order to protect them... Identify the enemy and rid yourself of them. I have seen the enemy and it is Islam. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The NY Times is a decidedly Republican mouth piece so of course it is anti-Semitic in it's stance. These are the people that smile broadly and invite you in to "take a shower". 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Maybe Bitin Dawg but I have it very straight in my mind where you stand. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Neil that would only be the appearance of devoutness... In the United States it isn't yet a crime to observe Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you are infected with blind hatred. You need to be isolated so you don't infect anyone else. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland those that truly find teshuvah will keep their faith. Those that use it for the comfort while inside may lose it but honestly how can you deny anyone his relationship with G-d? Is it up to us to determine its genuineness? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I know this is a bit odd, but is there something we can do for the starving Palestinians too? They may be enemies, but they are human beings and their children don't really deserve to suffer either. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 All I can say is thank you. Thank you very much IFC. There are many who will be blessed because of your kindness. Thank you very much. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Evans, Hicks, Ehrens, etc invents his own history Hannah. He has no historical support for the things he says so he makes it up as he goes along. He rant and raves about a people who were routed out of the area with the jawbone of an ass a very long time ago from a land they themselves stole by murdering the inhabitants. I, of course, am talking about the Philistines who later became known as the Palestinians by ignorant Romans and Greeks. There entire history is made up of behavior just like David R Evans and the rest of his Islamic horde. They believe some fairy tale told by some bitter forefather about them being cheated out of their posterity, but the fact is it was their treachery and thievery that put them in the position they're in. Instead of learning from the mistake and improving their lives they live in the hate and anger that burns in them because that is the sum of their existence. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yaakov that is exactly how the Arabs will see it. Well it's more then just Arabs...I guess I should say Islamic extremists which includes most Arabs and only some Persians, and even less Pakistani and Afghanis. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Evans we all know where your loyalty lies.... somewhere between your self invented historical record and your hate for Jews. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There are some good honest students at Yale who are naive to the way "things are supposed to be" according to Yale tradition, but it is a good school for a moslem to go to where preaching anti-semitic hatred is not discouraged. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I can name quite a few Bradley Smith. Lambert you just hate... what good are you? Ari H in case you aren't aware Yale is a school for rich kids of basically elitist viewpoints generally without the intelligence to make it in a school not controlled by their parents. Take GW Bush for example....one of their fine graduates. There are many examples. Yale's out of the classroom education is primarily one of fascist leaning where these little rich brats are supposedly trained to run roughshod over the rest of us. Please don't compare Yale to reputable institutions of higher learning. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Afish are you joking or are you another neo-nazi trying to disrupt this site? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ehrens please go back to berating us in your moslem blogs and leave us alone. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 C Sarah I have not heard anything about a pregnant woman in the United States dying of swine flu. I know there have been more then a few hundred swine flu deaths in the United States. I would think something like that would have at least hit fox news or some other sensationalist rag. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H no they haven't. They have outlawed open displays of neo-Nazi behavior, but their obvious siding with anti- Israeli groups has been evident for a long time. Do not trust the Germans. There will always be independent people who are opposed to hate from whatever corner it comes from, but as a political group the Germans are not to be trusted where the security and safety of Israel is concerned. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Evans what do you, a lying murderous palestinian piece of crap know about G-d, honor, or truth? You have no truth in you because you are just a lying scoundrel. If you knew G-d you would be begging Him for forgiveness and guidance for your behavior. You dirty the good name of any person you speak of. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 On condition of anonymity or whatever... You are a lying nazi dog. Your buddies are the ones who claimed master race and they spent years murdering innocent peaceful people and they were utterly destroyed as a result of their wickedness and the day is coming soon when you too will face your fate you shameless lying hateful excrement of a person. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The reason Iran's comment about letting others run their nuke program didn't hit the news is cuz its a lie you stinking terrorist a-hole. Why are you posting in this Jewish News site you illegitimate son of a donkey? Iran needs to be obliterated along with everyone like you. Iran is run by a power hungry group of pathological liars who must not realize most people in the world are somewhat educated and already know Islamic truth is nothing but a lie and a sham. We have Ehrens, Evans, You, Anonymous and many other Nazi pieces of crap in here spouting lies to people that already know better. You would be better off putting up posters in trailer parks where you may find someone stupid enough to believe you. Your anti-Jew rhetoric brings condemnation on you and swift may the day come. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rush LImbaugh is a no good stinking Nazi like most of his brethren in the Republican Party. There is NO excuse for any Jew to support either in any way at all. Those that do should be chased out of their temples and told never to return....traitors all. To that Jewish Texan lady all I can tell you is you are utterly wrong and voicing against Ha-Shem. It is yours to say and yours to do but please don't try to pass yourself off as an observant Jew. You people in here who've vented all your fascist trash and racist garbage can go straight to hell. Rush Limbaugh is an evil plain and simple. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 By the way Bitin Dawg the Iraq war is an illegal use of our sons and daughters blood to steal the natural resources of Iraq and to gain a staging arena for the private business concerns of GW Bush, Dick Cheney, etc etc etc. It has NOTHING to do with Israel except for the problems Israel faces as a result. The Iraq war is almost a traitorous act as defined by the United States Constitution. It is at least a horrible inhuman treatment the citizens of the United States by rich, powerful, and greedy corporations run by the evil men who ran our country by decree instead of fair election for the last 8 years. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bitin Dawg, as far as I know a human being who is either born of a Jewish mother who's ancestry was present at Sinai with Moses and someone who has accepted the faith by choice according to Orthodox rules (a Ger) are Jews. Those who do not fit those categories but claim to be Jewish, regardless of intention, are not. That is the reason for Orthodox control over Jewish conversion. Presently if I remember correctly, there are large groups of people claiming to be Jewish through several sources unconfirmed and they don't follow the ways of the faith. I think those are who that writing talks about. I believe in the 13 principles of Judaism. I don't know what you believe Bitin Dawg, but I do know Ha-Shem's promises are real and those who've chosen to turn against Him are doomed. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Katz I assure you it is psychological in nature. It is intended to put you on the guilty defensive whenever you see such personnel. They will soon expand these "white shirts" to other areas like government buildings, schools, post offices etc. This does not increase security in any real sense. It is totally for the purpose of intimidating the citizenry. Bush, Cheney, and Rove were the evil trio that set it up, but any would be dictator who manages to become president can take advantage of it and completely plummet us all into a rigid oppressive police state. That is why the US Constitution forbid such actions and laws, but the GHW Bush regime and the Reagon regime put Reagonomic enthusiasts on the Supreme Court and all objectivity and independence was lost. The Supreme Court became a political tool that later appointed GW Bush as president and while his father was in a meeting with the Senior members of the Bin Laden family the twin towers and the pentagon were flown into by airplanes by Saudi and Egyptian pilots trained in GW Bush's brother's state and were known by the fbi and the cia. Yet all this happened and just like the reichstag fire in 36 they managed to carry out a major catastrophe that led to changes in the US Government that allowed them to engage in unconstitutional suppression of the people and their rights. This is the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ehrens when and if the United States is forced to run full scale war with Iran (something we've not done since the second world war) I hope you are captured and executed as a traitor. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This Americans for Peace Now group must really be a bunch of idiots and fools. I would guess they are a mixture of foreign agents and overly privileged upper middle class ignoramuses trying to undermine very important defensive positions against those who's sole desire is to murder each and every one of us. I will not be bothered by fools and miscreants. To hell with them. Blow Iran off the bleeping map! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Katz that was not a legitimate exercise. That was a successful attempt by the Bush fascist controlling council to use a scary situation to intimidate the average citizen. Hire a bunch of low paid uneducated people and give them authority. Put them at the gateways to travel and get everyone acclimated to unreasonable search and seizure. The airport inspections are not for your safety but to make sure you are constantly aware just who pulls your strings. The "expanded" police powers is another example. There are more. "We need to restrict and remove certain freedoms in order to preserve them" <--- bald faced lie of an oppressive regime. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol this is getting like the Christians with all their different versions of their faith. I support conservative Judaism as I know it, but recognize the legitimacy of the Orthodoxy in setting the standard of Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 bitin dawg your posts lead me to believe you are nothing but a neo nazi. I really don't care to see your posts as your opinions are moot. You aren't trying to engage in dialogue you are only trying to cause a ruckus. We are used to jerks like you in here and one day we will be rid of you and the rest of your vicious kind. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sanctions are a tool to use against your own corporations to keep them from enriching and empowering rogue nations. Sanctions against nations only means poverty and misery for the populaton while the government still thrives. Look at North Korea. Look at Iran during the Carter Hostage situation. Sanctions against governments simply do not work unless your goal is to drive the populace in to destitution. As far as Iran goes.... bomb it bomb it bomb it and bomb it some more. When the fires die down move in with the tanks. Leave not one stone upon another as they say... Once Iran is reduced to rubble all it's satellite states will shut the hell up. Billy Chowderhead ... are you bleeping stupid? Or are you just some idiotic Iranian pretending to be American? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl this is news and it is about a Jew. There has been a big flap about ultra orthodox Jews covering up their disgusting child abuse and child sex scandals. This article lets it be known that we, as Jews, are not only willing to accept such news, but to do something about it instead of sweep it under the rug. Ehrens is constantly badgering us with his Palestinian leaning rhetoric and he quite often complains that news JTA feels fit to print doesn't belong in here. In my opinion its Ehrens who doesn't belong in here. I am disgusted with all you right wing so called conservatives wanting to censor news agencies from reporting truth... regardless of the story. The swedish newspaper reported lies, admitted it, and said it had the right to say whatever it wanted to. To be informed is to be armed with truth and knowledge. We should be concerned with digesting any news of all Jewry everywhere on earth so that we can understand what is effecting us all over the globe. The truth must be censored but full steam ahead for fox news? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 what a joke coming from you ehrens...you've had almost nothing to say except hate speech to the Jews. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa Aliwat shut your lying face! You don't know what you are talking about you pig of a person. You are merely a foul mouthed hate monger with no moral value at all. How dare you pass judgement on anyone? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The Christian Bible says diplomacy will keep the Islamic horde safe until they have all their ducks in a row and then they will attack both from the inside of Israel and the outside. At that point divine intervention occurs and the entire nation of Islam will be utterly and completely destroyed forever along with all the other anti-Semites and those who claim they are Jews but are not. There will be a thousand year reign of peace. It will take seven years to bury the dead. etc etc etc. My computer models have many scenarios and I am working on discovering the most effective method of preserving Israel, Judaism, and my Jewish brethren from the Islamic horde. It is sad this sprang from an argument between two brothers, but over the centuries it has been made very clear why Ha-Shem chose us. The Arab is a violent, unbridled, abusive and spoiled child. He causes his own family to suffer while he lives in luxury. He goes to great length to lie and blame others for his own evil. He consumes his souls with hate and cleaves to a false god to justify his murderous way. He wears robes of white to hide the filth of his depravity and meanness. Because of his jealous nature and selfish greed he will not succeed in this final act to destroy the will of Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gary Katz perhaps... why weren't just dancing in the streets like in Iran or the other Moslem countries? I think they're working on stage two. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Marilyn Shepherd is merely another name used by the Palestinian infiltration team to disrupt the goings on here... pay it no mind. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 ok Davids... we all know where your loyalty lies. Perhaps it's time y'all found some other source to vent in. Personally I really loathe your anti-Semitic rhetoric. The leaders of Iran fancy themselves the power and glory of the Islamic world. They have stated many times it is their intention to plunge the world in war and chaos so that they may emerge supreme rulers of all. There is no negotiating with them. There is no appeasement possible. There is only delaying the inevitable which only allows them to become stronger and more dangerous. That is the reality and those with any common sense or experience in dealing with Islamic nutcases already knows this. You two Davids are merely puppets of evil so may you fall with it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 2btrue looking at your past posts I don't think you are at any way in touch with the reality of the situation. Iran is outfitting and training a very large army, Hezbollah, to attack Israel at the right time and is also equipping and training Hamas to coincide with this attack. The problem has already escalated in to the most serious of consequences and confusion now will only result in the deaths of many. It is time to begin the carefully orchestrated defense of Israel. It is time to force these Arab murderers in to dealing directly with their treachery and it is high time we put Iran back in to its place. This is a divide and conquer strategy. This is a well funded spearhead to "breach the wall". 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I still think turning Syria into a glow in the dark parking lot would raise the real estate values for the entire region. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Blackie just keep a notebook of the names used by these Palestinian and Neo Nazi sympathizers. That way you will know to ignore their words. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Spain murdered my ancestors and ran the survivors out of the country after they had lived there peacefully for hundreds of years. Spain decided to force Catholic ways on everyone. Those they caught were tortured and killed. Those that escaped such were forced to flee on pain of death. To hell with Spain. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The main purpose of education, Mr. Lambert, is to teach ya how to look for yourself and NOT become a puppet of evil men with greedy agendas. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And every one of them a vicious lie put out by "unnamed" splinter groups of swift boat journalism paid for by the national republican committee and formulated by the Murdoch press. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ira what we need to do is remember our roots. Remember our Promise to Ha-Shem and His promise to us. If we struggle to uphold His instructions for us He will go to battle before us and we will always win. The problem is as it was foretold centuries ago. We no longer abide, as a people to do the things we promised G-d we would do. As a result we are scattered, weak, and attacked on all sides by wicked usurpers. That is the reality and that is our task. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 post after post David R Evans tries to wring out tired lies designed to make the murderous terrorists look like kind loving people only defending their homes, when in truth they are the vile intruders hiding in the shadows wanting to murder your family so they can pillage what you have worked for. The truth is plain but here he is day after day plugging away at our dignity and patience. His is a wretched life and I for one don't think I have been hard enough on this vomituous mass of spoiled garbage in a bag of skin. Blackie I do feel Mr. Katz has every right to say what he did. He doesn't realize I mean to say people like David R Evans or Hicks or Ehrens or Steve or whatever Palestinian murderer or Neo Nazi wretch is in here denigrating us, are the worst kinds of humanity and should be denounced in the strongest of terms. I think they should be hunted down actually. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 To hell with you Ehrens. Your Arab buddies don't scare us at all neither do your Persian friends., 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well I think the best course of action is to share some of our Nuclear technology with them... you know... help them along. I think about 4 warheads ought to do it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Lambert I spend about 5 hours a day digesting many sources of news. FYI a lot of stories are completely untrue and many have been intentionally planted by third party outlets of groups like the Republican Party in the United States, Iranian sources, and Palestinian sources. You have to get verification on every thing. Show me one example... just one... of Obama "hooking up" with Chavez. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gary Katz don't defend this Palestinian terrorist. He is a vile intruder trying to cause dissent among us. He has three or four other identities he uses to spread his poison and he should not be allowed in the door. His is the most disgusting of dishonors. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I thought you were going out of town Mussa 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H this actually is old news and thanks to GW Bush the general population has been alienated against us there which plays right in to Chavez's hands. I hope you realize soon that there is no other solution but preparing for all out warfare against our mounting enemies. This appeasement theory has been busted. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ira Herson those people were apprehended and put in prison nearly a decade ago. This is another (and so far very successful) attempt to sway public opinion of the world against Judaism, Israel, and Jews in general. The Palestinian "source" that fed the information to those immoral scoundrels in Sweden knew full well it was a small, horrible yes but small, amount of greedy people tied to one Doctor that had already been adjudicated by Israeli justice. There is a reason this is a blood libel. This is seriously effecting efforts to keep Israel intact. This will cause havoc on many fronts and is completely intended to do just that. This is just another volley in the vicious war effort of the Arab horde as they try to obliterate Judaism and Jews everywhere. I don't really care about all the criticism I get for these words. I have studied the past and I know if you don't learn the lessons of history you are doomed to repeat the mistakes. Today's Jew knows little of the struggle for survival and thinks that being nice to mean hateful mongrels of humanity will suddenly cause him to live in peace with us. That is totally false and fatally wrong. We were nearly wiped out during the second world war and an even worse challenge is fast coming upon us. There will be no time for those too silly to stand up for themselves or each other once the fighting starts so please.... take some advice and start preparing now. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That's pretty much my point blackie 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is a generation lost Cheryl. The next generation may be able to come to terms with us, but this one is too vile, too lost in deceit, too murderously crazed. It's kind of like the 40 yr trek all around the promised land... allowing for the generation from Egypt to die before we reached the promised land. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The validity of surveys is dubious at best Melvyn... period. Surveys are designed to solicit the desired response and survey takers are usually trained at how to ask questions to get their desired results. Most pollsters work for those who pay them and are far from independent. Even some long term university surveys are tainted that way. double blind balloting is the only real measurement of the population trend. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yeah we can finally breath some fresh air. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly disgusting this is a Jewish news site for Jewish disemination not a space for people to denigrate Judaism and Jewish belief. While you may not understand or agree with the fact that allowing the Palestinian groups unfettered access into Jewish land will cause horrible consequences to us it is true. There was a day when we did live in peace with our Palestinian brothers, but that was centuries ago and now all we get are hateful killers trying to use lie and trickery to sneak their way in to murder us in our beds. Yeah... that is pretty melodramatic, but it is true. We have one spot on this earth to call our own...one. Since day one the Arabs have been trying to kill us and take it away. You call me garbage...heh... I stand up for my people while you winnow it away with your stupid appeasement doctrine and defense of those trying to kill you. You have every right to say your piece and I don't question that. I do question the reason and moral integrity of these people like Micheal Hess, David Hicks, David Evans, this guy called Steve, etc etc... because they are non-Jews who's sole intention is to denigrate and vent hatred against us. Theirs is not to discuss but to disrupt and you take their side and call me garbage. You really are thoroughly disgusting. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 it says I am logged in as thoroughly disgusted.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well... we could always donate some of our nuclear supplies to Russia on a "trial" basis... see how well they worked. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Fine with me... lets meet them on the battlefield. Let's do what we were instructed to do some 3700 years ago and remove them from our presence. Cheryl what on earth would make you think the Palestinians are honest, honorable, trustworthy, or willing to fairly negotiate? Has the last 4000 years past your perview? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It has been apparent for quite a while that the United Nations is merely a cowardly front for horrible regimes trying to unseat the western nations. They are obsessed with propping up illegitimate states and the Arab agenda. It is a crumbling facade of totalitarian leaders mounting an ever threatening front against our way of life. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yosef I feel offended by your defense of the Palestinian "squatter" on the only piece of Jewish real estate on earth. There is no excuse for the constant attack against us for the small plot of ground, relatively speaking, for which we call home. Shame on you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 2btrue Jerusalem has been the illicit capital of the Palestinian remnant many times. While it is true that it is the eternal city of Judaism many usurpers have wanted to claim it as their own and it must be said it was the Islamic armies that saved it for the Jews from the Christian horde that was murdering every man woman and child during their great crusade of evil. In spite of the atrocities committed against them by these Christian armies, the Islamics steadfastly beat them back and allowed them to leave peacefully. From that period on for many centuries Jerusalem was a peaceful city where Moslem and Jew lived in peace. It is a shame that evil crept in to the soul of Islam and that is no longer possible, but still there was a time when Jerusalem was a peaceful conducive capital for both the Moslem and the Jew. 2btrue your zealous retorts don't seem to come from a foundation of Judaism at all. I wonder what horse you are backing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The only effective solution concerning Iran is to utterly destroy its ability to wage war. There is no other solution. Sanctions will only give the Iranians resolve and harden them against us at a time when the general population of Iran seems more moderately peaceful to us. The general populace is not the problem. Its the Mullahs and the Imams and the crazed zealots like that crazy president. But... thats the same problem in all those Moslem countries. The mullahs and the imams and the crazed Islamic zealots believe it is their duty to their god to kill the Jews. This fact will not go away regardless of the lies from Ehrens or Evans or Hicks or Hess. These people mean to kill us and we would be derelict not to engage and destroy them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q Public there are anti-semites and hate mongers in every country including Israel. It really tears me up to see what these smug perveyors of lie and insinuation write in these forums. Until JTA takes a stand against them (which would probably border on censorship) we will have to put up with them. When the time finally comes and they raise their hands against us, we can do what we have to do to defend ourselves, but until then I fear we will just have to put up with their vitriolic tongues and poison words.... Liars all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is a forum for the Jewish Telegraph Agency not a trash can for every crackpot and hate monger that uses the Jew as a scapegoat for their own emotional insanity. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Why is it that you continue to come in here with your Palestinian propaganda and intentional misrepresentation of the truth Hess? You don't like us so why don't you find some where else to vent your poison? It is "black journalists" like you Hess that continue lies and foster animosity towards Jews and others. Why do you continue to post in here? Do you mistakenly believe this is a forum for Neo Nazi viewpoints or Palestinian propaganda? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Ehrens you are not welcome here. Why don't you make your abnoxious abusive lying statements in one of your Palestinian propaganda rooms and leave us alone? Ari H is right however Melvyn. The poll's quality would depend on the independence of the demographic surveyed and whether the survey was qualitative or quantitative. The relatively small number of replies indicates a very narrow field of respondents. My survey, which is no way considered scientific, has had this result. Almost everyone I talked to supported Israel, but almost no one said they agreed with the settlement limitations proposed for Israel. Most people I spoke with believe Israel should retain the original boundaries as set down by Ha-Shem in the Bible and that the Palestinians are, as a group not individually, attempted usurpers of G-d's will and will be destroyed. This group is made up of Christians, Jews, and many who don't claim any religious affiliation. I spoke with only one of Palestinian descent and she believes we should all just get along. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lambert your claims of support by Obama, Clinton, and the rest is an outright lie and not even supported by that fascist propaganda outlet Fox News. You and Arkady are the same "little puke" aren't you? David Ehrens, Chavez is a petty central American dictator who murders newspaper editors when they write things about him and kills entire neighborhood inhabitants if he thinks they don't agree with his policies. He is a murderous tyrant with control of his nation's oil riches. He is an absolute madman destined to cause a lot of trouble for everyone he entangles himself with until his death. Your lies about annihilation being the motive behind the Gaza campaign are evidence of your twisted outlook and evil agenda. If annihilation were the motive there would no longer be anyone of Arab descent alive there. IDF would not have exerted the extraordinary self control over civilian casualties that it did, and lying instigators like you would be imprisoned or dead. If I were in control of the Israeli military the very first time those filthy lying dogs of humanity launched a rocket into Israel I would mount an annihilation campaign that would end the problem for all eternity. I would not stop until all of my enemies were dead, but that's just the way I think. I don't believe lying murderous jerks like you deserve the life G-d gave you. Be thankful I'm not in charge. I find no excuse at all for you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Warning Will Robinsonstein... danger danger. Yeah the resurgence of ancient Catholic strongholds teaming up with Islamic strongholds to turn their wrath towards the Jews has been predicted and is happening. What surprises me is again we are turning a blind eye to the actions we need to be engaged in to thwart this dastardly plan to eradicate Judaism from the face of the earth. Those who aren't with me are against me... or so it says. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 again Lambert your cowardly and thinly veiled comment insinuating that the French are cowards is one of the biggest reasons you are looked at like an idiot. The issue is that the French government sides with the Arab which considering their colonization of the Arab world shouldn't be so hard to understand. When you consider the energy issues France has and that the Arab world is one of it's biggest trading partners this announcement should come as no surprise. To say the French are cowards etc is completely false and not supported by any historical fact including the Vichy government. Your lack of knowledge of centuries of French honor and heroics is only surpassed by your willingness to hate that which you don't understand. The French government, however, has chosen to stand against Israel. That fact will be it's downfall. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 correction: the same holds true concerning Michael Hess' uniformed threat of a defamation suit against me... not him. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In case anyone isn't clear on the burden of defamation according to world wide accepted jurisprudence. There is no slander in Buchanan's words until certain criteria can be established which at this time cannot be demonstrated. The same holds true concerning Michael Hess' uninformed threat of a defamation suit against him. While he does have a point that I was very venomous towards him and it really wasn't called for, the fact remains based on his own words it can easily be construed that certain political beliefs are his. It isn't an issue of defamation where Buchanan is concerned, but it could become that. The real issue is the legitimacy given to his and other's words concerning the National Socialist political philosophy. The fact that it is given credence at all shows a very dangerous trend towards freedom and democratic governments world wide. It also shows a very grave danger to Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Heh France can join the Palestinians in hell. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Give it your best shot Hess... you are way out of your league. It is my suggestion to read up on the burden of defamation law. But... you continue to make slanderous false statements about Jews and Israel while trying to "get even" for me seeing things as I do. Unless you have a crooked federal judge in your pocket you don't stand a chance. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland... I am sure you know I don't want to engage in that kind of thing, but I want to make it clear to these Palestinian insurgents who've infiltrated this JTA site that we not only know what they are doing we are aware that they know it too. I want to make it clear if it comes between them or us... they will be ash. The only distinction I make about human beings is against those wishing to do my people or my family harm. To them I am willing to wage unending war until they are completely forgotten as a people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland its the only one that seems to come up when I hit the text combination. Sorry... I don't like it either. Has anyone noticed the huge increase in outsiders lambasting us in here lately? People with absolutely NO connection what so ever flooding these posts with hate speech and lie. Isn't there anything we can do about it? It is really starting to make me angry. (my failing) 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland there is more to the possession of a land then that. It is very true that the western europeans used trickery and treachery to horribly murder millions of American Indians so that they could take over and rape the land these inhabitants had (mostly peacefully) lived on and cared for for centuries. There is no excuse for what happened to them, but we can't change what has happened. All we can do is try to learn from history and NOT engage in that kind of behavior again... in other words keep the bleeping republicans out of office. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Michael Hess I would not participate in any campaign to torture or cause to suffer anyone regardless of the situation unless they were engaged in an active campaign to kill me or my friends, family, or peers. Now you claim you would do the same and you seem to blame me for what happened over a hundred years ago even though I'm not that old. I do resent your constant accusations against Israel and Jews in general mostly because you don't know what you are talking about. It seems as if you are superimposing your sense of desolation on the Palestinians who aren't noble, aren't honest, and are cowardly killers of defenseless people. Your choice of factual sources is far from factual. You simply are telling things that aren't true and getting angry about it. I am angry because you choose to be on the side that murders little children playing in their yard. Of course you have rationalized that it's acceptable in the Palestinian struggle.... again you act like a Nazi. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ya see Leland. This Hess acts like a nazi, talks like a nazi, and refuses to look at facts if it differs from his tight little balled up sketch of hate like a nazi, but he says he's not a nazi. He twists history to fit his argument like a nazi too... and like most nazis of today gets really pissed off if ya call him a nazi. I don't doubt he is a Cherokee Indian. I don't doubt he harbors hatred for everyone because he feels the transient resentment syndrome usually associated with blacks who hate whites because of slavery. The notable issue here is his hatred for Judaism and Jews choosing to side with murderers and jackals who lie and twist history into a completely unrecognizable mess. He doesn't know what he spews but he keeps spewing it. Again... what is he doing posting in here anyway? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa actually a good question. Probably because the reach of their circulation is very small. The influx of money by the foundation should allow them to expand. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Very astute Stuart. Terry Rowe I know you are unaware of this so let me make it clear. Ha-Shem will destroy ALL of Israel's enemies...every last one and it will take almost a decade to bury the dead that the crows don't eat. It is charged of the Christians (if you follow their faith) to bury the dead when they find it in their travels to visit Jerusalem. by the way... that includes YOU :) 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Before I let it slip and go unsaid... Mr Hess I apologize to you if I have offended you. I have been slandered in here several times and on one occasion I too felt I had to threaten a slander suit to get it to stop. I must make clear it is not my intention to personally attack anyone who doesn't make a habit out of attacking me, but Mr. Hess your stance against Judaism has no business being laid out in here. You don't really know what the bleep you are talking about nor do you face the challenges those living in Israel have to deal with on a daily basis from these so called oppressed people you know so little about. I don't know where you get your information, but I know for sure it's not first hand. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If this is your picture Hess... you do look like a Cherokee. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 continued... News site. Yet here you are berating the Jewish and Judaism. It isn't I who came to your house and spread crap about you. It is YOU who came here to spread lies about us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You use the infamous name of one of the most prominent Nazis of the second world war You constantly berate and falsely accuse Israel You constantly lie.... LIE about historical events regarding Israel. You act like a nazi and you talk like a nazi American Indians have faced the same kind of horror Israel faces for 300 years yet you have no sympathy for us. I don't really care what you say Hess. I do understand the anger and frustration that comes from being falsely accused. Maybe you should read some of the crap you write and you will see why I've said what I have. If you aren't a Nazi why take up their stand? You attack us with your lies and your carefully worded insinuation. You slander us with every post. You have no real reason to even visit this JEWISH 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Lambert should I read your fox news nazi rags? Should I read the swift boat propaganda conceived by Karl Rove, or should take a well rounded study of many reports from independent sources as well as talk to people who've actually lived under his regime? Perhaps I should become a fascist in Jews clothing like you and hate everyone not you? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David William what an unprecedented example of lies and hate all wrapped up in you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Walter I guess you haven't heard the radio broadcasts of Hitler explaining why he invaded each and every country and claiming each time it was his last territorial demand. You people who spread rumor and lie to justify your opinion are just as guilty as the guys who shoved those millions of men women and children in to giant gas chambers. You have no clue at all concerning the evil that was Adolf Hitler or his running buddies. Hitler believed, like most Republicans in power do, that as long as he consumed nations through aggression and used the citizens of those nations as slaves he could keep Germany rich and powerful. It wasn't until those allies of his realized he would never stop until he had it all that the tide began to turn. The United States wasn't an effective force in Europe until June of 1944. That was many years in to the Nazi aggression. Hitler believed his biggest threat to world domination was Judaism. Try to remember Hitler was crazy... he was a transvestite porno addict, a failed painter, and a frustrated pseudo intellectual. He consulted tarot cards, psychics, and so called gypsy occultists and when it didn't pan out he vented his rage against the gypsies as bad as the Jews. Hitler thought himself the moral compass of the world and incorporated a popular novel of the time comparing the origins of the German people to the people of the mythical place... Atlantis and that is where the Aryan race came in to being..... in the mind of a fiction writer. My thesis was Hitler and the 3rd Reich and I studied in Germany where the events actually happened. I've visited the camps, seen Hitler's many bunkers and his hilltop home in Garmisch. I studied this for years, interviewed retired German soldiers and officers. I lived in the communities for years talking with the old timers and getting the story from them as well as what I was taught in school. Walter you are full of crap as is Steve and the rest of you neo Nazi sympathizers. You don't know what you are talking about and I hope you get what you deserve. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thomas some do some don't. Torah tells us to treat all people with respect and kindness, toleration, and understanding. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Steve whoever you really are. You are a complete waste of mass. You are the product of a nazi education. You don't know what you are talking about at all. Why are you here? Are you trying to "educate" us? You deserve what you are going to get and may you get is real soon. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 People I'm surprised at all of you... Buchanan is a core member of the Republican Party of the United States and not only does he shape the policy of that organization, he along with all of the upper echelon members of the party wholeheartedly believe in it. What shocks and shames me is the amount of Jews who foolishly subscribe to this evil political power. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 By the way Hess, you disgusting nazi, it is the Arab nations that keeps the Palestinian in the shape they're in, not the Jewish. Israel has dramatically raised the standard of living for nearly all arabs living in Israel and you think its bad now? You should have seen it before we were "allowed" by a guilty world exiting world war 2 to return home. The Arab nations intentionally keep those pretending to be the descendants of the Philistines (who invaded and killed everyone in the area known as Gaza to settle there centuries ago, and were routed by the ancient Jews around 4000 years ago) Notwithstanding the bigotry and hate expressed from both camps on an individual basis, the Jew treats the Arab a whole lot better then the Arab treats the Arab. You Hess, besides being one of these hate group members thinking yourself superior, are a very uneducated liar. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hess you stinking Nazi.. you lying pig of a person. You probably have never had to deal with the hate or the violence constantly perpetrated against Jews by people like you or the Arabs. There is one small spot on earth specifically for the Jewish homeland and it has been the Jewish homeland for nearly 4000 years. You want to lie and confuse trying to take the side of the insurgent Arab who uses fear and cowardly attack against women and children with no clear objective or conclusion and THAT is the definition of terrorism you worthless cowardly wannabee storm trooper. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 to hell with you fernando. who cares what you think about anything Jewish? Mussa you really need to go find something else to do. Good point Ari H 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lambert and Mussa you two are shameful liars. There really isn't much more that can be said of you two. Chavez is a notorious dictator with paranoid delusions... a lot like you Mussa... He will do anything to increase his power and wealth. He desires to control the Oil Industry just like GW Bush wants to and just like King Abdullah pretty much does. All three of these people have one thing in common. They are all three oppressive bigots and horrible abusers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lets play school and teach these rotten Arabs what annihilation really means. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Must be more peaceful invitations from David Hicks, David Ehrens, David Evans, Terry Rowe, and what other names does this dastardly lying Palestinian use??? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Hicks, Terry Rowe David Ehrens, David Evans... yer all the same piece of crap cowardly moslem... lying, cheating, stealing, and doing everything you can to transfer your shameful existence to us. I don't understand why you are even allowed to access a Jewish News site. You're not even close to any kind of a decent human being. You're just a cowardly piece of Arab spittle. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you have to be the most stupid of people I have ever had the displeasure to endure. Please... take a long walk off of a short pier. Wagging the dog is exactly the term used to define these tactics Cheryl. First they start the rumor, then substantiate it by having in published in some far away journalistic rag they can easily buy off, then use that very article to give their original lie substance.... hey thats the GW Bush/ Dick Cheney government in a nutshell... Honestly... when Ha-Shem eradicates all these Arabs and Neo Nazis... is anyone really going to miss them? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Ehrens... in contrast to a lying scumbag of a Palestinian shill like you? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Very good article. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 david hicks or david evans or mustafa wannabee whoever you are.... the difference is you people are lying murdering cowards who sneak up on children etc and murder them as they play or on their way to school. The holocaust was a general rounding up of all the Jews in Europe and systematically murdering them en masse over several years. Its kind of what you want to do to us too isn't Mr. Palestinian scum? NO David Perelman we don't hate each other, but there are a growing number of Arabs and neo-Nazis coming in here under false names trying to disrupt with their filthy lies and their perverse hearts. I am very tired of reading the likes of david hicks or david evans or terry rowe etc etc etc. Their entire purpose is to push their Arab propaganda of exterminating the Jews and Israel on us in a forum of free expression to the point we stop using it. It will fail as will every agenda they have until there simply are no more of these evil people left. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Blackie you are just being wrong. Antagonizing your fellows for the sake of a fight is shameful behavior... which I myself am probably way guilty of. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 However... on the off chance that it actually is racist... a violation of one of Ha-Shem's mitzvot... I hope the situation will be corrected quickly. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Evans your use of Arab propaganda to support your Arab propaganda doesn't fool anyone, especially those who've studied history. The problem with your nonsense is that you are trying to fool the educated. You need to stick with your 5 yr old Arabs. We know better. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 kudos to you Milton J Wolk 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 5769 is coming to a close.... time is every shorter. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 these things have to happen Paul Winter so that all who will stand against us can be identified. Stay strong, stay faithful, and study Torah. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Evans it is you who are the liar and everyone...even you... knows it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 conclusions drawn from assumption are ill advised and usually false. Wait til more info is made available or let it go. FYI the only people more experienced in building and detonating explosive devices then the arabs are the irish... with the persians running a close third. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 in my experience the one screaming loudest about racism is the racist. I, for one, will not be pressured in to giving undue or undeserved privilege to anyone just because they cry racism and don't try using the past as an excuse. We live in the here and now. Either join the game or take your ball and go home! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H it is NOT indisputably racist. It is just that these transplant students are black so everyone fears racism. If Israel didn't want to accept them they never would have been brought to Israel. These students need to be put in remedial classes until they are up to snuff with the rest of the students at these schools. I am so disgusted with all the social cowards in the room whispering racism at the hint of differentiating fact. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 2btrue you can go to hell you lying fanatical evangelical nut case. You're the kind of weirdo that stands out in the middle of the street crying the sky is falling. I am not an atheist either you cowardly piece of christian cow crap. Little jerks like you really twist my beanie. You try to pin your frustrations and fears on me, claiming I am behaving in a racist manner because I tell the truth, crying that I am an atheist because I don't subscribe to your self originating perversion of G-d and Torah, and making a false claim concerning the schools you are whining about. I never said anything about racial discrimination towards anyone, but throwing a bunch of well behind students in with the ones that are up to par will result in the good ones getting a lesser education and the behind ones will just get worse, not having the foundation to base their work on. I speak from experience you stupid piece of donkey sputum. Your tone towards me really pisses me off. I am not some back woods uneducated loud mouthed coward like you 2btrue. Nor am I afraid to speak what needs to be said and forcing schools to add students to their classes who aren't ready for them is a very serious mistake and trying to label it racist is just plain evil. You are a rotting piece of dung... you stinking liar. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 2btrue you're a lying dog. Ari H it is wrong to refuse a child an education but it is also very detrimental to lower the standards to admit a large group unable to meet the academic level of their contemporaries. We did that here in the state of Texas to accomodate the huge influx of Mexicans and as a result we have one of the worst school systems on the planet. It is simply wrong to take such a giant leap backwards because of the problems created when traditionally ignorant (not saying stupid) immigrants force their way in to a sophisticated education system. They need to be brought up to speed not have the rest of the system slowed down to fit them in. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you are disgusting 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 C'mon folks... this was a kid. The horror and sadness of the Palestinian curse ate this child up before he could be anything but another statistic in this terrible onslaught caused by the Arab living peacefully in his own land. The Arab and the lie ... two things that go hand in hand are responsible for this tragedy. The terrible truth is we won't be able to stop it from happening. We will only be able to eradicate the threat at a cost of millions of Arab lives, but it is better then losing even one of our own. I hope no one takes pleasure in the death of another human being. That is perverse sin. I also hope everyone recognizes the necessity of clearing the planet of these wicked people before their hatred consumes us all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Katz try to remember David Evans is a lying murderous cowardly Palestinian dog of a human being... a mongrel of hatred. Trying to reason with him is a complete waste of your time. At best he is food for the crows. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 LoL Arkady and Mussa... a match made in heaven.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Whew Mussa you are a dangerous and vile entity. You need to be "Handled". I can understand that violence can come in many forms and argument can easily foster violence, but the reality is the Palestinian has a major propensity for violence and argumentive behavior. Their lack of education and self control leads to such as they get so frustrated when it is clear...even to them how wrong they usually are. They lash out, usually with knives, and injure those in their way. This Palestinian took a knife to a nearly 50 yr old man over an argument. This Palestinian should be beat to death in front of his family. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Forgetting them would be a terrible mistake. Vanquishing would be best. Let their way be lost forever. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This person claims to live in Paris France Ari H. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey Mussa .... why don't you stick with your arab buddies in france and leave the Jews alone? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ahhh Mussa you are a moslem masquerading as a Jew... now it all makes sense. Madonna is a whore. Why let her in Israel? Oh yeah.... the powers that be have monetary gains in mind... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Argentina is a fascist nation. Fascist nations are ones that tend to think they are superior to everyone else. The fact that G-d has a hand in the perpetuation of the Jewish people causes these racial elitists to foster hatred towards us. It isn't for anything we ourselves do. We all know we are just like every other people as far as sin and vice goes. We have a responsibility and potential, but in all honesty so does all mankind. Their hate is as irrational as their belief system. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H the ultra orthodox groups are NOT orthodox. They are fringe groups of weirdos trying to claim legitimacy for their crazed oppressive philosophies. They are known for things like ... raping children, beating women, starving children, and other things genuine Orthodox Judaism abhors. Mussa you are more of a problem then anything else. Your hate and vile attacks are about as Non-Jewish as a person can get and not be Islamic. You only lie and stir up contention. You are a sinful burden on us all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you are a liar, a cheat, an instigator, and a horrible human being. No one listens to what you say. We are actually quite sick of you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Note: Will Edwards does not honestly recommend any use of Nuclear Weapons as the fallout causes damage to everyone on earth. I just don't think we should tolerate the Islamic murderers any longer. Not one more second. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lets start a "Nuke the Moslems" fan club 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The agency is run by a moslem. If you expect honesty you are a moron. Esther what other name do you post your pro Arab crap as? I can't wait for the day when your era of terror is finally over... and that time is almost here. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gadafi shouldn't be allowed in the United States. He is a terrorist. And speaking of that ... what about the hundreds of people his subordinate murdered with the Pan Am 103 bombing? What justification can be used to giver their murderer any humanitarian consideration? He should have been dropped from an airplane at 10,000 feet. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think I should take offense to SP's words. I think he/she may be talking bad about conservative Judaism which is like Orthodox Judaism without the mafia like rabbinical control over private business and corruption. The orthodox bend today has mangled the traditions like it was 2000 years ago that sprang the "christian" rebellion. As a matter of fact it is an awful lot alike with a tyrannical rabbinical council exercising strict and unbalanced control over the Jews, while they suck up to the modern day Roman Empire... the United States. Greedy men have usurped the integrity of G-d's teachings so that they may have wealth and power. They unfairly impose restrictions on Jewish business on a case by case basis apparently using violations of Mitzvot to show favoritism and unfairly exact monies from them. This is not the Jewish way. This is a dishonest and unethical way. That is why I am a conservative Jew. I can still uphold the values of Torah without having to suffer the corruption of those who feel they have absolute power. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa u should be denounced and not allowed 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 is SP insulting conservative Judaism? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Unfortunately for most of us the health of the deli is based on the customer count. In my town I have to drive for quite a while to get to the closest one.... One of maybe 4 in the entire city. If there were more demand for them there would be more of them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hess you are nothing but a Jew hating Nazi... David Ehrens I am sure you are also not taking the side of Judaism and Mussa why is it that someone hasn't dragged you out by your ankles and beat you senseless for your insensitive and outrageous attack on pretty much everyone? Why are you scumbags posting in JTA ? What do you hope to achieve? Anyone who knows is fully aware of the atrocities of the Arab people against everyone not Arab. Heck they are just as abusive and horrible to their own people (but in secret). The Palestinians have divided themselves up into different factions and they murder each other and torture each other's women and children just like they do the Jews, but again I suppose that is our fault too? Your constant intentional distortion of truth and slander against the Jewish people will not go unpunished. I eagerly await hearing of your fate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I say to hell with the Arabs, to hell with the Palestinians, and to hell with Desmond Tutu. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 But... like GW Bush said... if yer not a card carrying republican of the Dick Cheney variety you can't believe in G-d cuz yer a homosexually active abortionist trying to destroy the world and a traitor to your country.... Right before he lied about the weapons of mass destruction. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Of course since GW Bush the greedy republican taskmasters have used the Christian churches as a means to fund their godless crusade to crush all freedom of thought and destroy one of the last vestiges of freedom on the planet. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili regardless of the tripe you and your fascist friends in the republican party try to shove down people's throats its the democrats that reversed the trend to outlaw G-d with the Religious Reformation Act, written and sponsored by the late Senator Edward Kennedy. The republicans have been tearing away at our religious freedoms since the late 1950's because its bad for business and after all since money is what you greedy oppressors worship, G-d has no place in your lives unless you are trying to trick the general populations. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The rest of the world is for us to run amuck... Israel is for G-d and His people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Gino I would say it is you who are trying to make good people believe your way is the right one. We have thousands of years of history and proof of G-d's blessings and curse...depending on the path we take. I know its hard for the narrow minded to understand the concept in these days of technological agnosticism, but Ha-Shem is very real and our responsibility is as well. It is not that we should become more like you, but we should become more like our forefathers, but better... we have education, science, and millenniums of history as examples to study. Yes our interpretation is imperfect, but its still better then anything else. It is Judaism that brought the very concepts of a civilized world to the world. Those things came from G-d. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The world is full of uneducated fools ready to blame Israel and the Jews for being forced to live in a land surrounded by enemies. No where else on earth is this the case. Our nearest and nearly only friends are thousands of miles away... the United States. Now I say this as I do living in the United States, but as a Jew I feel a kindredship to Israel and all my brothers locked in the very struggle for survival against the hundreds of millions of Arab murderers. These ignorant hateful people who come on to Jewish sites to make their vile claims against Jews need to be removed from our sites. We can't even have a discussion online in peace. It's terrible! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey Steve.... go to hell. Chris your lack of historical knowledge is nothing compared to your stupidity concerning the Palestinians. How much did the murderous palestinian horde pay you for your treacherous lies? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart I understand, but for someone to lie there must be a motive and unless Uzi is trying to stir up hate against the Swedish government which is a bit redundant considering the blood libel they are guilty of, I see no reason for him to lie. What I was raising was a point to Ari H that he tends to ignore the witness to the act in favor of his own opinion which is usually 3rd hand at best. This was not to belittle or insult but simply an attempt to see this from another perspective. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well said Cheryl Mavrikos. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rabbi Cardonick, may I respectfully submit to you that a Jew in the wilderness without benefit of Torah is free from the sin of not respecting his commitment to Ha-Shem, but once instruction finds him he must learn what his responsibility is and one of the most important responsibilities is to learn Torah and the traditions that go with it. You speak of reformism Rabbi and that is contrary to what I understand as Ha-Shem's instruction to us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Kosher delicatessens are seriously lacking here in Dallas Tx. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa Aliwat is a jerk. He is a pure A-hole. That said I want to make it clear that my position, as a conservative Jew in the United States, I believe the true orthodox Jewish direction is the direction best suited for Israel. While I want to make sure to state my views of Torah are in strict accordance with the Orthodox point of view, I have a lot of problem with accepting the dictatorial ( and many times based in greed) edicts of various rabbinical councils making rule to suit their power base and pocket book instead of reflecting the reasons for their authority in accordance with the will of Ha-Shem. That is why I count myself a conservative. I believe that G-d's law never changes, but as society grows and becomes more "enlightened" if you will, our Rabbis should relfect that in their decision processes. We are no longer ignorant shepherds tending flocks in the wilderness. We are a very astute scientific people with a superior education system... with exception to Mussa of course... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 wow the grammatical mistakes in that last post make me dizzy! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Its amazing Ari H that you don't recognized someone's first hand experience trumps your third hand readings... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 blackie... depends on if i stepped in it or not... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 mussa yer a jerk. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Cheryl I don't have a split personality. I find most people are not some rigid ideologue as purported by the Republican National Committee or any of it's splinter swift boat propagandists. Most people agree with some things and disagree with others on positions in either camp...even you. Your husband didn't turn Ger? Well that's between y'all and G-d. I have always felt whatever two people see in each other is nobody else's business. As far as the old stereotypical joke about Jewish women and their lack of desire for sex from their husbands.... you must be too young to remember them. That passing joke should not have received any attention other then a chuckle. The issues in here are much more serious and I guess the bottom line for me is I defend my freedoms and the rights to choose with just as much zeal as I have for protecting my family, friends, and people from the wicked that wants to destroy us all. As melodramatic as that sounds... its the truth. Having read a lot of your posts where you rant the party line and further the propaganda concerning Obama, helping to bring confusion and chaos instead of thoughtful deliberation I can understand where independent thought may throw you off. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Terry Rowe, David Hicks you two are the evil here. You are liars, propaganda spreaders, and supporters of a terrorist regime. I would prefer not to have to see your posts in here. You say every bit of rebuttal for your outlandish lies is false and you and your palestinian friends are the only ones with honor. You claim the word of these murderous people is always true yet they have NEVER honored any thing they have ever promised. You claim it is the Jew who encroaches on the land of the peaceful arab when in fact it has been shown time after time that it is the arab who always starts the confrontation with some cowardly stab in the back act and then they scream foul whenever we respond. It is my heartfelt opinion that people like you and the rest of your palestinian horde need to be battled in to oblivion and one day you will be. The Christian Bible says it will take 7 years to bury all the dead but that G-d is raising crows to eat the flesh of the dead because without that it would be too hard of a task to bury all of you once this war is over. There will not be one of you left.... not one. Then the world will live in peace. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H maybe since he is a Jew living in Sweden he has first hand experience instead of relying on somebody else's "feelgood" political noise. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa is just an A-hole. Plain and Simple 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My birthday was last Shabbat Ernest, but thank you very much. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The Argentines are well known for their racial hatred of all not in their certain click. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you are not at all helpful in our struggle. You are just a fool, yes I said fool, spouting hatred and anger. Cheryl is pretty close to right. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I, on the other hand need to calm down some... I just turned 55 and my doctor told me I have to stop whuppin up on these young neo-nazis cuz I'm not a kid any more... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Hyman, sir I would like to point out that there are many arab infiltrators in to JTA blogs. Thats just the way it is. You can tell them by their posts. David Hicks being one of the worst, but we have enough of our own kind making hateful posts of utter depravity to contend with to worry about these lying arab dogs of humanity. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Terry Rowe you disgust me with your lying vicious tongue. You are just another one of these vile arab liars probably being paid to write the crap you write on this Jewish news blog. Why don't you just leave us alone? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hicks there is no rational reason to respond to your lies. Almost everyone in the world knows of these issues as they were very well publicized for nearly two years in every major news outlet on the planet. LoL where HAVE you been????? Oh yeah with your head stuck up your own cave...right? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl if married to Jewish women they probably have already fallen off from lack of use... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady I think I finally understand your problem. You just don't understand words as they are assembled in a sentence. Try reading it again. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl extreme zionism and for that matter a lot of the "ultra" cults are fascist in construct and they do resemble the social fascism that was national socialism. These extremist groups are no better then those of non-Jewish origin. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa JTA didn't claim anything you blooming idiot. It just reported what others said. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 One more thing.... all of y'all who talk anti-semite this and anti-semite that.... Arabs are semites too. Lets not forget that when its all said and done these are our brothers and sisters... they just took a wrong turn and are too stubborn to admit it to themselves. They, like the prodigal son, would be welcomed if they ever changed their hate filled hearts. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Hicks you ignorant lying Arab son of a two faced dog... what I said of China has been established by international monitoring, and the United States FDA as well as many other human rights organizations. As far as their program of organ supplies go... you go to India get on the list and China provides a ready to install organ straight from their prison population. Many wealthy abusers of themselves have already taken advantage of this horrible practice and it is one Israel as a nation would never abide by. Your constant badgering of all things Jewish and your glorification of Nazi and Islam teachings gives me reason to hate you, but all I can find for your lying, deceitful, disgusting, and dishonorable ways is pity. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Paul Winters you are aware these people you mentioned are quite likely hired goons of the Arabs trying to incite dissent among us. It could also be a tool for them to target certain people for their opinions, after all most of us know how afraid the Arabs are of truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David HIcks I would start with you... you Nazi sympathizing fake name giving Palestinian terrorist. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes a pre-emptive strike against Iranian Nuclear Facilities.... and government buildings, and mosques, and cities, and factories, and bridges, and major roads....please. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I, having some knowledge of investigative reporting and responsible journalistic ethics employed by nearly every newspaper in the world (even Al Jazeera), disagree. I feel this is definitely a moslem driven anti-Jew campaign. It comes from a country where there is no journalistic integrity and the right to lie, cheat, and steal, is upheld by a wobbly government where everyone works for the state. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I call any Jew who claims a Jewish settlement on Jewish Heritage is a disgrace is himself or herself a disgrace to all of Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Miriam... both those stories were written around the same time in late 2001 early 2002 and involved a pathology doctor named Hiss who has already been apprehended and dealt with. This was a private doctor trying to make money illegally and as soon as it became known to authorities the situation was corrected. The Swedish thing claims this is a government sponsored program where they routinely steal the organs from Palestinians. To the best of my knowledge it is categorically false and known to be by the newspaper in Sweden responsible for the article and also known to be false by the Swedish government itself. This is a slanderous accusation that I would go to war for. It is something that must be stood up against immediately and fiercely. You obviously have no dignity or honor so you wouldn't understand why. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hess is just a nazi. Don't even start listening to his lies. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q Public there is nothing civilized about accusing a nation of harvesting body parts of it's enemies knowing full well it is not true. It is intentionally inflammatory and hateful. If this were true there would be a huge outcry amongst us for those responsible to be jailed. This kind of intentional attack against Judaism and Israel is for no other reason but to cause harm. It is an attack against us plain and simple. It is well known that China harvests the organs from its own prisoners and sells them on the open market, but that is China. China gives lead filled crayons to pre school children in the United States and exports intentionally poisoned food and medicines abroad. Israel is not China and is, if not the most, one of the most moral nations ever to exist on earth. This slander is a horrible attack against all Jews everywhere and should be dealt with very very harshly. Were I in charge Sweden would already be a wasteland. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Perhaps this Crist guy, of course he's sucking up to the religious right wing in his state....those nutballs will fall for anything, but perhaps.... perhaps he is sincere. He does give credit to G-d and what is wrong with that? I know you atheists and Palestinians don't think so, but I think giving credit and glory to G-d is a good thing. How can this man soon berate G-d after praising Him so? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 How can any Jew honestly say that the Arab Israelis are the most valuable diplomatic resource available today? They don't represent Israel at all. They represent Arabs and Islam. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Who cares what those weirdo "interpreters of Torah" think? The Ultra-Orthodox are closer to Islam then Judaism in my opinion and I really don't relish them representing the state of Israel in the first place. I think Lieberman's idea is a really good one and I am sure most would agree. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It was indeed unfortunate as it always is whenever someone is injured or killed, but I don't invent the words used nor the definitions of them. I can only draw from the context they are stated. Personally I don't know what happened but it does appear on the first glance to be a case of jittery IDF personnel or Egyptian personnel, but I wasn't there. I can accept that your intentions Ari H were not to communicate how I interpreted it, but in my opinion that is clearly how you did say it. You tend to be slanted towards initially believing it is we who are in the wrong and usually because we don't agree with your viewpoint for Israel...not always, but mostly. It is not appropriate to delve into the differences you and many of us have. It is, in my opinion, important to point out your first inclination is to degrade the home team and I find that rather offensive. In the USA we have a saying... "don't bite the hand that feeds you". 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In Islam a life is worth X amount of dollars... period. So much for a father... so much for a brother etc etc etc... The above response contains three major points I'd like to bring out. 1. It makes a declarative statement claiming the IDF is intentionally lying. 2. It leads the reader on that this individual posting this has inside information regarding the incident, and 3. It contradicts the earlier assumption by claiming it was an accident. It is one thing to bring up possibilities and discuss them, but it is entirely a different matter to automatically take the side of the opponent then attempt to justify the position. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Average American Jew to Sarkozy... kiss my pimply fat a** you slimy little worm. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa Aliwat how come someone hasn't beat you into a coma yet? As much of an a-hole that you are... You are bound to have pissed people off whatever part of the world you live in. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David R Evans the Palestinians only occupied the place by chasing out the Jews, using the British. Your entire premise is a lie. They really aren't Palestinians anyway. They just adopted that name like hispanics adopted latino and latina when there is absolutely nothing latin about them. They seem to think if you lie about something often enough it becomes true by perception instead of factual basis. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh Yes... and China... lets not forget China 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 To tell the truth Arkady GW Bush took a budget surplus and ran it in to the largest deficit ever in the history of the United States in less then 4 yrs most of which went to Cheney controlled and Saudi controlled companies. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 2btrue do yourself a favor and do a bit of research. Your Biblical knowledge is a bit lacking. Maybe you should do more listening and reading instead of talking and writing. I find myself agreeing with Paul Winter on this one. Arkady you're as vitriol as usual I see. Mr. Cohn is right... Jordan is the actual Palestine. Let's send them there... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That last line sounds like a description of the GW Bush cabinet. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David R Evans you are a liar plain and simple. You hate the Jew so you come in here trying to make your evil heart seem legitimate. You are most likely a coward as well. I find it very hard to believe that any Palestinian past the age of 5 is innocent in any way. I've seen the indoctrination videos and the pre-school tapes. I've known Palestinians myself and I have reams of evidence disproving your pathetic points. That being said... I don't really care what the motivation was. If an IDF soldier broke the law he or she should be prosecuted. If an IDF soldier or group of soldiers violated his or her orders and killed unarmed non-threatening civilians they should be prosecuted. There should be no double standard. We must have integrity and honor. I having studied war from several perspectives. I have my own opinion as to how it should be fought, but the IDF conduct code is well spelled out. If violated, the person(s) involved should face the consequences. There should NEVER be a cover up as that only gives totally worthless souls like David R Evans ammunition to use against us, not to mention a sin against G-d and all of us. I may be a very staunch advocate of Israel for the Jews in its entirety I am a more staunch advocate of integrity and morality as detailed by our mitsvot. David R Evans is using doctored propaganda to deliver lies in an appealing way..... a pile of crap in a gift wrapped box. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Goodness.. this Cohen guy is pretty disgusting and loathsome in his perverse humor. Personally I find him revolting, but that is my opinion. I find him obscene and a detriment to Jews simply because he is one, but like I said these are my opinions. I don't let my kids watch any of his disgusting films or television shows. I wonder what kind of perverse brain finds this brand of humor funny. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili these people are Syrians acting as Rabbis not like Rabbis. Their criminal doings are well documented over several years of investigations. There are many diaspora from many places and more then a few have lost their Judaism and their humanity in their journey. Many are finding their faith as well. I have noticed, and this is just an observation from me not any sustainable statistic that a lot of Russian Jews have lost not only their faith but their moral value system as well. I blame that on the communist system of atheism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Public Statement: If in my zeal to make my point I cross the line towards personal attack or belittling personal comments out of context of the momentary argument I strenuously apologize to anyone I may offend. It is not my intention to be offensive, but please understand the very emotional feelings many of these articles and postings bring out. I have not been blessed with a privileged life in a gated community. I was raised mostly in poverty being the minority in minority neighborhoods and I have memories and experiences many here simply are not able to relate to. Still, there is no excuse for me to sink so low as to attack someone personally because I am upset at what he or she said. I will try to prevent any such situation from arising in the future. While I don't feel my comments in this particular posting environment have crossed that line there may well be comments in others that do. Please accept my apologies for any and all incidents that may be construed as offensive personally to anyone...even Ari H or Mussa, or ....well you all know the general audience. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili Phili Phili... I am a democrat and a Jew. I am not a republican because I vehemently oppose fascism. I am not a totalitarian nor a person who believes in using oppression to force people to agree with me, but I am not the kind of person you try to make every democrat look like. I am like most democrats who believe in social justice, freedom, and fair honest government of the people for the people and by the people. As far as my personal views go I am rather conservative with old fashioned moral values. I am a normal American, the average Joe... a democrat. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I have sent the staff at JTA your comments and I have printed them out and will be sending them to my attorney. Please try to understand that you are not dealing with some Ari H type of blabbering humanist. I am very angry at your continued attempts to use libel and slander to berate me. I have a reputation to uphold and you call in to question (using lies) my sanity, whether or not I suffer from alcoholism, and you insinuate I have a social disorder rendering me with "bouts" of homelessness. Do yourself a really big favor Mr. Ari H. Never make a comment concerning me again. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H maybe in your self serving self righteous cloud of confusion you are unaware but let me be very clear. I can bring charges of defamation against you for the lies you are spreading against me. You are demonstrating genuinely perceived harm to my reputation and it has a direct effect on a very large homeless ministry I am the director of. Unless you want a real lawsuit and genuine criminal charges brought against you I suggest you cease and desist. If this occurs again I will turn the matter over to my very Jewish attorneys and I will utterly destroy you in court. If you have any brains left in that stupid head of yours you will heed this... your only warning. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly disgusting you masquerade as a Jew but you are another Palestinian plant, much like that nazi Terry Rowe. You come in here to foster confusion and anarchy against Jewish tradition and belief. I say to hell with all of you. You atheists and Islamists are doomed anyway. Your time is short so keep getting more and more bitter against those with faith. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 again I find myself agreeing with Ari H, but retribution is just as wrong as the initial wrong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It was said long ago, I believe by either Benjamin Franklin or Thomas Jefferson that democracy only works as long as the general population is a moral G-d fearing people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The reason these things happen David Ehrens we have gotten away from observing G-d's laws for us and try to placate the unbelievers in our midst by creating an unachievable standard based on humanity policing itself. The same problems exist in most western cultures today. So many laws based on panic experiences and misapplied emotion instead of the just laws G-d set down a long time ago. There is no foundation for our justice today so there really is no justice. I feel ashamed my brethren could commit such a criminal act of cruelty towards anyone.... especially unprovoked. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa do you think you're cute? Where's your mother. She needs to slap your face and send you home. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mistreatment of people....heck mistreatment of animals even.... is strictly forbidden and a shameful crime. These cowards wore masks so as not to be identified. They knew they were wrong before they conspired to commit the act. Letting these mean bullies get away with their crime sends the wrong message. Wrong is wrong. Is this the kind of settler we want? Cheryl yes it happens both ways and yes emotions run high and yes... there are many incidents of violence on the part of the Palestinians unprovoked against women and children, but that does not in any way excuse these people from knowingly break serious mitsvot and shame the entire Jewish people. There is no excuse for their behavior and no excuse for the police to let it go. These thugs need to be punished. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you are still an insane jerk I see nknjpt... are you intentionally trying to come across as a moron? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly Disgusting... It isn't me who makes such a judgement concerning what is and isn't a Jew. It is G-d. If you turn your back on your brothers and sisters, fail to uphold the promises and commitments outlined Judaism, and you lobby interests contradictory to the will of G-d and the betterment of Judaism as a whole I'd say you pretty much have your answer. I do not say one person is or isn't. Torah does. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again John Q Public you make an incorrect assumption. I can only guess why. I don't impose my values on anyone, but I expect those who accept the same value system to uphold them as unhypocritically as possible. You try to impose your lack of values on me and condemn me because I live to a higher standard then you do (my opinion). You want to sit back in your big chair of wishy washy humanism and with your nose in the air due to the stench of your self assumed righteous indignation, and tell the wolf to live in the same pen as the rabbits because you are too stupid... yes I said stupid... to realize why they are kept separate. You are another example of a person without self control trying to control others. By the way Halal and Kashrut could go hand in hand in parts of the USA if it weren't publically known... but if it were the Islamists would feel forced to "retaliate". 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The murders, the lies, the underhanded undermining of legitimate governments, assasination of brothers so one can become sheik, the abuse of women, the falsification of history, the double standard treachery..... all these things and more make Islam what it is. I do not make it one thing or the other and McDonalds sells billions of hamburgers but that doesn't make even a single one of them nutritious. There is no justification for the evil that disguises itself as a religion especially since their call to worship is death to all Jews whom G-d saw fit to bless. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Islam is a profanity against G-d. Ha-Shem said there shall be no other gods before Me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It doesn't surprise me at all Ari H that you would defend these liars and scoundrels. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Heller I come from a Sephardic mother and a agnostic father from a Catholic family. I was not raised with any religious training or understanding. It was much later in my life that I came to discover my roots and the faith that seemed to fit me like a glove. I have studied hard trying to catch up to what those who've been trained since birth take for granted. I wish I had the same chances they did, but I hold no regret because I have led a rather good life in my eyes. What I do see are people like John Q Public and Phili strenuously advocating wearing the t-shirt because of the name but not because of the significance. If all you want to do is claim to be part of a group yet you aren't willing to do what it takes to participate and help you are merely a drain. These people who claim Judaism yet foster no heart for it are liars to themselves and to others. They represent nothing. They believe in nothing. They accomplish nothing, but they are always ready to criticize others for trying their best. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol theleviteline.com wow what a comment. Remove the emotional distress and its pretty effective. It is true that the Rabbinical direction has been to consolidate power and wield a mafia like control over everything Jewish. I am a conservative Jew, but I lean towards orthodoxy for quite a few very good reasons. There is more to Kashrut then boiling a kid in his own milk, but you really are right about the overboard restrictive policies intended to keep power within a certain group of producers and rabbis. What can I say? I believe you are very wrong about your predictions concerning Judaism though. I think you will find the corruption and the greed will fall away but the kernel of Judaism will remain solid and fruitful. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This thing of signing accords to make the sitting US President happy is a weak and stupid move. The only solution to the Israel/Palestine issue is to make it so clear to the Palestinian and all others concerned that Israel is no place for them to set up shop. Seriously. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl you ask for these replies because of the dumb things you say. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gosh .... what do I really feel? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Terry Rowe... shut up you Jew hating jerk. Howz that for up close and personal? I am sick to death of holding back while people like you slam my faith, my family, and my friends. I am tired of the senseless murders and attacks on women, children and old men by those Palestinians you love so much. I am fed up completely at the media campaign by your lying compadres from the Arabs to the Neo-Nazis all over the world Jealous of the Jew because some 3700 years ago G-d showed us favor. We have a great responsibility to the world and to Ha-Shem because of that and all you disgusting vile reprobates of humanity do is try to kill us. I am sick to death of you people Terry Rowe. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Legislators are always trying to mess with the system because they don't understand the problem. That is why political systems are designed to be slow, preventing the panic syndrome that politicians run on. If you have a sudden rise in crime, study the statistics and put more police in the area, crack down on known criminals, and make sure everyone understands it cannot be tolerated. LoL ... we are being run by children who've never had to control themselves much less anyone else. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Terry Rowe...just you and a few others who come on here using different names in attempts to hide their contemptable behavior. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Say what you like, but a crazed Imam calls the people to jihad and millions die... that's just plain evil. Leland... William and Mary is not only a better academic school then Yale, but its also a better atmosphere where free expression is encouraged and generally produces a more even handed graduate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q I would like you to study an old computer language known as forth... then learn what is meant by painting windows by NASA. I have painted more then a few myself and I can promise you that all your "facts" are based on G-d's laws not the other way around. It's easy to know when the train will arrive if you know the schedule. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q you are a faithless fool and I really don't have to listen to your ignorant comments. There are those of us in here that actually KNOW better then your tripe, but because you are seriously and sincerely ignorant of G-d we sound like crazy weirdos to you... Sorry about that bud... it really is your loss. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl... you are uneducated about our very system of government you scream so much is out of whack. One of the very first tenets of our constitution is to provide for the welfare of the citizens. National Health Care is not only constitutionally correct but fiscally and morally sound. The problem is uneducated pundits like you and a very very greedy republican political party made up of the major shareholders in the insurance industry and like businesses. Of course they don't want to lose their billions a month profits. For the most part your words of stupidity and hate don't make much difference but you are playing devil's advocate here and the United States sincerely needs a national health care single payer system. That is the only way medical costs can be kept in line. Any other suggested solution is a sham and a lie. If you refuse to educate yourself just stfu. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I thought ramadan was a cheap motel run by hindu 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There have been many cases throughout history... very famous cases.... where Israel put G-d before them in all things and went out against armies and peoples much more powerful then they themselves and were victorious because G-d fought for Israel. Recently Israel seems to have forgotten their duty to G-d to keep the land clean of certain things and as a result are less then spectacular in their dealings. While reminding everyone that being righteous in the eyes of Ha-Shem is not the same thing as the self righteous oppression of people, we need to get right in the eyes of G-d and take the worry out of our situation. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If y'all don't like what the people at JTA print then go read some other online rag... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa the usa is a nation about 3000 miles wide, 2000 miles long, and full of about 350 million people of every race, creed, and national origin... some legal... some not. If there is only three cases of anti-semitism a day there I am glad. You, however are bigot enough for everyone. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gary Katz the faith of Islam is a sham designed to make greedy opportunists rich beyond the dreams of most of humanity while keeping the general serfdom down in poverty and oppressive restriction. This has been the case for many centuries. Islam does not respect truth, justice, or fairness, but there was a time when it did. Therefore, there may come a time when it does again. It's not impossible... just highly unlikely. The basic Islamic follower is a blind follower willing to subject his daughters to unspeakable horror in the name of Islam. Willing to use lie, murder, and whatever means they find to make themselves look like good people, dressing in white and making big ceremonies about their self proclaimed purity. The truth is far different. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Other then that... they is really nice people... don't mind the rockets or AK 47s... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Ehrens you believe what you want to believe. I will stay with fact. Fact: The Palestinians call daily for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Jerusalem. Fact: the Palestinians as a people have broken every promises and accord they signed. Fact: Palestine is not nor was it ever Israel. Fact: I've had to deal personally with the hatred of the Palestinian who for all other intents and purposes is a normal person just like me and ...well I won't say you..., but mention a Jew and watch the hate fill their eyes. I don't need your panty waist nonsense about bigotry and hate you jerk. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Ehrens I stand corrected... this response of yours appears fair and evenly balanced with reason and fact. You don't always take the side of the Palestinian, who in this case is intentionally spreading a vile bias against Judaism with this false story. The newspaper and it's editors should be imprisoned for this intentional mass inciting of animosity towards Israel and Judaism in general. The entire premise of the story is taken from a lying Palestinian in the first place. Of course it is true not all Palestinians are liars, murderers, and false witnesses... only the live ones. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland Madearis ... William and Mary is the oldest in the country iirc... Yale has been an enclave of the rich elitist movement in the United States for decades. It reeks of the foul stench of totalitarianism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That is what Yale is all about. Look at some of their graduates... people like GW Bush who made stifling freedoms an art form. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Ehrens your constant support of Palestinian and other Arab anti-Semitic causes forfeits your right to say anything against anyone in these forums. You have not stopped in your condemnation of all things Jewish and personally I think you should go play in the freeway. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You see Cheryl when you lie like this and make evil insinuations about people who's only crime (your opinion) is differing from your tyrannical point of view, you make yourself liable for the replies you get, you shame yourself in everyone's view (except those like minded fascists), and you basically stink up the discussion. It is Israel's business who they let in, not the United States. Obama is making some huge mistakes very early on in his administration and if he doesn't learn from them fast his presidency may rival GW Bush's as the worst on record. Its kind of like the days of the triumvant in the waning days of the Roman empire. One bad leader after another... and the only other choices are worse. By celebrating Robinson he has done more damage to his administration and the reputation of the United States then any other act he has done. I hope he can recover some of his dignity and get on with the business of the United States. He is our president like him or not and we need a lot of work done. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Perhaps Daniel Rosovsky my perception of this article is a bit one sided, but I still say to claim that Jewish culture and Judaism are two separate entities is completely untrue. I am glad to hear you say these participants spend a lot of time reading Torah and Talmud. I am glad to know they are eager to become what they should be. What I am saying, again, is that there is no separation between Judaism and Jewish culture. If that were the case we would just by another phylum of humanity. No significance at all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Daniel Rosovsky... the very title of this article claims there is a separation between Jewish culture and Judaism. Your argument is weak and full of holes. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Come on people... these guys are fighting for their homes. Have we no compassion any more? What can we do to resettle these citizens of Israel, Arab though they be, to another area? I am all for the complete Jewification (lol what a word!) of every speck of dirt in Israel, but to evict law abiding citizens without fair compensation or compassion is not the Jewish way. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I still don't think its right to just bulldoze a family's home. Surely there must be some compromise that can be arrived at. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Fernando, Paabrhm, John Farbarik, and Herbert Kaine... Jerusalem was established as a holy Jewish city and while many have overrun it over the years and even now those opposed to G-d reside within it's gates. It is ordained by G-d as a holy city of the Jews. It has been so for at least the last 3600-3700 years? It is full of Jewish history and architecture. It has always been a home to more Jews then any other people. You people side with the enemies of Ha-Shem. May G-d reward you for your treachery. Those of you who have stood for Jerusalem and G-d's word will be blessed. There comes a time in all of our lives when we must stand for our faith. I am not trying to assume an authority I do not have so please accept my humble apologies for being so bold in these statements, but they must be said... so I did. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Hicks your torment will be forever for your comments. From this moment forward your life shall decay. All your work shall be for nothing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Maybe this is a gesture to allow the Arabs occupying Jewish land a chance to get their act straight and prove themselves willing to come to the table honestly. Phili your hate rhetoric is really wearing thin. You have shown yourself to be a liar and a closed minded hate monger almost as stunningly crazy as Mussa. There is no excuse for an adult acting like that. MF you must be one of those so-called Palestinians I've been reading so much about. That mythical bunch of violent pretenders who suddenly became Palestinian when it became a popular cause of the British around the turn of the 20th century. Their lack of factual backing and complete misunderstanding of history makes reading about their antics rather sad and laughable all at the same time. David Ehrens your offensive lies only condemn you and I long for the day you get yours. You probably know the truth but still you keep trying to push your agenda of hate and aggression against G-d. This effort on the part of the Israeli government is a clear show of willingness to compromise in the name of peace and humanity. I know it will fail because the Palestinians are basically an evil group of liars. Individuals may shine as spectacular examples of humanity and may they shine for the world to see, but as a group these people are worthless murdering cowards, hiding behind women, children, and the infirm. They and their compadres will sabotage every effort to find a peaceful solution because... as has been shown clear in every previous attempt..., they don't want peace with the Jews. They want the annihilation of the Jews and the destruction of Israel. They foolishly think by possessing the Temple mount they will reign supreme. They don't follow the ways of G-d nor do they try to do good within the tribe of man. There is no redemptive qualities in them. For those reasons and more they will all fall against the sword of G-d. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Every poster responding to this article is, from what they have written, indicating they are uneducated, bigoted, foolish people with no sense of the world they live in. They only respond like startled snakes hissing their venom and who ever appears. I guess if you live a powerless life of fear and hate this is your only chance to feel empowered. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Eu Wei Choi what is your bleeping problem? Why are you such a horrid bigot and scoundrel? What is it about others who actually are trying to make things work that brings out the hatred in you? The only disgrace to Jewish people I find in here is allowing you to post your filth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady how can a person as bigoted, uneducated and blatantly stupid as you manage to get on here? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Fred you need to stop telling a newspaper what to print. How oppressive of you. Mr. Brownstein I am Conservative Jew. I guess your statement towards me would mean while my existence is an oxymoron you are merely a regular moron. ASC, Mr Novak was a fascist working with the Nixon, Bush, Cheney group intent on using media lie and other inciting ways to cause confusion and chaos while his usurping superiors destroyed the constitution and the bill of rights. He was another in a long line of evil men trying to make things the way they want them no matte what the cost, This man was the worst kind of journalist...he was a liar and a slanderer, but I think Mr. Alderstein is right and we should respect the dead. David Ehrens you should go somewhere else to stir up trouble. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Judea is part of Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What an evil load of tripe in a fancy wrapper... there is no Jewish culture without Judaism. Judaism is the root of every thing Jewish, from the clothes we wear to the food we eat and our social lives as well. This is an attempt to lure our youth away from G-d and our society. It must be made clear that Jewish faith and Jewish culture come from the same source... Ha-Shem. It is a very difficult task I know, what with the contradictions in scientific history and stories passed on through the generations. It is hard to comprehend the mystical awareness of it all in this technical age, but that is because we look at it backwards. We are trying to explain the sights of a technically stone aged people attempting to describe tremendously complicated mathmatics. We have grown, become more aware and educated. We have learned a lot in the last 5769 years. Truth fits perfectly in to G-d's universe as all truth comes from Ha-Shem. Our perceptions have changed because our ability to understand has grown. To use this cushion between the ancient belief of mystical happenings and a modern understanding of science to wean our young off of Judaism is a terrible thing to do. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 mussa you are insane. I think they need to lock you up. It does call dna evidence in to question now. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Does anyone remember reading about the Vatican's conversion purity law of 1205? Do you know it wasn't repealed until 1968? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rosen thank you for your correction 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If you don't believe me ask the Von Trapp family in Pennsylvania. They know first hand. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is a fact the wartime pope had an agreement with Adolf Hitler that he would not interfere in the vatican or catholic church business if the pope ordered his various churches to offer sanctuary to Jews then betray them to the Germans which is what they did. I say let the catholic organization bare the guilt of their own treachery and cowardice and may they forever suffer the torment of G-d's wrath. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili I am way past tired of your lies and intentional deceptions just because you are a card carrying fascist and hate anyone who doesn't agree with your outlook on life. You don't have any (bleeping) idea what you are talking about. You just want to spew hate. You and your ilk are merely cowards afraid to take life on without the restrictive control of an oppressive governing body and as such you are scared to death of freedom. We who love to live freely are disgusted by your cowardice. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 All the hate mongers in here not withstanding this is merely an attempt by the catholic church to shift the blame for sending millions of Jews to the death camps to others. Yes in 1942 we may have learned of such plans but remember in December 1941 we were attacked and our Navy was all but destroyed. It took us until June of 1944 to get a major presence into Europe. The reality of our genuine position is far different from the fictional representation of that great deceiver the Catholic Church. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa your lack of education and basic common sense amazes me. How do you ever find your way home? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Michael Hess... what a fine traditional Nazi name you have. Any relation to Rudolph? Israel has been Israel for close to 3600 years. It was given to the Jews (which includes me :) heh heh) Because the cowardly immoral lying Arabs are trying to claim different doesn't change the truth. It is you who are the liar sir. It is you who are the camps of the terrorists. It is we who will prevail. The Palestinians, Arabs, and Persians have never honored their word or their agreements. They constantly wage war against children and innocents. They make long drawn out eloquent claims of abuse and persecution, but history shows it is they who are the persecutors and murderers. It is they who use the British action of chasing the Jews out of the area in the early 1900's and replacing them with Arabs who lie and claim that is Palestine when any student of history knows Jordan is the land of Palestine or Philistia if you want to be more historically accurate. You can take your crooked UN resolutions as made by the enemies of Israel and the United States and you can stick them up your.... If you need help I have plenty of volunteers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I left out the trial part of that scenario and legal jurisprudence is crucial in an orderly society. We have laws in place that would adequately take care of them once convicted and the evidence against them is overwhelming but the crooked hands in the cookie jar are preventing our Justice System from doing its job. That is why I call for all of these overbearing dishonest immoral creatures known as republicans to be tracked down and dealt with according to their crimes. There is no such thing as an innocent one. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Frank Solorzano I would like to point out that Tom is correct about the barbwire camps, the huge warehouses of multi use plastic coffins, and other very very scary things, but one thing he failed to mention was that these are the brainstorms of the GW Bush administration and the notorious nazi Karl Rove, not the current administration. While the Homeland Security Act needs to be immediately repealed not modified it too is the brainchild of Karl Rove and his Fascist play book. People like Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, GW Bush, Rumsfeld and the like need to be arrested tried for their treasonous crimes and hung by the neck until they are dead in the public square publicized by television for the whole world to see. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Patricia Pierce your republican propaganda teachings are showing. In fact its less then 23 percent of Americans opposed to the national health plan and the greatest majority of them are running on false information provided them by crooked media henchmen of the Insurance industry and the Republican Propaganda Machine. Now don't let the truth stop you from your vicious campaign of lies and hate. I wouldn't want to (lol) hurt your ethics. Oh thats funny... a republican with ethics! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q Public you attack me by calling me a bigot even though I show now propensity of hate towards any group, but I do plainly point out very well documented violence and slander perpetrated against us. I guess it could be said, because of my positions towards homosexuality in Judaism and the Arab onslaught against all Jews, and the growing popularity of neo-Nazism that I tend to discriminate against those groups, but that is because they are actively engaged in actions to destroy Judaism, the Jews, and Israel. If you could show me any other rational course of action except vehemently opposing them I would be glad to listen. You say I am trying to impose my conservative views of Judaism on everyone and again that is just another crafted lie on your part trying to make the casual reader take exception. The reality is Judaism is very clearly spelled out in the many books and Rabbinical teachings that all you milk toast claimers of Judaism tend to ignore if they don't suit you. I have said many times it is up to the person to be what that person wants to be, but don't claim a path if you don't want to walk it. I don't make the rules nor do I enforce them. The point is there are clear rights and wrongs here that you don't want acknowledged or even brought out in to the open. We have been given so many great gifts in this life and all G-d asks is a little obedience and to observe certain things... hopefully without malice. If I have been using malice I apologize, but I make no apology for my standing up for what is right nor do I make apologies for your refusal to do so. This isn't the world according to you John Q Public.... It's the world according to Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Its even easier to make emotional claims of appeasement and surrender. I also don't want my children or my grandchildren to fight in war as I have had to do, but I seriously don't want them to stand by while their very birthright and existence is being taken away from them by greedy, immoral, and blindly hateful people like those you wish me to accept Shayndel Marcus. I have never struck the first blow but Ive often struck the last. I pursue peace until peace is clearly not a path I will be able to travel. When its been made abundantly clear there is no other alternative I am a very fierce defender of myself, my family, and my people. You are right in not everyone is bad, but you are also dismissing the truth and that is a silly weakness we cannot afford. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Blackie I feel I must defend Ari H on this one. He is a Jew living in the most liberal city of Israel. He feels he is supporting what is right for Israel and his fellow Jews. While you and I both disagree with what he says he is still a fellow Jew. It is one thing to use intelligent argument to put forward ideas. It is entirely another to attack him like that. I know I've done it before and I have been cautioned by my Rabbi for such behavior. May I suggest a more even keeled response? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I do feel my earlier comment was lacking in compassion. While I do understand why the Israeli government feels the need to send the foreign worker home with their acquired "baggage" if you will, but there must be some compensation that will help these displaced laborers settle in their old homelands. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ray Bright your understanding of history and the Jewish people is a little dim I fear. Stay in the shallow end of the pool. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 One more thing Shayndel... if you're one of those Islamists all dressed in white bathing in the ritualistic waters.... beneath your robes of pure white you are still just a filthy murderer of innocent people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You say its my fault the Arabs are the lying backstabbing immoral murderous usurpers of the Jewish birthright? I say you are either a liar or a fool. One man hurls an insult (according to you it is an insult to call a Palestinian what he is by his own actions) the other hurls a grenade. Oh yes... it's my fault. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shayndel Marcus heh... well it is true there has been plenty enough killing... especially for me. I am sick of it, but that doesn't stop the horde of Islamic extremists masquerading as decent human beings intent on spreading terror and death. That doesn't ease the horror that many in Israel wake up to every day...not because their own people intentionally keep them in poverty as the organizations running the Palestinian areas do.... not because of any desire on the part of Jews anywhere to do harm to others..., but because the illegitimate blind hatred of these horrible people... the followers of Islam... the Arab, Persian, etc... are hell bent on destroying Israel and the Jewish people. It isn't that they want the area known as Israel, which was known as an inhospitable desert before it wasagain occupied by a Jew. It's that these mongrels of destruction feed only on hate and murder. Every day they attack us. Every day they use lie and trickery to fool those too stupid to look for themselves. Every day some of my people are injured or killed because of the actions of these immoral people far removed from the grace of Ha-Shem. Who are you to dictate what Israel must do Shayndel Marcus? Who are you to stand up against G-d? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H ... nonsense. I'm just not so stupid or naive to believe the garbage you spew. I have read post after post of yours where you insist the right path is to give in to our enemies (by their choice not ours) and cut Israel up even further and give parts of it to them. For that alone you should be marked on the day of atonement in my opinion, but there is always hope you may see the truth so... it is as it should be... in G-d's hands. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady I find nothing wrong it claiming G-d is great every morning. As a matter of fact my prayer book pretty much reads that way... with a bit more of course. The thing is to know who G-d is and not to be fooled just because there is great punishments for disobedience. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Since day one (and before) of the return of Jewish people to their homeland have the Palestinians, other Arabs, Persians, Turks, etc etc etc attacked and killed them. There can be no rational claim that Israel or the Jews in general are striving to eliminate the so-called Palestinians. In the day when Palestine, which grew out of Philistia, again by mistake from a gentile in ignorance, it was almost entirely occupied by Jews. The vicious murderous sect of Islam did not exist. People who call themselves Palestinians today are either very uneducated peasants of poverty or self condemned liars. Those who rise up against Ha-Shem or His people will long suffer the fate of their actions and I am blessed to see it coming about in my time. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa Turkey does not occupy Jewish lands. I do expect the moslems to rush in and claim its all a lie and it was really mohammad or somebody cuz after all Abraham was a moslem according to them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 what a bunch of uneducated pablum. Not everyone living in Israel considers Israel's values and mores to be their own. No matter how many children they have or who they marry they should not be living in Israel. Places like the United States are full of diverse peoples, ways, and customs and it is causing the downfall of those places. If you don't stand together you fall apart. That is the bottom line. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland you can tell by the many whoopsies of 2btrue that he is another one of those Christian wackos we've all heard so much about. Just tippy toe quietly away... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Allah my sweaty pimple encrusted butt! Bomb the the holy snot out of Iranian nuclear facilities. Blow the government offices into a find dust. Send the stinging insects and biting flies, loosen the dogs of war and chase down every living Persian and show them who their daddy is! Show those loud mouthed braggart followers of the dark one what the fires of Christian hell may be like. Just do it! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Blackie I don't agree at all. Ari H actually believes that drivel he spews. He honestly believes if we give in to them...again.... they will suddenly honor their word even though they never ever have. He lives in a bubble of delusion where the evil that men do is all our fault because we're just so mean. He really isn't conscious that he is supporting the Arab cause. He thinks giving up his birthright to those disgusting violent murderous dogs of humanity will bring peace. He is an appeaser. He is an apologist. He is blind to the reality that is all around him. His words are not born out of malice... just damn fool ignorance. Because he mistakenly believes he is right he feels justified in his decisions and his rebuke of us who stand with the sword of G-d. He just doesn't know, blackie. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bravo Leland I am glad you are standing up for G-d's truth. Hooray for you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Evans, David Hicks, and David Ehrens... you're all the same ignorant dog of an Arab pretending to be someone you aren't. You don't know history, truth, or the reality of the situation. You only know the down right stupid rhetoric of your damned Islamic imams. The day will come when every last one of you lays dying on the ground looking up at the rath of G-d. And right beside you will be the collaborators who sold their Jewish brethren in to your nasty sinful hands. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Something must be done to ensure the safety of the Jewish people regardless of ignorant world opinion. Return Israel to it's Biblical boundaries, reinstate the Temple, and remove Arab insurgents with extreme prejudice. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Cheryl you're just a poser. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I suppose its just normal ok everyday stuff eh Ari H? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Allah cant meet the needs of Allah much less anyone else Phili 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Fact: Cheryl you just hate that Obama is president because you are a republican idiot tried and true. You can't think for yourself and find comfort in the republican structured environment. Freedom is not for you. Fact: A diplomat that openly questions anything about the government he works for needs to be fired immediately if not sooner. Fact: Fascism is a form of government where corporations run things and everyone earns their rights according to their ability to pay... oooh sounds like the United States... They thrive on combating their weaker neighbors preferring to rob them of their resources then work for their own. They tend to shun all forms of criticism and claim vehemently they are uniquely qualified and righteous, endowed by the creator to rule over everyone else. Sounds like a republican to me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I was beginning to find respect for you until this last round of Jew bashing on your part Ari H 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 But it's true Ari H. You constantly berate Israel and Jews in general reserving respect only for those who think like you. You try to act like you are taking the higher road but there is no higher calling for collaborators like you. You pretend the things you stand for against Judaism and Israel make you a reasonable and enlightened person. It only makes you a traitor to your own people. Things are heating up fast and Israel is being backed in to a corner by nations and people pretending to want peace, but what they want is the destruction of Israel. What they want is the Jew hunted down again. What they want is to end this century of terrorism by giving in to the terrorists. You count yourself with them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you are nothing but a collaborator 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you are not helpful in any discussion. Ari H the reason for the emphasis on Robinson is because she was center stage and presided over the largest world wide conference condemning Israel and calling for the eradication of all Jews. She, who also has a long history of hate speech towards Israel and Judaism, was also the leader of the number one recognized terrorist state in the world... Ireland. She only toned down her remarks after the Durban conference because she was told it was bad PR. For Obama, you, or anyone else to defend this woman is to take a stand against Israel. The fact that this woman is still allowed on the world stage gives legitimacy to the growing movement towards condemnation of Judaism. There is no excuse for this. There is no escaping this. This must be recognized for what it is and appropriate preparations need to be made. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lets start a "Jews against that Arab loving US President" club... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I now regret voting for him but goodness me could you imagine the mess we'd be in with that lame opinion for sale republican option and his crazy fascist running mate in the white house? I agree with this op ed piece entirely. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 As a former supporter of Obama I say let us start now in making sure this Arab loving lying jerk doesn't get re-elected. Let this two faced disloyal turncoat be one of the few who won't receive the nomination of his own party when the time comes. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey David Ehrens find some other place to leave your nazi comments you worthless slimeball of an excuse for a human. Jewish people know better. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am glad to see that justice applies also for Palestinians wronged by Israeli citizens. We as a people are only as honorable as our treatment of our enemies. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The author of this piece states that the ADL and AIPAC don't like the choice of Robinson because she didn't do enough to curb the anti semitic expressions, but reality is she presided over the worst outbreak of calling for the death of Jews and destruction of the state of Israel in modern history. There is no excuse for any Jew to stand behind this woman. Golly gee she didn't mean it.... right? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H when it comes to the defense of the Jewish state or the morals of Judaism you are seriously lacking. Yours is a view of weak knee humanism where everything is ok. Life only works that way when those you despise give their lives to give you the opportunity. This so called human rights group is most likely just some watered down "I'm Ok You're Ok " group being taken advantage of by people like Robinson. You want to belittle your fellow Jews because they don't agree with letting our enemies walk all over us like you do. There are very harsh realities you simply refuse to acknowledge and that will be your undoing. As the world creeps ever faster towards war you better figure out just who's side you are on. Those who took part of and the evil woman who presided over Durban are not your friends Ari H. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If the Palestinians want to return to armed struggle oblige them. Start moving through the land getting rid of every living thing. Let the crows eat what can't be buried and let peace finally reign. I feel pretty confidently if that were to start happening there would be swift movement on the part of these recalcitrant Arabs to return to their own lands and leave Israel alone. There are many nations in the Arab world willing to sacrifice these people for their own selfish gains, but that is just the wickedness of the Arab and Islam in general. Smile while holding a knife behind their back. Now if they want to live in peace.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you are absolutely right. Kudos... Zalmen Nates what planet are you from? Are you another form of Mussa? Cheryl while your conclusions are right your incidental attack against your fellow Jews... if you really are a Jew... are inexcusable. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you really are a sick person. You need to seek immediate competent help for your delusions. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Declarative Statement: If anyone wants to read any intent of violence or insanity based on the posts of mine in here let me be clear. I raise my hand against no man unless he is delivered by G-d in to my hands. Still, if the choice exists I prefer not to react towards them. I do pray and beg Ha-Shem daily to give these wicked people their due and I thank Him every time He does. We are the victims of a very wicked greedy onslaught against our very existence and we have traitors in our midst. As time progresses more and more will suffer at the hands of these horrible people and I cry out to Ha-Shem...please expose and destroy our enemies quickly, surely, and completely. Amen 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Schimel how dare you take out of context words of another to make your vicious compatriots in the republican party look like nice people when in fact they are nothing but racist murdering lying dogs unworthy of the breath they take. You side with them... you also take their punishment. May Ha-Shem deliver the reward you richly deserve. How disgusting you sell your people down the river for a load of crap. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Milton Rosenberg... or whatever your real name is... (I imagine its some waspy name from connecticut) Your assumptive statements forget one thing. The United States Constitution which clearly states the welfare of the people is its most major concern. You think the current buddy system where only friends of certain connected people get the breaks, big loans, and assistance from the government is a fair and open system based on freedom? You are either incredibly stupid and/or naive...or you are just another one of the many republican plants in here pretending to be a caring human being. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl besides your lie that Pelosi called the average American a Nazi, Rush Limbaugh is a really close comparison to Adolf Hitler, a degenerate drug addict who uses his popularity and connections to a corrupt political party to keep from being held accountable for his criminal acts. Your defense of this person...even in the slightest way... makes you one of them. May you get what you deserve. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shook you call me a Nazi and I want to beat you bloody. You are a lying piece of crud not worthy of any consideration of mercy from me. Pray you never meet me. I knew members of the Shook family in Dallas TX and they were very nice people. I wonder what went wrong with you. As long as you let the criminally corrupt republican financial concerns run health insurance as they do all insurance, as they do the pharmaceutical companies, as they do the banks, as they do the stock exchanges, as they do the petroleum industries, as they do the military industrial complex, you are going to have these problems. These people are so rotten they are not worth saving. They should all be rounded up, lined up against a wall and shot... they and their families. Yes that is really radical and shocking, but in reality look at what they are doing. They are bringing the entire world down against all of us...these greedy amoral G-dless people. Let all who side with them perish. Let the planet erupt in their annihilation. Let Ha-Shem take vengeance on we who have suffered greatly and for generations at the hands of these evil people and let the armies of the Dark One...Islamists... burn. Amen One could easily say on the onset that i am one really warped person, but no... I am a student of history. I have seen the result of the common policies of those in charge and I am disgusted by the poverty and misery beset the greatest majority of all peoples so that a very very few can be wealthy beyond all measure. How many children's deaths at the hands of starvation or easily treated medical condition are worth the depraved pleasure of this less then 1% of the world population no matter how pius these liars scream they are. If this post gets removed because of it's theme I apologize to JTA and any decent human being I offend. This, of course, applies to no republican, neo-nazi, or islamic terrorist. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H, mussa did give a little evidence to his identity here in his response, but seriously I don't know who anyone is. I use my name and I make myself available, but most do not. I believe in what I do and say so I stand up. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland have you read Mr. Abady's post? Have you looked at the things Mussa keeps saying? He intentionally causes trouble, spreads lies, incites many including me to almost fury, and he makes it nearly impossible to carry on meaningful dialogue due to all the rabble he brings in here. He should be removed. As well as others in my opinion. This is a Jewish news site not a forum for Nazis and Arab terrorists to put forward their views and express their hatred for us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mrs Robinson is an anti-Semite plain and simple. She hails from Ireland the land most friendly to the Palestinian Authority and other terrorist groups. She presided over the infamous Durban conference that called for the destruction of Israel and death to all Jews. She is not any friend do democracy, freedom of choice, or Judaism in any form. She is a vicious terrorist who's weapons are words instead of rockets but the outcome is the same. That is from a Democrat Ari H ...ME!!! Your support of her is shameful. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Nonsense... most of the terrorist leadership's family lives in France and the Arabs contribute greatly to the French political system. France is where these terrorists go to hide from world justice. I find it very hard to believe that the EU will do anything at all unless it involves helping the Darfur slaughter or destroying Israel, or fighting China over robbing central and western Africa of its oil reserves. People forget Shell Oil Company is Dutch not a United States company. It's run by one of Hitler's own. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H it isnt despicable. Are you gay or something? Its pretty normal for a man to want to look at "hot" women over older women. It would be unusual and weird if he didn't. Yes Mussa likes to provoke, but you do too... in a passive aggressive sort of way. I do take exception to hearing of the death of a human being good news. How detached Mussa must be from G-d. That is terrible. As far as the news about the plane pilot... JTA is always a day or two behind the rest of the news. Give it time. This article is about swine flu. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is a tough one for me. While i long for Israel to follow Torah I also want people to be free to make their own choices. I really don't know what to say except that violence against brothers is seriously wrong and trying to force your will on others is also wrong. We are directed to observe Shabbat, but the zealots have interpreted that to mean so many harsh things. Shabbat is a time of joy and family interaction with Ha-Shem, not an excuse to create political terrorism. These Haredi are wrong and as harsh as their fever is so will their answer be. Mussa why not just give in to the Palestinians in the name of peace? All the pretendo Jews think its a good idea... oh they like to be called secular or reform. I have a lot of trouble separating the Jew as a person from the Jew as a follower of G-d. These haredi are fighting the fact that someone not from their sect bought property etc. It's really not a religious issue unless you believe like they do that they own Judaism and they alone can dispense what is right and wrong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The strategic damage Israel and Netanyahu may be causing is to the Arab intention and those trying to carve up Israel for the greedy Palestinians and other invaders of what is rightfully Jewish land. There is no amount of talk or evidence or anything else going to stop them from trying to take over Israel and eradicating all Jews everywhere. Only those so far removed from their culture and traditions think otherwise. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I would like to comment on this consul's statements. First off the only American Jews he may be upsetting are the secular and the reform Jews. The ones with no firm root in Ha-Shem. Those of us who believe G-d will deliver us if we follow His ways and stick to His mitzvot do not believe in negotiating with people who've never honored any agreement they have ever made and only used such agreements to further their bloodlust against Judaism and the Jewish people as a whole. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Here again John Q you side with those opposed to following Torah. You seem to think just because you choose not to follow your responsibility to G-d no one else should. You really aren't as smart as you think you are. Other then that, a diplomat who openly disagrees with his leader needs to be removed and the appropriate punishment should ensue for his embarrassing his leader and his country. That is something called loyalty. Perhaps if you read the definition of the word over and over a few times a person like you may catch on. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John your assessment of me is wrong. You already know that. I really don't understand why you persist. There are explicit instructions on what a Jew is supposed to do and how he is supposed to do it. There are many Rabbis and places of instruction should we have any questions. While it is definitely the case of two Rabbis three opinions, As a Jew you should side with Torah and Rabbinical tradition. Yes there are problems. Yes there are criminals in the works, but there is a lot more good and worthwhile in being Jewish. You think it is me you are offending with your twisted words and sophist style insinuations? You bring shame on yourself. As a secular Jew you have no respect for yourself and that is why you act the way you do and try to accuse me the way you have. The problem isn't how I see things or how Leland sees things or even how Phili sees things. The problem is how you see things and relate to them...you and your godless friends like Fernando Dios. You call yourselves enlightened, but you are just cowards...afraid to commit yourself to G-d. Personally John Q., I feel that is your choice and while it saddens me (we are all burdened with each other's sins) I realize it is your choice, but for you to come in here, ridicule those of practice and faith, call them horrid names, slight them for their faith, and generally attack them as lessers and fools... you are only making your plight worse and making enemies you don't need to make. You obviously don't understand the depth of a person's personal belief in G-d. You surely don't understand the relationship a Jew has with G-d. My advice is not to stick your nose in where you don't want to be. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well Ari we must be getting different Intel... believe what you want... the truth is still the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 arrrrgh! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 so the bigot and the neo nazi level off... I wonder what sense of satisfaction y'all get at the useless barbs you both throw? There are no shortages of evil people desiring to murder Jews, especially public officials. The important thing is these people are discovered, apprehended, gleaned of all information possible, and then jailed for at least a couple of decades. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q Public I do not need your mediation and I don't particularly care for your atheistic point of view. You claim to be an educated intelligent man. Aren't you smart enough to stay out of discussions you aren't involved in? Mussa levels accusations of treason and corruption against everyone in any position of authority both in Rabbinical circles and political ones. His filthy mouth spews lie and insinuation against everyone and he is particularly vile bigot. You are nothing to me but a washed out shell of a man for the things you have said against me and Judaism. I would prefer if you would not reply to my posts at all. Not because you are particularly bright and witty, but because you are closed minded and offensive in a soft shell. Your conclusions are your conclusions and in my opinion full of crap, not worth reading. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Judaism is not an offensive faith Dr Dios but it does have certain tenets we are to follow if we are to call ourselves Jew. A Jew is a mixture of two things...if i can be so simplistic without bringing out the weirdos like you...they are a genetic faction of humanity and they are followers of a faith called Judaism. Your atheistic dogma is really quite offensive to me, but I don't have to concern myself with it. I just don't understand why you bother to take part in a forum about a people you don't believe in unless its just to cause trouble. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I wonder how long it took you, mr public, to spell those big words. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa what difference does it make? Perhaps it was just made for the fun of it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland you know you cant argue with a closed mind and Dr Dios is definitely one of those anti Jews claiming to be a Jew with a closed mind. Rocky they were found out several years ago and instead of compliance to current regs they simply lobbied to have the regs changed so that if a percentage of the beef was in a given batch they can claim it all is. I suggest you investigate the ranches and captivity raisers. You may find it enlightening. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland Madearis states the truth in a very succinct way. That is the only rational solution, but I doubt the cowards now running the democratic world would see this for what it is. I am not a war monger, a hawk, or whatever you want to call it, but I see no security or peace, or any form of social justice in this world as long as evils like the Iranian regime, Fatah, Hamas, or Hezbolla exist. I am tired of putting up with vile threats from disgusting examples of humanity bent on anything destructive. I am tired of accepting the existence of perversion so horrid that we are forced to allow it in our midst by law. I am tired of the vicious attacks both verbal and physical against my friends, family, and fellow Jews because of incompetent and greedy criminals cant accept the fact it is their responsibility for their own failings. I think moving to stop their advance on us while it is in the planning stages a very good strategic move. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you are so wrong. I guess you didn't watch the hearings. Did you read any of the accounts by the UN weapons inspectors? Did you read the report issued by President Bush's own investigator concerning the CIA failure or the one by Clinton's advisor? Did you do any research at all before you issued this lame interdiction of no validity? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ahh I knew that lying Arab terrorist using his fake english name would show up sooner or later... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl read some of Von Roth's posts you will see reasoning will do no good. This person is a solid neo nazi. Why they choose to invade this forum I just don't understand. Maybe they think think they are winning converts or getting an inside track in to our doings... who knows. Phili has a very good point! Of course, my opinion of the threat of Arab attack against Israel is the next time they do let us move through every town, every camp, every city and kill them all. Lets go ancient Jewish on their butts and get rid of this problem once and for all. Let us engage our brothers everywhere around the world and end this threat through a righteous struggle. After all they declared the jihad... not us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol that was funny Mussa, but considering the seriousness of wackos murdering people because they are gay, I think a bit callous. Just because a group engages in acts strictly forbidden by Torah, doesn't mean others can disregard Torah just as badly or worse by committing murder. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dennis Spain the beginnings of a nazi We already know your feelings Von Roth 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 bravo Mr Netanyahu it's never too late to learn eh? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again you two ... in here denigrating Judaism and glorifying pure evil in humanity. This is why we call you what you are VonRoth 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You two are anything but pro Israel. You constantly speak of everything Israel being evil and wrong. You constantly lie, trying to stir up trouble. It really disappoints me to see you neo nazis and arab terrorists in here messing up any useful discussion that may go on. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is comments like that Mussa that lead me to believe you are a worthless Palestinian terrorist dog of a human being. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And... what the bleep does gandhi or any other grandized figure in history have to do with what I said? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Of course John Q I hold nothing against you at all. I speak my piece and let it go. I actually have come to respect Ari H and many others in here who's ideology I differ with, but that doesn't mean I am going to tolerate being treated like a red headed stepchild by you or anyone else. I would rather go down fighting then quivering under my bed. Had you attacked me like that in person I would have punched you in the face. Not because I am violent but because you are trying to belittle me and NO ONE has that right. My family has been free since the days of Egypt thousands of years ago. For you to attack me the way you are is a sign of frustrated cowardice and that makes me ill. Re-read what I originally said and try to look at it from the point of view from someone who has been in the middle of conflict many times. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again John Q you are trying to turn this in to a personal fight instead of what it is. You were just offended by what I said not because it attacked you but because it questioned your assumed sense of superiority. This forum is for the expression of opinions concerning the issues written about not for you to pursue your personal argument or to outright lie about another poster as you have done with me on more then one occasion. As I said if you mix hard core orthodox Jews with Islamic zealots all trying to look devout in public you are going to have problems, but your nose is so far stuck up in the air you can't see any down to earth reality. Why don't you let it go? Is it because you neeeeeeeeeeed to get the last word in? Is it because you can't stand being questioned or dismissed? Why do you pursue beating a dead horse? My comments were honest and sincere. You didn't like them so you attacked me, defended Islam, and lied about me for which I am angry at you. A smart man would have shut up once he realized he jumped for no reason, but you just keep on coming. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H Melvin said he was taking his information from his internet research on positions held by John Q Public if I read it correctly and personally I really don't care what John Q says... he called me a foul republican. I remember your bout of attacks against me and I read your positions of weakness against things you should stand up for ( my opinion). The Christian Bible has a saying about being passionate about your stand be it one way or the other but neutral is nasty. This John Q got mad at me because i said Islam is a copycat religion which it is. It just changes the outcome of the red stew story. It makes the presumption that man can dictate to G-d what G-d wants. Basically all I was saying his idea of having Halal and Kashrut standards together in the same restaurant would only lead to trouble because the usurper always hates the original. See for yourself in the middle east today. His response was that i was some sort of hard core evil republican and I can only assume it is because his moslem sensibilities (talk about an oxymoron) were offended. This is a Jewish news site, not a forum for atheists and Islamic terrorists. This is not the place for neo nazis or humanists like you Ari H to argue your deceptive points. This is a Jewish news site that gives us the chance to discuss our take on the issues presented. There are a lot of sites where the non-Jew viewpoint is proliferated and if thats what you want then go there instead of here. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili I think you are merely a plant of the republican party and you do not honestly reflect your views. I think you distort everything and try to come off like you are the calm quiet mediator. Anyone who has read many of your posts knows better then that. Your position tends to be that of the mindless right wing hate monger John Q is accusing me of being. In my opinion you need to stop treating people who disagree with you (meaning mostly everyone) as mindless children and start treating them with a little respect. Me... I'll just continue to be as hard nosed as I can be to people who attack me, my family, my people, or Israel. That's because I have learned what comes of just letting it be... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yeah John Q my last post was pretty sarcastic, but your false sophistication really tears at me. Your history is wrong, your insinuations against me are wrong, and your stance against Judaism is also wrong. Maybe you are getting your education from Islam instead of reality. I don't really know. I do your comments towards me have made me a bit angry. So in one area I guess you were almost right.... almost. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q Public you are insulting, hateful, and historically stupid. Maybe you should attempt to learn a little about the crap you spew before you spew it. I do not echo the GOP anything. Islam is a copy religion of Judaism with emphasis on oppression and war with many similarities to very old skool Judaism. You sound like a godless idiot to me and if that is your flavor have it your way, but you are going to spout your self righteous pseudo education as if you know what you are talking about, so keep your personal attacks to yourself will ya? How about starting with elementary school history and working your way up to grown up history. Read about the foundation of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Try to actually learn a little before you shoot your silly little mouth off. Just thinking you are an intelligent well educated person doesn't make you one. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cantor may be a fellow Jew and as such I give him respect but having witnessed his performance concerning the Health Care issue and a few others I don't find much to congratulate him on. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland JD is for tunas with no taste... grab some knob creek. It's real Kentucky bourbon none of that Tennessee imitation whiskey. Van Roth are you really that dense? Rocky I live in one of the largest cities in the United States. We have approximately 3 kosher restaurants... period. There are a few (and I mean a few) kosher groceries, but for the most part I have to make do with the best I can come up with. While most of the Synagogues have a good supplier of Kosher products, I am pretty much unable to comply. I don't live in a concentrated Jewish area. The thing is Rocky we are supposed to live Kosher lives. Kosher food can be very good for you and it is definitely healthier then what else is served as food for the most part. As far as that enlightened Dr Dios goes. There is absolutely nothing enlightening about a Jew who has given up his heritage. There is a reason... a very good one... why we as Jews are supposed to follow Torah. By the way Rocky the beef suppliers lie. They don't watch the cattle being raised. They buy the beef at the rail yards and send it to the packing houses where they are bludgeoned to death in a two step process. Kosher beef is bled out first. An important step. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 mussa aliwat so... there's an internet connection at your insane asylum. Don't you think you need to get back on your medication? Maybe some Haldol and Cogentin? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol phili are you sure you aren't a relative? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 ya can lead a horse to water but if you drown em you'll have to walk home... don't cut off your nose to spite your face blackie. Von Roth or whatever is just another person believing the false rhetoric of the anti-Semites. (OH did you know that Arabs are a Semitic people too?) We can't condemn everyone who blames the Jew for their own failings. We would end up condemning most of the world today. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili you are preaching lie after lie. You twist truth and blindly accept what your leader shoves down your throat. You say you are a Jew and I say you are just a fascist Hebrew pretending his oppressive vendetta against the ways of Ha-Shem are Jewish. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Von Roth it is the things you say that cause the reaction you're getting. It may be that you honestly don't understand why, but that would be your loss. Jews are a peculiar breed Sandori. We tend to oppose those who's philosophies include decimating our land or murdering our people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa you have crossed the line. While I as a conservative Jew believe Kashrut should be the domain of Orthodox Jewry I find your hateful accusations morally reprehensible and a personal attack on me. Mussa...I would love to grab you by the hair if you had any and beat you senseless with my bare hands... you offensive little punk. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If such a prosecution were to take place that would be an open act of war. Oh if only I were in charge... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 An educated person would realize that the democrats of today would be likened to the intellectuals and activists of the early thirties who stood up against the Nazi party. The Nazi party of Adolf's Germany is much more accurately akin to the Republican party. Look at it's points of philosophy and ideology. While it screams individualism and free markets, it actually vehemently opposes every attempt to create them. Their hero is Ronald Reagan who did more to create a National Socialistic government in the United States then anyone...including Dwight Eisenhower... the very first fascist president. For Mussa Aliwat to claim democrats are both nazis and communists merely shows his stupidity and ignorance, both of which have been abundantly clear on numerous earlier posts. What truly shocks me is the willingness of Jews to embrace the republican version of National Socialism as some form of moral path to take to save freedom and morality for all citizens. That is right out of Hitler's book. Remember it wasn't Hitler that invented it. He just took control of it once he gained absolute power. I am also very concerned with the lack of education the general poster in here has concerning political science and the various forms of government employed throughout the world today. Try to remember the ones trying to lead through fear and falsehood always willing to accuse the other of being exactly what they are... those are the nazis. DTM I know what a Nazi is. I don't need your humanistic slant on reality to cloud the issue. I am not confused. I am one who has dedicated his life to the social cause. I am pretty disgusted by the ignorance, stupidity, and hate spewed around here in an excuse for blaming others for what they themselves are doing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 dtm National Socialism is what Nazi means. It is a particular type of political philosophy of the fascist blend brought to fame by Adolf Hitler in the early thirties. It is a particular form of government based on racial superiority and the usual tenets of fascism. It has been in practice by central and south american governments for decades supported by various republican regimes in the United States. The facts of life in areas like that should make it clear to Jews they need to leave those areas but apparently those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 NO Von Roth its your words and stands on issues that make you a racist etc. Your name sounds dutch to me and that would be anticlimactic for you to also be a National Socialist... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Von Roth why are you here? I would rather trust Israeli Intelligence. If Arkady is right I would be concerned, besides they will buy their first one. The United States, alas the land I live in, hasn't had a competent Intelligence agency since Richard Nixon. I would say they are naive, but that would be far too nice. It's more like a bucket of idiots.trying to catch slugs on the bottom of the bucket. It's too bad the republicans stocked the pond with ideologues instead of competent players. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bravo Sterling Rand very astute... your post shows significant insight. However, I would like to point out that John Q Public has a good point concerning our "high standards". While a genuinely good and moral person would not consider these high standards they are higher then nearly every one else. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q. Public we have Arabs and Jews eating out of the same trough now and the entire world is involved in trying to stop the violence. Learn from that would you? Furthermore... I don't really know, but I would assume Kahsrut is more strict the Halal since pretty much every thing about Islam is kind of a second rate imitation of Judaism with more anger and oppressive leaders with a stricter dress code... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 To hell with you Robinson and take that Obama with you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Truly someone worthy of recognition 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 come on people... at least some of you are better then that I would hope. The truth is no one will really ever know because there was no autopsy performed. That is in accordance with Islam so no foul there either. Fatah is merely trying to incite the crowd with baseless accusations. If it causes two thousand more Arabs to stand in front of Israeli machine guns... so what? They want to be martyrs anyway. One day all these issues will be resolved , but it won't be the Arabs that do it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Beatrice Stein, Cheryl is no liberal. She is one of those hard core believers in the oppression of others, but she wants to be allowed to do as she wants. In other words she is a republican. Yes, she is delusional and yes she is uninformed... like I said she is a republican. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Von Roth, Fernando, and the rest of you Nazis and Arab sympathizers. To hell with you! This Robinson person is a vile lie spewing excrement of a human being desirous of the destruction of Israel and the murder of all Jews everywhere. There is NO excuse for President Obama giving this horrible woman any recognition at all. His action has turned me away from anything he may do or say. I am no longer in his corner. All of you who want to be on board with this person of contemptuous ideology are no different then the murderous Palestinian who runs into the yard of an Israeli family and brutally kills innocent children. I consider all of you my sworn enemies. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gary Katz, such differentiations already exist in legal codes of nearly all nations. There is no need to add special punishments because one group was targeted. The law should apply equally and not be based whether or not it was this group or that group targeted. Hate Crimes is another way to sneak totalitarianism into the legal system and should be denounced as what it is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Wow this one really brought the loonies out. I see all the bought and paid for republican zealots here and the Moslem plants masquerading as Jews... While I still disagree with you Ari H on most of your opinions at least you are a calm collected generally accurate poster. This EU WEI CHOI is a habitual rabid dog of a person. What a loser...even worse then you Phili. Mr. Steinlight while I am opposed to your obvious republican mantra and brain dead game saying you are definitely right about hate crimes legislation and I also applaud Mr. Harris' staunch criticism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I should have finished my last post with this... The point is the law should be applied equally to all and without prejudice as the US Constitution states (for the USA) and people found breaking it should be tried by a jury of their peers and their outcome should be determined by just deliberation and the proper result undertaken from that point, whether you murder a gay or a business man on his way home by robbery.... whether you steal, rob, or sneak in to the country illegally to make money and scam the IRS with phony claims. There should NOT be special considerations pro or con for people simply because they belong to either a special interest group or a minority group because that is NOT equal justice under the law. That is racial prejudice and promotes bigotry and hate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This article is right on the money. I am glad there still are people with common sense and the courage to state it. The way politicians suck up to the vocal fringe of minority groups is really disgusting. If you keep dividing into classes or groups we are all minorities. I guess that would make us the majority eh? Hate Crime legislation in the United States is a direct violation of the Constitution and any supreme court judge who supports it is unfit to be one. There is to be one law for all people! Take the blacks for example.... no offense meant to anyone of any race creed or color... they make up approximately 13 percent of the United States population but political fear has given them guarantees no other group gets in hiring, education, etc etc. Now it is clear even to me that a lot of blacks really are discriminated against and I find that appalling in this day and age but that doesn't excuse the over compensation given to them because of no other reason but color. That itself is a violation of the constitution. Take the way the illegal immigrants are protesting for rights and privileged NOT due them. As criminals (because by law they are) they should be rounded up taken to court and properly disposed of. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady you are just stupid. I understand why you look like an idiot. Mr Lambert on the other hand is one of those planted republicans trying to insert lie and fear in to any discussion so that his crowd of evil abusers can return to power in the US. After these greedy criminals ran the nation in to the ground and stole every last dollar they could get their hands on they are trying very hard to stymie any positive achievements and blame the mess they made on the current President. They are looking ahead to steal the next election and further run us in to the ground. People like Lambert who sell their soul to back a wicked group of evil men should be run out of town on a rail. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 who is marc paige? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I must reiterate Len Katzman...I may not agree with the homosexual issue and I definitely believe their presence in G-d's holy land is a perversion we will all pay for, I strongly oppose the violence perpetrated against them or anyone not directly involved in murdering my fellows. These are issues for G-d to deal with not me. I have the right of choice and I choose not to be like them. I also choose to accept them as human beings with the same rights and privileges as me, but then I live in the United States where such is taken for granted by those not suffering from the lack of it. I just feel I must make clear where I draw the line. If G-d would vindicate the gay and remove the prohibition I would take it in stride, but so far He hasn't. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Len Katzman yes G-d did create these people but they became gay on their own. The hogwash that they were born that way contradicts the words of G-d. The fact that you are trying to legitimize their perversion and blame it on Ha-Shem says a lot about your position and further more likening me to a fool crying fire in a crowded theater is a very evil attempt by you to blame me for the actions of others...oh wait you blame G-d too... You are twisting words to try and make your invalid point appear valid. I suppose you think G-d is the cause of that too. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I lament the taking of lives no matter what the life represented. I hold life sacred. It's the one thing you can take but never give back. I wholly disagree with the homosexual lifestyle but I completely disagree with murder and persecution as well. The way I feel about homosexuality is I just don't have to be a part of it. I believe it is wrong so I steer away from it. I surely don't think I have the right or duty to eradicate it. That is for Ha-Shem. I do not assume the role of G-d. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There is nothing innocent about a practicing homosexual. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl if that is who you really are... you are beginning to sound like a familiar ranter... you are seriously misinformed. The Saudis are like Republicans. They sit on the sidelines stirring up trouble, providing arms, ammunition, and training to the Palestinians and goading them in to fighting yet publicly they call for peace and happiness. The Saudi kingships are the most vile and decadent examples of Islam that exists today, living in lavish excess while the general population lives under their oppressive rule. The Saudis want Israel gone and all Jews dead. The Saudis are no different from most Arabs except for the fact that they are pushing others off the cliff instead of jumping off themselves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H most crimes are crimes of disdain. Hate is another yet stronger word for that. The reason we have a justice system is to hold everyone to the same even keel when it comes to punishment. Calling something a hate crime and making the punishment more severe as a result is for the judge at the time not some blended one size fits all standard from politicians. Hate Crime proponents are very seriously endangering the legal bodies worldwide with their over zealous attempts to make crimes against their personal communities more heinous then others and Gays are constantly trying to exert more rights and privileges under the guise of always being persecuted. There is a reason the majority of non perverted people are uncomfortable with them Ari H. I believe in tolerance of others so I accept them for what they are but I don't yield them any special considerations. They can have what I get... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl as hard as this is for me to say... I agree with Ari H this time. You are condemning before you know what you are condemning. Sounds like a closed mind to me. Coming from one who is not very familiar with the ways of Judaism I find that a bit disturbing. You thought the Noahide commandments were something the gentiles made up... I hope still your "tongue" for a while and open your eyes a little wider. Take a chance... find out what is being discussed before you condemn the discussion. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 These people were not Orthodox they were cultists. They were Chasidic. That group has long claimed to be ultra-conservative but I find no support for their claim. A Jew is a precious soul belonging to Ha-Shem, but a Jew without Ha-Shem is just a Hebrew and as such your comments mean nothing to me Arkady. As far as you are concerned Mr. Dios, I am a descendent of the Sephardic people who ended up here as a result of the Spanish expulsion. Are you a Ger sir? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Murder is a criminal act of heinous proportions. Ya know what else is heinous? The proliferation of homosexuality as a normal acceptable lifestyle especially in the land Ha-Shem gave us as an inheritance. As callous as that may make me look in the eyes of the confused, I am not advocating any sort of vicious activity towards anyone regardless of their sexual persuasion but honestly people.... just how sick in the head do you have to be? I hope the people who did this horrible act are caught and punished accordingly. I also hope G-d rids Israel of homosexuals. Hey... its what I think. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And yes I am a very strong conservative supporter of Israel and moral values common to all mankind. I am not a fascist however. I am NOT a republican. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 LOL you are crazy blackie. I don't seethe with hate but Ive seen first hand and no amount of your propaganda will change that. The Republican party is less then 20 percent of the US population but in that 20% are the 1% that own the companies that produce and install the voting machines, control the media (ever since Rupert Murdoch's unconstitutional gain of one of the largest media shares in the country), and run the financial industry. These people have stacked the deck against the general population for decades and now that they have raped the entire nation of every nickel they could steal they tap in to the tax rolls and get "bail outs" while the average American suffers. You defend this practice with your support of them blackie. You need to take a look at the real world instead of the hate mongers at fox news ( a rupert murdoch outlet). You need to take a look at the data provided by both the Office of Information and the GAO blackie. You need to research the people you are supporting by applying the age old rule.... follow the money. You need to get off my back because, unlike your average Republican, I am not a coward and I have spent most of my adult life fighting for the rights of average and poor to keep their families fed in one of the richest nations on earth...ever. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 correction that was supposed to say minority not majority. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 blackie... tsk tsk. Yes there are crooks in every corner of political and financial life. Its the nature of the beast, but generally speaking the Democratic party has always stood up for the working class and poor of this country (USA) and that can be proven by bill passage and actual studies on economic conditions during regime tenures. The republican party became a wicked power grabbing group of businessmen and lobbyists right about the time Dwight D took office. Why Richard Nixon cried on television when he learned that all the money his friends had paid to buy him the election was for naught because the average American got out and voted...something the republican party historically tries to stop. The same thing happened to get Obama elected and the reason for this was the far too obvious greed and corruption exhibited by the GW Bush administration and it's calloused ignoring of Constitutional law and the values of the American people. Just because you side with these criminals in Armani suits doesn't make you right. It just makes you right wing. Speaking of wings.... birds of a feather flock together. Rev Wright is a bigoted nut case as are many black people in the United States. Even so I am sure he and those like him make up only a small majority as with most people, even blacks share the same wants and desires as every other race of humanity on earth and here in the USA they are supposed to be able to achieve it. President Obama is not the wicked person of hidden agendas your insinuations try to attest. Judge Sotomayor is however. So is Hillary Clinton. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Shuster, with respect, I want to point out that Joe Lieberman was a butt wiper for the wicked Bush regime. His position on torture, lying to the American public, engaging in illegal wars for profit, and cutting back on freedoms guaranteed by the United States Constitution is why I call him what he is. YOU may think those are admirable traits but I don't. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes Ari H Police corruption and oppression complete with false prosecutions and accusations do occur all the time. Getting caught and then doing something about it is what is rare. Even in the United States police and Justice System corruption is way out of control. Fernando you are basically just an ignorant offensive loud mouth. John Q. Public please try to remember what "right wing" means. It is a ad campaign term that actually means the right side of the house of congress and has been intentionally mislabelled by both sides to mean one thing or the other neither which is true. The U.S. Republican party is very corrupt, dishonest, thieving, and oppressive in it's attempts to hang on to its ill gotten wealth and power, but not everyone with a conservative bend is that way. As far as Lieberman goes (Israeli minister not that turncoat American Senator) I don' know about his alleged criminal activity. I do know he has stood up for Torah and Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili I can't speak for everyone like you seem to attempt. I can say from the hundreds if not thousands of returning Iraqi vets I spoke with less then 5% identified with the republicans, GW Bush, or the war so many of their friends died or were horribly maimed in. Some try to lend themselves to the ideology of the war proponents to rationalize their own value in it. While every soldier who valiantly obeys his or her orders and purposefully enters in to mortal combat is a blessing to us and their glory should always be remembered fondly, those who put us in that war are vile abusers of the public trust, felonious violators of the United States Constitution and morally bankrupt human beings trading the blood of our children for their own selfish gain. There is no rational excuse for backing that horrible waste of humanity and shame upon our good name. You fancy yourself the bull of the woods, but the sad reality you are merely another pawn of hate brokers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I know nothing of the kind. That is an assumption on your part as far as I know. I see no logical reason at all for anyone to take the side of the Arab on many issues unless they are Arab themselves. The reason being most of the Arab positions are contrived and invented by people with dark intentions. I know you disagree Ari H. As far as Milk goes he was not anything but a mediocre political figure in the lower end of government. His election was the direct result of the gay liberation army's efforts to put homosexuals in local government. I am not saying he didn't do his job. I am just saying the only reason he claims any notoriety is because an ex gay lover shot him and the Mayor. Now that is the to the best of my recollection being there less then 200 yds away when it occurred and hearing first hand what was said. I know that as time passes memories become jaded and issues become foggy... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If the deeds to the properties were in Jewish hands free clear what were the Palestinian families doing living there? If the land was swindled out of their control and then they were evicted something needs to be done because we are to be honorable in all our dealings. I am confused because I don't have all the facts. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well.. my feelings towards the legitimizing of homosexuals in the Jewish community not withstanding... murder is murder. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stephen Olson I was there. Where were you? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again Mussa you talk like an Arab hate monger. Hmmm I wonder why that is? Harvey Milk was a homosexual and as such is not someone who Ha-Shem would consider an honorable person. Giving him an award because his jilted homosexual lover shot him and another man out of jealous perversion is no reason to be awarded anything but an unmarked grave outside of a Jewish cemetary. Mrs. Brinker has, on the other hand, performed a great service to millions. Lumping her in with Harvey is just wrong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl your usual penchant for poison words actually fits the bill this time. Madonna is a wretched fool with no moral values and even less self discipline. Her actions are of a wanton abuser with no restraint. You do, however, speak as if you are part of the "group" that decides what is right and what is wrong. You are the usual hard nosed republican oppressor. You forget, perhaps, what our (as Jewish) modes operandi is supposed to be. Maybe its that influence from your right wing fascist...err I mean Christian...other half? I too am disgusted with the behavior of Madonna and her use of money to push her way in to Kabbalah, especially with one of her many concubines (the last one was named Jesus no less), but if the Rabbis didn't want her they wouldn't have taken the money. Oh Snap! Toleration of others is kind of the way we are supposed to be Cheryl. Now I know I am guilty of hard nosed verbal onslaught of those pushing two state solutions for Israel, liars trying to trick us in to believing their oppressive tales of fiction, and other just plain mean people who accuse us of being all sorts of terrible things because we don't agree with them, but in reality I am very patient and extremely tolerant...well considering how I used to be... It's all a matter of degrees right? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I believe, basically, these groups are out of sync with the forward motion of society and they react out of fear in hateful and violent ways. They are doing every thing they can to keep things they way they believe they used to be, but since their vision has only been a ill remembered delusion of a past, they scramble to get a grasp on things, yet the harder they try the faster it appears it slips away. It is high time the Orthodox and Conservative Rabbis pour over the Torah and spell out to these wayward borderline nut cases where they go wrong and why, if you have faith Ha-Shem is indeed supreme, you don't really have to worry about these things. It is for us to do what we are responsible for not to force others to see our way. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Cheryl Mavrikos I would think you are more of a worshipper of the Karl Rove school of oppressive abuse. A Noahide is a gentile follower of the Noahide commandments. Perhaps a little Jewish history could help you? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I was told the Haredi are a self proclaimed ultra orthodox sect of Judaism and really they don't follow orthodox Judaism. They are basically a violent and secretive group of self righteous abusers of others. Now, I have no real personal experience with these groups but I have read the news reports of what they do to their own children and to others who don't see things their way... I don't see where their actions have any correlation to Torah at all. Fearful hate is all I see from them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady I thought I recognized that broken English, incomplete sentences. and erratic thought... You are also Mussa aren't you? You both preach the same lie. We already know David R Evans and his counterpart David something or other are in here to foster argument and confusion, but you are just confusion on the hoof arent you? You slander people you have absolutely no knowledge of and your level of education is clearly just above cave man. That in itself brings no shame, but your attack on me is really ill conceived and intentionally inciting. You do this with purpose because you think yourself the only true kind of Jew or the only true kind of whatever you are... but my position is clear as is stated in the above two posts. This has been my position and will remain my position. Try to formulate some simple sentences with complete thoughts and express how you really feel... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In truth a rather large portion of the Arab population is nothing but liars, and vicious usurpers of what G-d gave us. It's not even that its a whole lot. They have a whole lot more! They, like two dogs in a yard with bones and toys want what is ours simply because we want it and they hate us because G-d showed us favor... not realizing the price for that favor. Islam has degenerated in to a Jew Haters club where evil wicked men oppress their women, deceive their children, and try to hide their wicked intent in dress of white. They make a great ceremony of cleansing and loudly proclaim their faith in their version of G-d yet they murder, steal, cheat, and abuse women and children. There is no validation for these groups of people and are no better then the Nazis and other hate groups, but still they are our brothers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H as I have said before... any one who takes the side of giving Arabs G-d given Jewish inheritance is not a follower of Torah, not a Jew of conviction, and while it may be true their support could simply be a mistake due to inaccurate education, it is totally contrary to the word Ha-Shem put in all our hearts. "This land shall be as an inheritance for you and your heritage forever" I don't want to alienate any person, especially of the Jewish persuasion, but there must be a time when one has to stand up for what is right and Ha-Shem determines what is right and what is wrong. It is our responsibility to follow that dictate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 mussa almost every post you have made is clearly anit Semitic yet you try to twist the truth around. It is not going to fool anyone. The death of a young Jewish girl is important information to Jewish people Mussa, but since life is so cheap to you moslems... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 so Cheryl what republican hate group do you belong to ? What other name do you post your hate under? I think the best way to rebuild Gaza is to remove the Arabs and start from scratch. While I do oppose the Arab occupation of Israeli land I do not want to foster hatred with falsehood and use fear. Ari H rebuilding the Infrastructure of Gaza for the Arab will not achieve anything but furthering terrorist attacks o Israeli citizens. These people believe the Jews are to blame for all their problems. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili you are actually the sound of reason here... someone call the guinness book people! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa I bet you think it newsworthy when one of your terrorist buddies kills himself blowing up a bus full of Jewish school children though... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yosef so you are what.. an Arab, an apologetic reform Jew, or some other weakling like a european or something? Have you no faith in Ha-Shem ? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This forum has turned in to a propaganda voice by wicked far right United States republican interests and Arab terrorists. This is disgusting. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 eu wei choi keep talking your trash you cowardly little hitler... the 12-20 percent republican movement in the United States was so badly beaten in the last election even their crooked voting machines couldn't sway it. If it was up to me we would go from door to door dragging you cold hearted murderous (expletives) out, putting you up against a wall and shooting you. Since that is kind of frowned on by more polite sections of society, which you greedy pieces of crap do NOT belong to, the majority of the United States will simply ignore you and your lying tongue. Personally I hope you burn in your hell forever. All you try to do is dissuade people with lies and fear. You have no truth in you and you do not follow Torah. Most people (which means mostly democrats because most American citizens ARE democrats) are somewhere in the middle not in the far extremes like you are. If you really think we are going to put up with your evil trickery and disgustingly immoral ways masqueraded as G-d fearing decent people, you are only fooling yourself. By the way... the lying element in here will disagree but I never met a republican in the foxhole... those cowards were hiding in college and running to canada or using daddy to get them cushy national guard positions (right GW Bush?). 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 better then being a nazi sympathizer like you terry rowe. Ari H. Phili is apparently suffering mental issues. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H there are a lot more then that but I do believe they are coming from a single terrorist propaganda cell. I just haven't found them yet. I am looking. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 eu wei choi I am a democrat and democrats sit in the left wing in congress. Republicans sit in the right wing and use lies and money from their wicked bosses to cheat the American people out of their heritage. Since you are trying to polarize this with your horrible fascist rant I will catalogue you with the rest of the wicked and rarely will you read a kind word from me. I choose G-d, humanity, and the compassion that is Torah. You choose greed oppression and lie. You've made your bed. Rahm is a Reform Jew if Im not mistaken. Most of these posts are from one source using several different names all with the anti Jew flavor. I still think the best solution is to wage war against the arab until there are nearly none left, but I will leave that up to Ha-Shem. Mussa Aliwat I am a sephardic Jew and I would rather you take a long walk off a short pier. Until Israel's borders are returned to the ancient ones G-d himself set I will not rest. All those who try to appease the wicked by desiring a two state solution or stopping Jewish settlements be damned. May Ha-Shem deal with them in a most definite way. All the lies, excuses, twists of history, and downright vicious attacks against Israel and Judaism are merely to sway the opinion of the world against Judaism so that the wickedness that is Islam can take possession of that which they will never own. Israel only flourishes when occupied by those Ha-Shem saw fit to give it to. All of you usurpers are without merit. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I wouldn't be surprised if the so called americans for peace is an organization of palestinians or funded by them 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Evans ...Liar! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Beatrice these posts are from Moslems pretending to be something else. They have no education or foundation in history, only what their lying imams tell them to say. It does no good to argue with them. They come on here with English sounding names and sometimes Jewish ones pretending to be this person or that person of respect and authority when in reality they are merely lying arab dogs of humanity, trying to foster sympathy for their murderous rampages and hatred for all Jews. Their best customer is the silly humanist who is ignorant of world events and falls for the weeping story of these jackals of disgust. You cannot let them get to you. They will never stop their campaign of lies and death until Ha-Shem removes them from existence. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well... all you lying Islamic scumbags in one place! What a treat. Let us remember that these Syrian immigrants and descendants were Syrian first and Jews second. They engaged in Syrian types of businesses and lived with the Syrian value system. There's was a closed community far removed from what the mainstream definition of Jewish ethics is. My sadness is these were also Sephardic as is my family, but I assure we would never trade humanity or Torah for money. As for the hate squeezed out of the nether regions of people like Phili Alawal, Mussa Aliwat, etc... (bleep) off! Ms Freeh I live in Dallas and know full well from personal experience the depth of law enforcement and criminal justice system depravity and wanton disregard for the law. I also have seen good honest loyal police officers put their lives on the line in heroic glory to save people they didn't know. I have seen Judges go the extra mile to make sure an innocent defendant is discovered and thus acquitted (myself included) and yes I have witnessed crooked lawyers and district attorneys throw innocent people under the bus for their own gain. We have a very corrupt situation here in Dallas TX, but we are doing what we can and for every crooked cop and dishonest lawyer and judge there are many more honest hard working dedicated members of the legal community trying hard to make things work the right way. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My concern is for the sudden insurgence of Islamic hate mongers like mussa aliwat and his kind in to the forums of JTA. These people are only trying to stir up hatred against Jewish people and defame Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mussa Ailwat I didn't think it was allowed for you muslims to read or go to a real school so how can you write as well? You need to stay in your own league. You can't really deal with educated people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I do see Mr. Shuster that you too see right through Terry Rowe 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What a load of bull crud Terry Rowe... you are simply a Jew hater trying to make eloquent excuses for your unjustifiable bigotry. You are constantly insulting and attacking us at every turn insinuating we are everything from Gay to communist, to running an apartheid state. You say we are cold hearted murderers of innocent people, and that we cause most of the evil in the world. You make your vicious claims and when people respond angrily because of your horrible state of hate you come back as if you've been offended by the harshness of our response and you act like you are a kind man only looking for the truth. You sir act just like a Nazi. Your attitude and desires are clear. I really don't care what you claim, but if you really are looking for confrontation, i would take you on any time your wicked little heart of evil desires. Jews aren't the scared little cowards you seem to think they are. Mr. Shuster a liberal is one who believes humanity is basically worth saving and that society should be given free will to decide for itself its own destiny not be corralled in to the oppressive doctrines of evil groups of people who begin their self description with "right". There is nothing correct among you and the term honestly means the right side of the house of congress. Even your self described definition is an intentional lie. Thoroughly Disgusted your screen name should be thoroughly disgusting. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Terry Rowe, you say you are Airborne you say you are a VNE vet. In my opinion, based on your posts which I do not find tongue in cheek in any way, I think you are nothing but a contemptuous neo-nazi wannabe closet mercenary. Most units I was in would have run you out of them for your obvious bias and hatred. As a VNE vet myself and a long serving member of the United States Military I find your statements and your claim of a fellow soldier offensive. You express hatred for my people and that includes me. If you are Airborne as you claim you should know better then to piss people like me off. Tell me what your tat says. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is hard to believe any one with the hatred Rowe carries around would be in Airborne for 20 and seriously hard to believe he went the full monty. Probably lying about that too. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Why do you insist on posting in here Terry Rowe? You obviously hate G-d, Jews and Israel. You try only to sow the seeds of hatred and terrorism. What purpose do you serve by coming in here and attacking us with your calm nazi like demeanor>? ?]]> 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili you really need to crawl back in to your hole. It was reported these Rabbis were trafficking in vital organs like livers and kidneys as well. It was this enterprise that caught the attention of law enforcement. Rabbis ARE supposed to be a cut above and yes the Rabbinical path has been littered with political aspirations and greed of those who should have been kicked out of Yeshiva. We used to have higher standards, but I hear most of our older wiser Rabbis were murdered by the Nazis. One person said they didn't understand why an evil act of a Jew effects all Jews. Someone get that man a Rabbi... an honest one. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 So... what's new? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 One down about 110 million more to go 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hamas, as a matter of fact pretty much every Arab leader behaves this way. If you don't do what Hamas says you will either be chased out or killed. I was pretty discouraged when the IDF pulled out of Gaza while even one Hamas leader was still breathing. These people are our sworn enemies. They have taken oaths to dedicate themselves to the death of all Jews. These are not nice people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sanctions? if you have the time its a worth while effort but when dealing with Nuclear Weapons its not really a good choice of strategies. The best chance of preventing a rogue state like Iran from using such weaponry once it gets its hands on one is to prevent it from being able to. Destroy its roads, bomb its buildings, decimate its armies, obliterate its air force, and make it unable to mount any effective attack no matter how small it may be... Then drop food, water, and medicines to help the people get to a point they can help themselves. Track down the leaders who led the nation in to such wanton evil and either lock them away in some deep dark dungeon or execute them. Make a very loud statement that this behavior will NOT be tolerated in the world community any longer. You're next North Korea... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 One final note Sandra. I, being a Jew, do NOT think most of the Jews are murderers. I know a lot of them and no murderers to the best of my knowledge. My ILK as you put it are Jewish Conservatives (not right wing supporters of a fascist state). We follow the Torah and hold all life sacred. We do not kill unarmed young Jewish women especially when they pose no danger at all to anyone. This was not an issue of her supporting a Palestinian state as it has been morphed in to. She was opposing the bulldozing of peoples homes leaving families with nothing and no where to go. I am the director of a very large homeless outreach in the United States and I can definitely understand where she was coming from, What I can't understand is the completely un Jewish way you and others support this evil murderous act that makes every single one of us look like vulgar barbarians. So many lies have been spread to prevent a fair look at what was done, I think to keep the people who are responsible from having to deal with their wickedness. Ha-Shem will not let them escape it Sandra. This one act did more harm to Judaism then a thousand acts of Palestinian terror. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Shuster I see where you misunderstood. I was using an analogy to say its not Ms Corrie's fault the bulldozer ran over her. It was the driver of the bulldozer who intentionally murdered her with his machine. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sandra even though I am not much in favor of that hater of Jews, David Hicks, he is right. You should watch the well documented footage of this event. Even in the most favored of scenarios it is impossible, in my opinion, for this event to have been an accident. This was a cold blooded murder of an unarmed young woman who could not have threatened anyone if she tried. Mr. Shuster I did not say she was the homeowner i said your relating of the situation was not true. The bulldoser was knocking down houses of the Palestinians and she stood in front of the bulldozer. The driver calmly and callously ran her over and just ignored her as she lay dying in the mud, crushed by the tonnage of the machine. The video file of this incident clearly shows what happened. That is what the issue is. They don't want their fellow Jews to see the truth because it definitely will alter the opinions of many. Still that doesn't make me to want to legitimize the Arab living in the Jewish state. I'm saying that in this case it is very evident what happened. It only disgusts me to see my fellow Jews defending the event. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It says I am logged in as Melvyn Marquis... I am not I am Will Edwards and I think England is a victim of its own greed... its corrupt leadership and its desire for Arab oil. I say to hell with all of them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Shuster you are wrong Ms Corrie died as the result of an arrogant killer it is not the fault of the homeowner that the house is burgled. It is the fault of the burglar. It is not the fault of her or her beliefs but the fault of the man who ran her over. No excuses. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Edward Rosenblatt you try to elevate yourself to the position of G-d making judgements on people. You also don't know what you are talking about. She was run over by a bulldozer as it was preparing to tear down a Palestinian dwelling. I saw the film and was terribly shocked by the cold hearted murder of another human being...a Jew no less... by a heartless creature pretending to be human. I don't need your falsely self righteous lie. Ha-Shem will correct you for your assumption of His power. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Terry Rowe.. again you mention the warsaw ghetto and the Nazis. Again you try to insinuate evil with the Jews. Again you show yourself for the worthless pile of breathing pork you are. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 archie1954 you are absolutely right. Cheryl and Edwards are murderous in their hearts. They are not worth my time to reply to them. Thoroughly disgusted are you really trying to be an enemy of mine? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I saw the footage of this horrible act. If this is what my people have become I want no part of it. That was the act that made me question my heritage and my faith. I had to find some way to keep my faith so I looked towards a Messianic Temple. I later decided against it because I could not rationalize the concept, but I can definitely see the concept of this poor girls grizzly death. I am ashamed of my people for this horrible crime and total disregard for the lives of others... especially defenseless young women only trying to peacefully stand up for her misguided beliefs. She was a victim of propaganda but it was the intentional act of a Jewish brother that murdered her. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Douglas Jay Lambert. I take it you are not a student of history 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 As most people who frequent these posts can attest I am usually very hard core about maintaining the integrity of Israel and the proper borders of old. I am not one to sympathize with the Palestinian cause or with the Arab in general, but I remember the Corrie incident. I said then and I still believe today that was a shameless act of brutality against that young girl. To run over her like that and leave her laying in the mud crushed, bleeding, and dying. That was not the act of a moral person or society. That was the act of a heartlessly cruel person and one that should be condemned. There were far too many other ways of dealing with that situation. What was done was sadistically horrid and all of Judaism will suffer as a result. All of you in here that would defend that cowardly action must be so cold inside you don't see the depravity of it. May Ha-Shem burn the knowledge of this terrible wrong in to your souls forever. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H an evangelical is one who believes he or she must tell you about Christ, Christian values, and their stated hope of salvation by believing G-d incarnated Himself as a man, also that He was put to death by the Romans under the watchful eye of the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem, and he arose from the dead three days later. The many problems with this scenario not withstanding, they believe it their job to inform you of their "good news". These hard core right wing hate mongers are not evangelical Christians at all. They are wolves in poorly fitting sheep's clothing. The only thing they evangelize is hate, lies, and a philosophy of elitist llfestyle where abuse of others is ok. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 do these things come to you in dreams phili? Perhaps with the proper medication you may be able to live a normal life? I am not a fan of Hillary Clinton at all, but goodness Phili you just make stuff up as you go along. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland it really shakes me to hear of this. I (naively I suppose) expect Rabbis to hold a higher level of honesty and ethics because they are my spiritual teachers. My father is from New Jersey... There is a reason it used to be known as the garden state. How can a person be a crook and a Rabbi? I know this concept is nothing new and that makes me sad as well, but we must insist on our teachers to be of good moral character. I expect this out of christian preachers and leaders... its way too commonplace, but we, as Jews, need to cleanse our ranks of these wicked people... not from Judaism, but from being Rabbis. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I wish I could say I was immune from firing back angrily, but I can't. Still it does not show favorably when we do. Your attack against blackie is a bit personal eh? I am an emotional old soldier. While that doesn't excuse many of my responses it does explain them. You are supposed to be better then that aren't you... all pacifist n stuff... If you want to jump in the dog fighting pit then be prepared to get bitten by the bigger meaner dogs. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey Leland I'm an old Jew and I'm still ready to crack heads ... lol 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I apologize y'all but this mealy mouthed jerk really gets my goat. Most of the republicans who come in here all talk tough and try to use personal attack to win their way. They spread lie and distortion, pretend to be people they aren't and it just makes me angry. There are real and serious issues facing us today and we have to wade through the stench of these pitiful people. Ari H while you know I believe you are wrong I would still defend your right to your own opinion. I believe in freedom of choice and I have put my life on the line to defend it. I get so dangblasted disgusted at the things these would be oppressive monsters spew. Arrrrrgh!!! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Maybe you've never met a Texas Jew Phili...maybe its time you did. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili you are nothing but a piss ant trying to scare a size 12 boot with your shadow. Wise up b-head. This typical American Jew would pound you into the pavement if you said that to my face. While I agree Ari H is a bit on the apologetic side of the equation there is no reason for you to spout your lies and hate. People like you are cowards and cowards piss me right off Phili. You want to agitate and irritate from behind the curtain of this forum. You stink. However, you are right about the fence and the Arabs. So are you ari cohen. Still I think you arm chair dictators are more trouble then you're worth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari Cohen you are simply crazy Where do you come up with this crap? How do you expect the United States to stop Europe from trying to profit on Iran's ambitions against Israel and the U S? Maybe you think the same way Clinton, a two faced arab supporter, will create a ring of nuclear missiles controlled by neighboring Arab countries... Yeah that will make the world safer. She is talking crap and anyone with a brain knows it... even she knows it. She is trying to use her position to jockey for a presidential spot next election. She is trying to derail any success Obama may have. She is trying to curry favor with the Arabs while looking tough. Mr Lambert you seriously dont know what you are talking about. Ar H i cant believe you are that naive 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Not a single one of you know your Torah or the Christian Bible. I am shocked at all of you, especially you ari cohen trying to associate the US President with Islam in your sly inuendo. Shame on you 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In conclusion I state plainly these people are not followers of the one they call Christ. They follow money and power and believe in the philosophy known as fascism So... Please... stop insulting the few who actually do follow the ways of Christianity which with a few exceptions is very close to Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is also an edict of the pentecostal meeting and further substantiated by the founding preacher to the gentile, Paul who used to be Saul, that it was the duty of all faithful Christians to send regular gifts of money and goods to Israel to help maintain the Temple and Judaism. All these idiots who can't seem to understand that words actually have meaning tend to completely overlook these facts and side with a violent hard nosed oppressive version of "christianity" that does not resemble the faith founded by Yshua and implemented by Peter and the council of the pentecost. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 dacon9 you are stayed words put together to form false statements. What is your motive? Hagee is not one of those hard core pseudo christians. He may be a bit over the top but apparently he is one of the rare that actually believes and practices what he preaches. A Republican Christian is only a Christian in his own mind. His philosophy is fascist in ideology not Christian. Ari H if you had read the Christian Bible (new testament) you would see that evangelism and "right wing is an oxymoron. Those terms only go together when lying. The Christian rules were set up during the days of pentecost. The personal enrichment theory of the Republican so called Christian is NOT mentioned as a plus. As a matter of fact it is condemned. If anything the Christian faith is socialist by philosophy and definition, but lets not ruin this discussion with fact... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... its a duck 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 How about we just cut you off David Ehrens and beat you with the carrots? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Terry Rowe you are just another pseudo Arab who hates all things Jewish. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Michael Hess cut down the size of your picture... its cutting off your posts. I am against Arabs holding any Jewish land. I don't want the world to explode in to violence with innocent people on all sides suffering, but there is no genuine reason for the Arabs to want the land other then the fact they want to keep Jews out. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili please stop talking... Rob Brownstein the answer is yes David Ehrens you are just another trying to push your own agenda by insinuation and fear tactics. Tom Delay is just your average crook trying to use the feeble minded to enrich himself. He has no more belief in G-d or Christianity then the so called "Christian" think tank he founded that fleeced millions from many churches and organizations. He and another crook named Abramoff stole tens of millions of dollars from native American Indians in a double blind scam using another so called Christian youth leader in Abilene TX. OH shades of GW Bush!!! Most of these people are going to jail including Tom Delay. The only thing these people have in common with Christianity is they associate themselves with all the other flim flam crooks in Preachers clothing stealing millions from the above mentioned feeble minded so they can buy their way in to heaven. The criminality and corruption in the organized Christian religion found in the US is staggering and almost all encompassing. To complete the thought David, Tom Delay doesn't give a damn about anything but money and anyone but Tom Delay. Don't worry about him being a zionist. I worry more about your hatred for Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I will check that out. Thanks for keeping it honest. Jan Mr Godbarg is not a collaborator just because you don't like what he said. Hicks and Evans are most likely the same person and not a Jew at all. He is one of the most vicious haters of Judaism in here. Fernando your statements you claim came from the Bible did not. You are lying. Believe it or not there are some people in here who can actually read. Make your statements... tell your lies. No one believes you. You are just another anti-Semite trying to do your damage. Paul Palnik I have not heard it put quite like that yet and it gives me cause to think. I am going to do a bit of study and see if what you say is actually what Obama is doing. If so it is my duty to make the effort to turn public opinion 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 phili you are nothing but a mean spirited trouble maker... a would be bully. You simply hate. As such you feel right at home with the political party of hate. We don't listen to your kind any more. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili again you are nothing but an empty skull echoing the rhetoric and lies of a wicked fascist enterprise. Cantor is only trying to curry favor with important Jewish institutions as he tries to derail the health plan initiatives in Congress. You claim you were a valiant defender of all things Jewish yet all you do is scream hate and support that which is categorically un Jewish. Cantor may be yours , but yours is a rotten scoundrel full of lies and deceit standing in a 2000 dollar suit paid for by insurance company money while he tries very hard to sell your brethren in the United States down the river. David Ehrens you ungodly soul. Perhaps you forget our nation was founded on the Judeo-Christian values stated by the founding fathers so many times in many of their documents. Religious freedom was to be maintained so a separation of church and state was to be maintained. Presently the wicked worms of the republican party are trying to force feed us their version of religion to make themselves look good to the general idiot sitting in front of his television set. These people are no more faithful then you are. They are out to grab every bit of power and every single penny they can steal. They will use whatever treacherous lie they can. It is their nature. They are evil people wishing to enslave everyone else. There will be fools who believe them and there will be damned fools who fail to acknowledge G-d's hand in all things. There will also be those of us who stand for what is right in the eyes of Ha-Shem and in the hearts of men. Our struggle is only now starting to heat up and there will be many a day of suffering, but we will remain strong and we will win this fight. In G-d we trust is on our money. So help me G-d is our oath of testimony. G-d is an integral part of the very construction of this nation, but to prevent the wickedness that is now being used against us by the republicans in congress and across the nation we have the legal requirement to separate church and state. Not to suppress the reality of Ha-Shem in all we do, but to prevent man from twisting the word of G-d to fit his end and rule G-d's people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Fernando this is not a forum for you to preach your version of the world. This is a Jewish News forum. You are truly an ignorant person deserving of a serious wake up. You don't know what you are talking about at all. Why are you posting here? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H please stop this paranoid behavior. Some of my posts have gone missing too, yet postings from hate spewing Arabs and neo-nazis are still viewable. Posts are removed because people complain about them. I am sure I have appeared pretty offensive to the Arab and Apologist because I take the word of G-d seriously. It does affect my decision making process. Still I try to be fair. My world experiences have shown me that your way of things is definitely the wrong approach, but I still respect your right to speak your mind. I too am offended by a lot of things that Shaul and Phili say but they aren't as offensive as reading posts from David Hicks or David Evans who are blatant Jew haters. They even preach death to Jews and their removal from Israel. Their posts are still stinking up the comment sections of many articles here at JTA. If you take a look Ari H you will see there is a wave of anti-Semitism sweeping certain topics. Those are what I want removed! Your misguided statements are not of much concern to me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili in 1973 I was part of a military unit that was preparing to drop in to Israeli land at a moments notice because your Mr Nixon was afraid Israel was going to use nuclear weapons against the Arabs. We were not going there to join the Israelis in the fight. I am very glad that situation ended before any such action on our part was undertaken. To the best of my knowledge that operation has long been downgraded from secret so I am not violating my oath, but the seriousness of the situation felt by our US president forced him to do what was done. I really don't think it had anything to do with his personal feelings about Jews, because it was pretty well known he didn't care for Jews. He was more concerned with the rebellion of the American people who have always had a very fond bond with Israel. If you remember Mr. Nixon was already in some serious trouble. Mr. Nixon was usually in the halls of the white house with a bottle of whiskey in his hands cursing at the pictures of the former presidents from what I was told. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 As far as attributing help to Israel from Richard Nixon I agree. As far as GW Bush helping Israel that is patently false. He merely used his mouth to placate the stupid while he supplied the Arabs with billions and billions of weapons, training, and cash. His father is the one that gave the Taliban its weaponry and training. His money comes from the Saudi-Bin Laden corporation, and his personal statements have only belittled Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Katz both Mr. Hicks and Mr. Evans are most likely Arabs hiding behind English names. They already know they are pushing a false history. There job is to incite the doubtful against Jews. Fernando is bleeping crazy and another anti-Semite. A lot of these comments are historically incorrect and factually skewed. Tom please watch your language in here. Phili... you know I really don't care what you say. There has only been one post in your hundreds of postings that I read that wasn't hateful, abusive, and wrong, but go ahead and speak what little mind you have. If it were up to me people like Hicks and Evans would not be allowed to post on this site as they are definitely anti Jewish. Fernando is one of those crazy people like Mel Gibson who believes a falsehood based on a Catholic "press release" of the middle ages "In 1205, Pope Innocent III published official Church doctrine that saw Jews doomed to eternal damnation for the crucifixion of Jesus. This charge of deicide was the basis for much anti-Semitism throughout the Middle Ages. It wasn't until 1963, with the Second Vatican Council, that Church doctrine was revised." The Catholics (Christians)being members of the bloodiest religion ever to walk the face of the earth, have no right to accuse anyone of anything. They have spent 2000 years persecuting and murdering Jews, Moslems, and every other faith on Earth. I wonder where Fernando hails from. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Heh no point in commenting 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There are a lot of weirdo sects in any faith, common group, national origin, or whatever. To elevate them to some position of importance Al Goldstein is just plain stupid. My personal opinion is that these people should be arrested and incarcerated for cruelly suppressing the rights of others. Yes Mr Katzman that is a horrible example of bigotry and abuse. It should be dealt with harshly and very publicly so that a point could clearly be made. Again, let me reiterate not to throw the baby out with the bath water. Deal with the people doing the wrong and stop trying to blame the whole society for them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well I gotta tell ya Isadora... if they need any help coming for the Arabs, I'm their man. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland if you do rent that condo I'd like to come squat for a few weeks...if I could ever find my way to Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Linda you are absolutely right. It is people like this that brought the destruction of Israel so many times before. There are evil extremes on both ends of the spectrum and the violent self righteous zealots are violating the very statutes of Judaism they fearfully try to enforce. Attacking women and children is an act of cowardice and violence. These are not faithful Jews, but criminals no better then the taliban. Baer Israel is a land of laws and social ethics. You are wrong. Jeff you are an example of trying to get your way at the expense of everyone else. You don't sacrifice the many for the acts of a few. Israel wants to be seen as the state of Israel, refuge for the Jewish people on the earth. You hack a lot of misplaced ideology in your brief statement. Phili your response is calm collected and proper. I'm very impressed with you. Good job. Maskil you are making mountains out of mole hills. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Netanyahu is right and I applaud him for standing up. Phili is a bigot and a liar. David R. Evans is a Palestinian plant, Shaul and Phili may actually be the same person (they might as well be). Victor Galindo is a republican plant trying to use fear to scare people to voice against a national health plan for the United States. I think it is really nice of Israel to give Arab residents equal rights when Arabs don't get that in their own lands. Of course the world and the Arabs claim Israel is a vicious apartheid state. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 stuart I really don't know. I make my decision based on name and apparent personality. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili sorry to tell you this but you are just ordinarily stupid. Just plain stupid. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shecky.... Shaul constantly berates everyone and every group. He seems to think that he is the only Jew with intelligence or worthy of respect. His acidic pen has created the way posters in here relate to him. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H... not anywhere that I know of... maybe in your temple. Seriously Ari H what kind of Jew wants to give his birthright to the usurper? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 juban you are historically incorrect. Most American-Africans are immigrants after the age of slavery, but there are a significant number of slave descendants. Most of those tend to have "transmitted anger" from the past they want to blame on the present generation of people. The slaves had no choice in their coming to the United States and as a result should be respected as deserving the utmost in civil rights. The rest should as well because, after all, it is in our constitution. This thing about making separate classes of people based on historical past or racial origin needs to stop and should have a long time ago. This does NOT mean we should blindly accept wave after wave of immigrant... regardless of race, creed, or national origin. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hicks... you are the racist. Yet you claim anyone who opposes the evil murderous rampage that is the Palestinian cause a racist. You think by your recent adaptation of a more gentle tone in your vile slander on Judaism will make what you say acceptable, but it won't. You are still what you are. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 While I do agree that overwhelming response to these rocket attacks would make the rocket attacks a lot less desirable, I think those making the comments make such comments about everyone for everything. It seems to be what they do. The Arabs would never be able to launch rockets in to Israel if it were me making these decisions. I realize there are many who make that claim and I understand the gravity of such a claim. I also see the result of not doing it. When I was a kid they said sticks and stones will break my bones but names will never hurt me. In today's world we worry so much about the names we are called while allowing all the sticks and stones in the Arab arsenal to break the bones of our Jewish brothers and sisters. Politics my a**. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Denounce it with carpet bombing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I do not care at all what is welcomed by you David Hicks. You are not a friend to the Jew in any way. You are simply a very poor tool of the Arab terrorist. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Hicks you say Israel is an apartheid state, you claim Jews stole the land from the "Palestinians", you claim it is the Jews who are the terrorists and the Palestinians are merely trying in their feeble way to protect themselves. You sir are a liar, a scumbag, and an enemy to the Jewish People. I am a Jew. Let Ha-Shem give you your reward. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 arkady, shaul... I have many print outs of your posts over a broad range of subjects and the constant rhetoric from your posts is hate. Hatred towards everyone. I am really not concerned with how you two think of me. I have a very good relationship with Ha-Shem and most of my fellow Jews. I speak truthfully and I am not afraid to stand up for my beliefs. I have been "in the fight" and I know what I speak about. I have been through some very tough times both physically and spiritually and I have come to my conclusions through experience not imagination. I really don't care one little bit what you two bigoted hateful idiots say about me or anyone else in this matter. I am a man. I am a Jew, and I am NOT afraid of you. I guess basically what I am saying is... piss off. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Blackie no probably not... they've been busy trying to stay alive in peace themselves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 EXCUSE ME JTA... I am a Democrat American Conservative Jew who does NOT support a two state solution and I am with the majority of American Jews concerning this matter. To say those on the left, which means the democratic side of the House, support a two state solution is a clear misrepresentation of the facts. I would like a retraction sirs. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh yes David Hicks... you pro Arab Palestinian sympathizer... Please find some where else to spread your lies. I really find you a rather disgusting excuse for a human being. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Most of these comments are Lashon Ha-Ra Stuart and yes Shaul is a rather hateful person. I, however, am a bit concerned with letting thousands of Ethiopians in to Israel. Where I live the Ethiopian community is involved in con artist jobs, identity theft, rape, and robbery. They generally disregard social mores. A pirate in irons is full of guile and the darkest heart wears the broadest smile. Now, I cannot say this is the case of those in Ethiopia who are found to be legitimate Jews, but the Ethiopian society is not very disciplined or moral. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 LoL Leland you are right on the money there! Yeah at least Obama is an intelligent educated man. Shaul is so full of hatred and bitterness he must be all shrivelled up. There are a lot of good points made Leland, but the racists and the hate mongers and the idiots fill the comment areas with blather. We also have to contend with the plants who work hard to cause derision and anger. They carefully craft lies intended to scare people from accepting honest attempts at solving the problems. They know to solve the problems the great powers that be have to be brought down to a rational level. They would rather die then let that happen. There are a lot of resentments against gays and others but I would not call that pre-judgement. I would call that experience and caution. Living in a poor area like I do the minorities are the majority and believe me they appear to me to be very vicious criminally minded bullies. Now I am aware of the many more who simply work hard, care for their families, and bring glory to G-d in their love for their fellow man, but it is hard to see that for all the gangs and violence and wickedness I see every single day. The gays...well they are just plain nasty flamboyantly open and perverse. They breed contempt for themselves by their own lack of decorum. I have issues too I assume. So I guess you will have to lump me in that group of imperfect beings as well... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shaul Levy or whoever you really are... you are vile and bitter man of hate. I am so glad I'm not like you. At lease you can recognize מענטשלעכקייט I think what this man did was a wonderful act of genuine love for his employees and fellow man. He truly is a man loved by Ha-Shem. Stuart pay no attention to Shaul. He just likes to spew hate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 shut up Shaul 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady and Shaul... again you two show your ignorance and bias towards practically everybody. You blame the Jews, the leaders of Israel, the world leaders, the Christians, the Iranians, the Palestinians, the Europeans, the Americans... when do YOU accept responsibility for any thing? Shame on you two for your evil tongues. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 too much inbreeding ... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Patricia it's not... and there is no Santa Claus either... Ari H of course you would say its Israel's fault... Shaul Levy the british in their arrogance believe they could "give" Israel it's land back they took in the early 1900s in 1948 and before the ink was dry they took at least half of it back and gave it to a horribly offensive group of murderous terrorists who call themselves Palestinians and from day one we have had to fight just for the right to breath. I say to hell with Britain and all of its genetically weak and immoral people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Archie 1954 lol what Arab friends? Leland... yeah its way past due time to make Iran incapable of any outside aggressive act. I suggest about three weeks of round the clock carpet bombing... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shaul Levy I am the descendant of Sephardic Jews. I am a United States citizen. My family has been here since before there was a United States, brought here under the Spanish gun. I believe kindness and charity should be for all peoples...even the Palestinian... not just for Jews. You are a very bigoted and hateful person and I don't really know your heritage, but if I remember correctly G-d said a Jew was one who did as G-d commanded not because he was an accident at birth. You want to classify everyone by race. You need to try to learn to be more understanding of others. The Torah is not a book of hate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili, honestly you appear more as a lunatic fringe person rather then anything else, but I appreciate what you said. As far as David Evans goes he is either a Palestinian masquerading as a normal human being or he is some brainwashed pseudo-intellectual who thinks he's smart. His grasp on things gives him a sense of righteousness his empty little life hasn't experienced so he feels justified. Personally after all these years I just don't have time for little "wads" like that. I would rather discuss real issues in a qualified manner instead of wading through the angry rebuttals this idiot causes or, quite frankly, the hate filled rhetoric you usually spout. Sometimes... only sometimes, I get angry and I say things I shouldn't. That is a failing of mine, but I still like to consider myself a fair and just person. I do not feel I have do be nice to those completely opposed to my existence or the existence of my friends and family. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am thankful that child has been reunited with her parents. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 by the way David... stay away from Jewish News blogs... you aren't one of us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David R Evans.... innocent Palestinians... that must be an oxymoron. Your statement is the oxy and you are the moron. Couldn't help myself. You have to either be a palestinian in drag or one of the most stupid people on earth. The Palestinians are oppressed by the Arabs not the Israelis, but since you are obviously oblivious to the truth or any educated reality I am sure my words will fall on deaf ears. My suggestion for you is to move in with your beloved Palestinian terrorist murdering dog and see how that other half really lives 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The local leader of the terrorist Moslems got his mosque members to call in complaints and the British are so eager to disrespect Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 We can only hope... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Another example of Military superiority NOT used against the enemies of the Jewish state yet the Arabs constantly harangue Israel of imperialism and warring. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you give them too much importance. I guess that is so you can try to ram your theory about those who disagree with you are unstable angry people. I apologize if that seems mean, but you tend to lump all weird abnormalities in to the groups you oppose. We actually are rather sane thoughtful people who've lived through experiences that made us stronger, not weaker. This small cultist group isn't but a tiny fraction of orthodoxy and only by name not deed. The orthodox Jew is the mainstay of Judaism...faithful, honest, kind, loving, and true to G-d. He is loyal to his fellow man and does not beat his kids, abuse them sexually, or starve them. He keeps the ways of Ha-Shem and should be respected not denigrated by those too weak to do the same. Ari in far too many conversations with you I have read your disregard for the traditional Jewish way and you even turn against your home Israel, even though I realize you don't think so. I pray you see your error actually. I hope you find your way back home. If not we can be content you chose the life you lead. I can only hope I will be able to uphold the honor and ethics of the orthodox Jewish community away from both extremes of the weirdo cults. I, not having the benefit of a Jewish upbringing, can only hope to attain that which you toss away so flippantly. It is a hard struggle for me, but one I gladly embrace. I just don't understand you Ari H. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 excuse my mis-spellings please 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H, Yes you are right I am opposed to giving Arabs any of Jewish land. I think those that would are either seriously confused or have abandoned their heritage. Either way there is little I can do except refer them to a qualified Rabbi (not a "new wave" Rabbi). There really is a reason we are as one. A lot of things that are accepted now are wrong according to Torah. We should not allow those things in to our midst. How many times have we suffered as a result of such behavior Ari H? What more can I say? In the past I've been guilty of lashon a-ra and I am really trying not stumble over my words, but I have to tell you that there is no honor in letting go of your responsibilities to your fellow Jew. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I question your investigative technique, remembering your research on me. You didn't really check anything outside of google and not even all the google entries on me. It would be best probably if you kept the information to yourself and let people discover things out for themselves. I don't mean you offense, just being honest. As far as there being "plants" in here... of course there are. Anti-Semites of all persuasions use whatever means they discover to cause wrinkles in the fabric of Judaism. One of those wrinkles is reform Judaism which is a type of Judaism you probably find a lot in common with. The point in being faithful to Ha-Shem, Ari H, is to stick by Him and His ways regardless of what the world says. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Find Abbas, arrest him, try him in a court of law, and then execute him for the murder of all the Jews who've been killed in terrorist attacks since he came to power. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well.... here is a pretty good cross section of all Jewish persuasions. I would rather wait until after the meeting to discuss it. Pre meeting condemnation is not what intelligent thinking is about. Phili and Shaul... apparently it is you two who are gutless. Blinded bigots who think they are big tough defenders of a figment of their own imaginations. Howard I personally wasn't all that fond of Netanyahu's election simply because I remember the last time. Talk tough and give in easy... I admire Lieberman for sticking up to his convictions and the Israeli people. I'm not so sure Netanyahu is doing the same. What evidence do you have Howard to prove your claims that the Obama administration has been working behind the scenes to remove Netanyahu? Please understand that will have your so-called evidence thoroughly checked and if it is true something will be done. If its a lie like usual I will make very sure the posters in here are aware of your treachery. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 apostasy go crawl back under that weak pile of vomit you squirmed out of. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tim none that I know of. There does appear to be a sect of ultra-weird conservative Jews in Israel that do things like beat their kids and starve them etc. Remember when a self appointed Rabbi of one of those sects ran to Brazil to avoid prosecution over his actions? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I've been reading these comments carefully and I am really not surprised by them. The regular posters at JTA are already aware of Phili, Yonason, and Shaul's vile bile. I, being a cross between the Othodox and Conservative Jewish camps find no surprise to the article either. It is true that Obama has surrounded himself with those of a more pliant nature...Jews, Christians, agnostics, and the like. There is obvious reason for that. I congratulate him for including so many Jews in important areas of his government, but as stated earlier, his tendency to use only reform Jews is a bit disturbing, but being the social reformer he is himself its not all that surprising. He probably doesn't realize reform Judaism is a particularly American white washed version of Judaism. Obama's job is to protect the United States, not Israel. It is our job as Jews to protect Israel. Obama is trying to achieve a very delicate balance without offending any of the parties involved. This is not possible at this time, but I still like his naivete. He appears, to me, to be a well intentioned innocent person honestly trying to do good for everyone. I admire that trait in anyone. For a Jew to advocate a two state solution where Israel gives up it's G-d given territory to Arabs and other rabble is disgustingly cowardly and traitorous. Any educated person knows that is not the answer. An educated person knows the true history and realizes what happened to the Jewish land from around 1900 to date. An educated person with some reality skills would know that people who have never honored their word won't suddenly become honorable people. There is and will only be one adequate solution to this problem and dancing around the fire will NOT put it out. To blame Obama or his cabinet for this mess is completely irresponsible. To blame him for trying to take positive steps (in his opinion) to ease the tensions is intentionally trying to stir the mud. To blame the reform Jews in his government for failing to stand up for Israel's needs and genuine legitimacy is completely on target. My fiance is a reform Jew, but I'm working on it. It is my opinion, from my experience, that reform Jews lack the historical connection to Ha-Shem that they need and that is why they do what they do. It is our responsibility as Jews to help them find their way back home. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H the careful selection of reform Jews Obama has around him do not represent the feelings of most Jews in the United States. Not even close. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Reform Judiaism is the Unitarian Church for the Hebrew... You can be a Jew and not be Hebrew and clearly you can be Hebrew and not Jewish. I am also saddened that the reform Jews are the only ones Obama listens to or has around him. It would be better if he tried to discover the truth about Judaism instead of the drainage. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili your history is a bit skewed. You are lending yourself to storytelling rather then actual fact. There were even Germans in Germany who fought against Hitler and his final solution. Not everyone...as a matter of fact not even most people... agreed with the way Jews, Gays, Gypsies and other groups were systematically rounded up, put on trains and never heard from again. The issue now (WWII is over) is that Europe is helping tear down Israel by refusing to stand up for what is right. While they aren't actively engaged in destroying it, they are "allowing" it by looking the other way. They take the Arab and Iranian side because of their economic interests. That only shows they don't care about Israel. As soon as Israel's boundaries are returned to their proper places and Jews can live in peace I will stop opposing the Arab and the Persian, but until that time they are viewed by me as an evil entity bent on destroying my posterity. I wil always oppose the Nazi and actively advocate the capture and summary execution of every single Nazi that breathes, but if the Arabs want to live in peace with us that will be just fine with me. The same goes for the Persians. As far as the dishonorable Europeans go... they are too weak willed to be worthy of anything except what they are. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 phili alawal if you don't mind... don't call me willy. It's not my name. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart I want to thank your for your kind words, but I would like to point out as long as there are hateful men who use religion as a means to wage war against others we, as Jews, will face this threat. The Koran specifically calls all "believers" to wage Jihad against infidels. It further defines infidels as any and all that have not embraced Mohammad as the one true prophet or allah as the one true god. It lies about historical fact and claims rights over the land of Israel. To some this may seem an unfortunate misinterpretation not many believe in, but to the Islamic believer it spells out his destiny. If you think I am happy about any of this you would be wrong. I would love for peace to reign and for all of us to live in harmony, but show me one place where that works would you please? I tell you one thing I know for sure. I know that there are many in this world that, through lack of education, poverty, frustration, or just plain hatred, would love to annihilate all Jews everywhere. They are being led by two basic groups with literally tens of millions of members. They are the Islamics and the Nazis. Those two groups prettty well encompass every anti-Semitic group that exists and they are constantly spreading their hate both in the form of physical acts and publication of vicious lies. Whether or not you or I want to be involved or not these groups are dead set and exterminating us now and forever. You can wait like the European Jews of the 30's and 40's did. If so you will be killed. You can realize this isn't just the ramblings of some insane fanatic and try to understand the actions of these people are not crazed they are just genocidal. The Islamic people are intelligent, thoughtful, hardworking, honest family oriented people who love, live, and hope just like you and I. The one thing that sets them apart is their stated goal to kill each and every one of us. Please... take that to heart. Understand it for what it is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart as long as you keep the current profit motive intact there will be no change. Congress has shown itself many many times to be impervious to the needs of the citizen and usually only reacts when its a corporate matter or if the situation has deteriorated so badly that a 60 second tv spot won't appease the ignorant masses. A single payer system should be a tax based system not a payola system and every responsible legislative representative knows this full well. We collect a lot of taxes and most of it is wasted on bribes to foreign governments, self enriching programs of our elected officials, and pay offs to corporate sponsors of these elected politicians. It is rare indeed when even a fraction of the tax money actually goes towards helping the citizenry or the infrastructure that supports them. The corruption and graft has grown so monsterous we could easily pay for all of our needs if we would just end it. I fear this will not happen until a drastic application of change isn't applied. We are the citizens of the United States and we are supposed to be in control of our government and although an income tax is expressly forbidden in the US Constitution we pretty much have come to accept it. What needs to be done is our tax money needs to be used for our needs not the wants of greedy politicians, foreign governments, and corporate henchmen. We need the change Obama promised us, but so far has failed to even begin. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, you realize you are not going to affect a pseudo-intellectual's sense of moral superiority or social weakness. They will be that way until their dying day. Personally they make me nauseous, but what can ya do? Ari H actually believes he's right. It's not like he betrays himself. It's not his fault he has never had to face the hard reality that life really is. Actually I've always been jealous of those who didn't have to take the hard road. Such is life. Did someone's posts get removed?? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Alan Weisbard you are incorrect again. You have been corrected on this issue several times yet you fail to amend you comments. There is little anyone can do for a closed mind. I am disgusted by Shaul Levy's comments and I too hope his computer gets bounced. Sarkozy is an immoral leader of a socialist nation with no real national product other then wine. They depend on the relationship between themselves and the Islamic states to keep their factories and other businesses running. If you study their history you will discover they have long been supporters of the Arab way of things and you should not expect them to change. Sarkozy is a weak immoral abuser of his position and should not be counted on for any substantial honesty or integrity. The big thing with Iran and France is they are major trading partners. Again... money not ethics rules the day. To heck with the French.... obliterate Iran. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart you need to understand clearly Republicans are for power and wealth for themselves and they have no moral code to guide them other then the wanton pursuit of wealth and power itself. Anyone who is fooled by them is useless until they come to their senses. Anyone who defends them is counted with them. Does anyone realize that the Arab leadership is so oil rich no one really knows how many trillions of dollars they have? I have noticed if you count up all the money given the Arabs it comes to close to 3 billion. How many of those dollars will be used to murder Jews? I am sure most of what is left after the corruptly immoral Arab leadership skims 70% for themselves there will still be close to a billion used to kill Jews. I doubt if any will actually go to helping the lives of the destitute Arabs who call themselves Palestinian. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H. we all know where you stand. You think you are being politically correct at the expense of your own people. The settlements are on Jewish land no matter what Arab terrorist or European neo -nazi says. You need to get it through your head Ari H just who's side you are on. Please note that I do appreciate your civility and I hope I return the same, still I and most people I know think you are very very wrong. Most European countries are looking for cheaper oil as that is the biggest area of tax base income they have. They want to suck up to the Saudis and that means selling Israel down the river. If you fail to stand up for your heritage your name will be blotted out. That is the plain simple bottom line truth you need to consider. Tic Toc Ari H. the clock is running. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I don't think a tv show actor that attempts to make the Nazi plague into a humorous sitcom is a good choice for comparison Phili Alawal. Obama IS the US president and he is a far cry better then GW Bush thinks he himself is. I am adopting a wait and see policy although there definitely are several issues he has gone awry on. As far as that vile fool Shaul Levy goes... may he reap his reward. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think Shaul and a few others just hate. Maybe he or she is just old and crotchity... I don't think it's focused on Judaism in particular. I could be wrong. I think he suffers from Republicanfascistitus a not so rare strain of self righteous disease that seems to be infecting a lot of people who think they are better then others. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart, Boston is a big Irish Catholic town. The personal beliefs of this person are not based in moral faith as should be obvious. The Christians are right when they point out that we all fall short so... whatever the guy says he is we KNOW he's a crook. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Qanni one more thing. The reason Jews claim Ha-Shem gave them Israel is because its true. The reason the rest of the world doesn't is because G-d didn't. The reason Islam denies it is because Islam worships the dark one, not Ha-Shem. Do you really think hiding yourselves in white cloaks makes you pure? Methinks your righteousness is as filthy rags. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Qanni... you sound like a Moslem. Moslems believe in a made up history designed to inflame them against other faiths, especially Judaism. While Islam did not start that way it soon became that way. I believe that was sometime around 600ce but I would have to check my history. Basically what I am saying if you're a Moslem then you are a liar who believes in lies and tries to trick, through deceit, others of differing philosophies. Regardless of how nice peaceful and wise you may appear the truth is you belong to the second most bloody gang of murderously vile aggressors the world has ever known. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thank you Stuart for taking the time to point these things out to Mr. Hicks. Mr. Hicks has been told these facts and many others in the past, but he simply ignores truth and goes on with his neo-nazi diatribe. He has no intention of listening or opening that steel trap closed mind of his even a crack. Mr. Hicks probably has already seen this and maybe he will respond feeling I am goading him in to one, but I can almost guarantee he won't see things for what they are. He wants to hate Jews. He likes to hate Jews. He loves the evil that is Islam. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Basically the German Minister was saying the obstacle to peace in the middle east was that the state of Israel was not giving in to the outside forces that want to destroy it. He pretty clearly stated putting those who would allow them to push Israeli settlers on to Israeli land out of that land in charge is the best chance for peace. I disagree. I believe that the all out war against these horribly vile murderous terrorist tribes known as Arabs or Palestinians or Persians (basically Islamic genocidal monsters) would be a far better way of achieving a lasting peace not only for Israel, but for the world. The state of Germany lost it's voice 65 years ago and needs to shut up and sit down. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If intentional means have been used to bypass or evade compliance with rules of a given Internet Service Provider or Host service one can petition (contact the responsible service provider) to have that person's privilege to use said service terminated. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 White Supremists are actually a very small number while in prison they may be more numerous. The NOI is strong on the outside too. I have had to deal with them on the streets while we care for the tens of thousands of homeless the "system" regularly ignores and abuses. The Nation of Islam is a serious threat to the freedoms of everyone, not just Jews. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland when it comes to the Nazis or the Islamic jihadists I don't care about their rights. I would prefer to track them all down and chase them in to the sea. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Judaism is like a steel pillar. Two kinds of problems affect it. Hammering it until it is dented and cracked and rust making it weak and crumbling. The Nation of Islam is like the hammer and reform Judaism is the rust. It is like the candle lit at both ends. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland the Nation of Islam is the biggest threat to freedom and peace the United States has ever faced... even worse then the GW Bush problem. These people are violent hardened thugs reminiscent of the SS only more dedicated. It is a really good idea to know your enemy and believe me the NOI people are your enemy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I have been closely associated with a number of Christian groups and for the most part I find them very closed minded. There are exceptions. All of them try to do good as they see it. I really don't think there can be any true allegiance because they believe it is their duty as Christians to either make you just like them or chase you away if they feel you will never come around to their way of thinking. Most Christians I know are good basically kind people who want to uphold their principles and be genuinely good to others. They just can't help themselves from trying to make you just like them though. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you can't order a blind man to see. He is going to continue his blabbering. Just don't pay attention to it. It would seem that Madoff is suffering from conscience. He did turn himself in, offered no defense, and refuses to appeal. I think he is trying to make some sort of accounting for what he's done. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Howard Cohn I strongly disagree with you. It is the fault of the sinner that the sin was committed not the fault of those he took advantage of. While more diligence could have caught the fellow sooner it was still a crime of subterfuge and deceit. I am quite opposed to the ideology that its the fault of the lady who left her door open that a criminal came in and robbed her. It is the fault of the criminal! You are absolutely right about one thing... it doesn't matter what faith if any the man was. I apologize for making a bad joke. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I was merely making a joke. I should have known it would have been taken like it was... There are crooked people everywhere of every race creed and national origin... not to mention claims of every faith... I was kind of hoping most would understand that. I guess not... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili apparently you are some hard core republican fascist and racist that just happens to be Jewish. The philosophy and faith of a person is more determined by his friends and family rather then the color of his skin. GW Bush was a dishonest immoral liar and criminal robbing the general population of the United States of their wealth, freedoms, and honor. He started a 3 front war to gain wealth and power, allowed his rich powerful friends free access to rape our national parks of their natural resources, and allowed those same friends to bankrupt the insurance and banking industries. He flattered Israel with his mouth while giving nearly a trillion dollars to Saudi Arabia in cash, weaponry, and training that was used against Israel in Lebanon and Gaza. Yet you, sir, defend him because of what he calls himself. Look at the fruit the tree bears before you brag about the tree. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Paris and other areas of France have been places of refuge for hundreds of thousands of Islamic terrorists for at least the last 50 years Maureen. There is a big presence in London as well that is true, but nothing compared to what has been in France pretty much since the early 1900's. The political pressure against Judaism from places like England, Germany, France, Spain, etc etc is due to oil not religion. Greedy politicians are trying to appease the Persians and the Arabs for their own personal power and wealth not for any lofty ideal. The hateful rantings of Shaul Levy and Phili Alawal don't really help anything. As a matter of fact i believe them to be counter productive. It tends to turn moderates away. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If the JDL did this there was a reason not mentioned in the press. I find it hard to believe the JDL has degenerated in to an undisciplined group of rabble. At least its not the way of the group I remember. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 i'm more cautious... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What kind of fundementalist Christian crap is this? Those who truly support Israel support Ha-Shem's ways and that being said Israel's borders have been set thousands of years ago by G-d Himself. It is those borders that must be supported and any other compromised decision is an erosion of the word of G-d. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think it a safe bet to assume the lone Palestinian was the leader of the group. He came with the instructions and the funding. Although Egypt has been the base of operations for the Saudi born Al-Qaida terrorist group for a while, the Palestinians have been the major players when it comes to planning and funding. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is important to point out these two people have been apprehended and are facing trial. It is up to the legitimate court to render a just decision. Belittling fellow posters for their viewpoint is completely un-called for and very bad form. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili Alawal you are shameful. Your words are evil and wrong. Your heart is full of hate for your fellow Jew and your fellow man. May Ha-Shem show you your mistake. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Besides... its a bald faced lie. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Don't look now Shaul Levy but your bigotry is showing... Leland, a crazed moslem man will do whatever he thinks is right including kidnapping her and ritually murdering her because he believes she is defiled. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 wow Shaul Levy I am impressed. :) 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shaul Levy you are clearly sarcastic in your attack. What is wrong with accepting an person's actions without trying to make the whole assembly guilty? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland what resolution is this? Are you going to refrain from the challenge of countering foolhardyness now??? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There is only one place, Ari H you can go to find a Jewish state. That must be protected. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H may I suggest a trip to Central Europe and spend a few days at as many of the concentration camps you can get to. Travel to the Ukraine and visit the burned out neighborhoods that used to be full of the Jewish populations there. Go to Argentina and see the burned out shell of the shul they bombed and torched and look at the conditions our fellow Jews have to live in. There are many places you can go to experience first hand what this fight is all about. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you are right it is a wholly disgusting act to do so, but murder is not the same thing as armed aggression. You should be able to tell the difference between the acts of a few self righteous killers and the planned aggression of an entire people. Individual acts of these people are known as terrorist attacks and the only way to stop them is to make the cost too high for them to engage in such activity. When you are talking Islamic fanatics there is no such cost too high so you are left with only one solution. The problem is you haven't experienced that kind of hate so you don't believe that is what it is. Actually you are lucky. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 if in your business practice you allow others to gain control over or abuse and/or attack another people your business practice is immoral. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If a Jew is not raised with Torah he cannot be held accountable but as soon as he is made aware he should begin study and accept the responsibility of being a Jew. I am one of those Shaul. My mother's mother's mother came from a traditional Sephardic family , but both my grandmother and mother married outside. I was not raised with any religious affiliation even though my grandmother used to take me to a Christian church when I was small. I have discussed my situation with several of the Rabbis in my general area and we have come to the conclusion that the conversion process would greatly benefit me in learning and accepting the ways of Judaism. I gladly accept the challenge. You, on the other hand, aren't particularly strong (from what I can tell) in Judaism, but you are a natural born Jew. You have had all the benefits around you yet you don't seem to understand them. I would have been very grateful to have been raised in Shul yet I am glad I have discovered my roots before I died. You claim to be a "nationalist" which is code word for fascist. Regardless of your heritage you choose to be hateful and mean, using falsehoods and antagonisms to spread your anger. I can only imagine the benefit to my life had I been raised in the traditional Jewish way ,but you... you have no excuse at all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 another case of a catholic taking abusing Jews... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In every way you jerk 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Paul Winter the US has a proceedure for selling technology to other nations and like the f16s we sell world wide they are devoid of certain sensitive systems. You are quite correct that we are using a lot of Israeli technology in our systems. FYI Paul the United States Air Force is using pretty much the same re-fueling technology it has since the late 1940s. Israel has been a good and loyal friend to the United States in spite of it attacking and sinking our ship and several other breaches of friendship. I am sure we have done some things to Israel as well, but over all we are pretty much the best friends each other has. Israel has provided us with remarkable technology yet our manned flight systems are the best in the world and we do like to keep our edge. The saying is you put an Australian pilot in an American figher jet and you have an unstoppable war machine. All joking aside, perhaps there is more to the story then I have heard and further investigation may be needed. Shaul may be closer to correct, but I don't really think Israel can be forbidden to do business with whomever it chooses. India is fast becoming a Moslem nation as well as a nation of idol worshippers. That is no one to buddy up to. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 A political figure (democrat official) told me there is no way we will get a decent healthcare system because every member of congress (both houses) are too addicted to the pac money. They will make a big noise, blame each other for pandering and betraying the people, but in the end nothing will get done except they will get richer and we will get poorer. What they are going to do is make it mandatory to buy insurance either from a private carrier or a government one just like mandatory liability insurance for drivers. That will be completely untenable and very very dangerous. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The only way to bring the cost of health care back to a reasonable level is to socialize the health care Industry, a lot like England's system. All the tripe about affordable this and that in the hands of private corporations where profit is the only concern has caused run away costs inflating the actual cost at least 1000%. Healthcare is approached the same way a heroin dealer handles his wares. It's done just like the tobacco companies do. They know you have to have health care. Just like I was told by a certain police dept I won't mention because I don't want to be shot in my bed at night.... if ya hold a person's life or liberty in ransom they'll pay any price to get free. The system we now have holds us all for ransom and is run by the most vile of criminal robber baron groups ever assembled. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shaul Levy you do more to destroy Judaism by your hateful almost "Palestinian" way of representing yourself as Jew. I am not perfect that is true and because I wasn't raised as Jew I am having to go through the conversion process (family on my mother's side is Sephardic), but I hold the tenets of Judaism sacred and as Ari H can attest I don't always live up to it. I try very hard to and I get better every single day. You just breath fire on everyone and act like a horrible racist. That is not the Jewish way. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Nancy Morales you are wrong on every point you tried to make. As per the other post of yours I read I suggest you try to learn what you are talking about first. It is pretty clear by your words that you are neither Jew or Christian so why are you even posting on this Jewish News forum? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 James Hovland let me point out to you that the statue of liberty was a gift by a foreign government trying to unload its overburdened population on the United States. The naivete of the leaders of the time of the great influx had no clue about the damage they were doing nor did they care. They were more interested in increasing the manufacturing base and reducing wages for the businesses they owned. Remember it was the horrible working conditions of United States sweat shops the inspired Fred Engels and Karl Marx to write the Communist Manifesto. The huge influx of people and the high speed development is the biggest reason there is for the pollution, disease, and criminal behavior our society faces right now. Immigration is a good thing if handled responsibly.. Letting the Palestinians in here is a mistake. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This sounds like a two edged sword to me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Andrew Lambert I agree wholeheartedly with you assessment and congratulate you on a very clear and concise delivery. This racist Islamic person has nothing honest or honorable to say. The UN has long outlived its usefulness as an impartial body to negotiate peace. It has become a tool of the wicked Islamic world and should be evicted from US soil. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 let me start by making a point most of the under educated posters in here fail to realize. We are all living on the same planet and the use of Nuclear weapons has already brought us many health concerns and disease. If you use a nuclear bomb on one country the fallout effects us all. The use of nuclear weapons are for the insane... like Iran. That is why I am so hard on Iran. The United States now has non-nuclear bombs as powerful as the ones dropped on Japan without the tremendous hazards of fallout. The rest of the world doesn't have them so the violent governments and the crazy ones... like N. Korea and Iran to name a couple... are rushing to build a nuclear arsenal. This needs to be stopped at almost any cost. What we really need is for our leaders to reach down and grab a pair and face up to the threat. David Hicks you come off as an Arab sympathizer and that makes you persona non-grata in my opinion. I have absolutely no use for anyone like you. I would really love the chance to meet you face to face.... believe me. Instead I will accept the punishment G-d has for you. Good for you N Schuster and the others who've stood up for a man who stands up for us all. Arabs, neo-nazis, and anti-semites not included here. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shaul Levy or whoever you really are **** you jerk. The UN has been under the control of the Arabs for a long time due to the power of their energy cartel. It can be seen in the decisions made across the board and in UNICEF distributions etc. I don't believe there are too many rational people who put much faith in the United Nations. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H this top cop, as he is referred, is being appointed because of his willful acts of violence to the Jews who are looked on as inferior and troublesome to the general Argentine population... a population that embraced the Nazis during the second world war. Most populations of hispanics I've dealt with in central and south America are very very racist each believing their race is the superior one. That attitude has kept them at war with each other for nearly 3000 years. It has twice decimated the populations to a mere handful as was the case when the western Europeans came across the Americas. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I think Shaul Levy is another stage name of one of our familiar posters. He is crude, can't spell, and vents the identical hate speech. You are aware there are several "plants" in here .... right? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shaul again you talk out of your lower orifice. However if it was an example of rampant teens they should be made to repair it as their punishment and some other form of restrictive movement should be imposed. I am not sure if prison is the right place for this juvenile act. As always, though, I must defer to a court of law. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Kerry Winn you have a keen insight. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Great... just what we need another 1350 terrorist Arabs. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes Sue... she was last seen sucking up to the Arabs. Her knees are so calloused she no longer needs kneepads. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari... lol you said that pretty well I must admit. I would like to point out that Ari H has had many useful points of view even though I disagree with most of them. To make a solid decision one must get the viewpoint of both ends of the spectrum. The answer is always somewhere in the middle unless the word of Ha-Shem clearly points the way. By the way Ari H, I don't advocate annihilation of those not willing to allow Israel to exist or of those living in Israel who don't want to live the Orthodox/ Conservative Jewish way. I just don't feel they should be living in Israel which is G-d's home for Judaism and his people... the Jewish who follow His ways. There are lots of other places to be and many degrees of separation yet we are all children of the one G-d and we are taught to be tolerant of other point's of view everywhere EXCEPT Israel. I knew you'd see my point of view Leland :) 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ya see Shaul...again you play the insensitive jerk. How nice of you. You are on a path completely against Torah. I wonder how many more like you there are. Faith in G-d is and always has been a personal proposition. You can't force it on people. Ha-Shem gave us free will. You are very sarcastically vile in most of your posts. There is no excuse for your statements of hatred and offense. You remind me of the black youth who hates whites because he heard of slavery and he wants someone to vent his loathing on. I would rather try to work on the loathing then to blame it on someone else. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Shaul as legalistic and vicious as your tongue is I would think you understand we are supposed to care what happens to every Jew. Other then that this man apparently is being railroaded by Arabs and Arab sympathizers. It looks like he is being wronged. Now as for any doctor that approves or takes part in torture or any type of terrorist type of behavior should not be a doctor. The first rule of medicine is do no harm. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 So... this guy is apologizing for feeling like he does? I don't really care what his excuse is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes Ari you are right there hasn't been one ally... of the two state solution... that hasn't wanted Lieberman out. They all want to water down and weaken the state of Israel and move the Arabs in taking over Jerusalem and other key cities. They are pushing ever onward in their desire to ... well as it was crudely put yesterday.... create Judenfrei in Israel. Is that really what you want Ari? Lieberman is being shuttered because as brusk as he is he is standing up for Israel and Judaism. I, for one, am proud of him. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It seems to me that the Interior Ministry is trying to hold diaspora Jews to a higher standard then those living in Israel are held to. That is pretty much hypocrasy, but being a orthodox leaning conservative Jew I don't see anything wrong with the conditions set forth. What I am concerned with is the fact that Jews living in Israel don't live as Jews. The truth is I live in the United States and although my mother's mother was a Sephardic Jew I had to convert. The process was... and still is... long and difficult as I was not raised by any religious standards, yet I find the requirements easily acceptable. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ok now that we've heard from the peanut gallery... Since when did any nation ask permission from other nations to commit strikes against other nations. If they did who would give it? The entire premise is stupid to entertain. Israel has informed the US it was striking in the past but not ever do I remember Israel asking permission. This is a silly concept designed to cause controversy... which it does. Now which one of you 4 have it right??? Hmmm Leland Madearis you win again. I wonder why Ari hasn't spoken up... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Douglas JAY Lambert... another example of you not reading the article. Phili I almost agreed with you until you fell in to your fascist rant against democracy. Lets do like GW Bush and talk loudly and hide behind all the young men and women he sent to their deaths. I am a long veteran of the military and combat. I so dislike cowards like you demanding this and demanding that without the common decency to do as you say. I haven't yet read all of the responses here but I will. I do know that the loudest voices in here.... like you Phili and Ari most likely have never had to stand up in battle. If you did you most likely wouldn't behave as you do or side with who you side with. You are right howver Phili... Bided said the right things 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My goodness I find myself agreeing with you Shaul Levy. In this instance. I have read several of your posts today and I find you toss that term out way too often and I am getting the feeling you're just a hater in Jew clothing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Highly paid? doubtful... It will take a long time for the American worker to recover from the Bush years. The few of us that still have jobs that is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am also well aware of the high calibre of Israeli technologies especially in guidance and propulsion. I mean no slight to the Israeli aerospace industry. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I am surprised by your comments. Mr Levy's are expected. What cancelled the agreement was the potential sensitive technologies freely given Israel for its defense being used by governments not particularly loyal friends to the United States. If Israeli aerospace industries want to sell stuff without the US technology we have no objection. That wasn't the deal though. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I believe Israel is the land of the Jews as ordained by Ha-Shem for all time. I guess you are saying it's a land of Hebrews instead of a land of Jews. There are Hebrews that aren't Jews apparently and Jews that aren't Hebrew, but Israel is a Jewish State and Judaism should be the official religion and those who worship other gods in the land of Israel should be deported. That is my opinion like it or not. There are lots of places on this planet one can be a godless human being, but only one Jewish State. I know I am in for a whole bevy of rebuttal for my statements, but I am being completely honest. G-d has blessed us and we have a responsibility to Ha-Shem for these wonderful blessings. That is what Israel is for. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Leland I don't believe we should pay others to do our dirty work. ...and... I wish I could live in Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 there are so many things wrong with some of these comments it is hard to find a place to start. First off Shaul Levy... Mitchell works for Hillary Clinton a known Arab sympathizer. Mr. Obama has worked pretty hard to not only stick up for Israel, but to make sure the promises of previous administrations are kept. This nazi wannabe, Ecclestone, is dangerous because he fosters support by the trailer trash mentality of the world to blame Judaism for the failures of the world. I do agree that car racing is hardly a sport, but it is an entertainment enjoyed by many people. It is unfair to class them all as white trash. Mr Thoroughly Disgusted you are just a hateful bigot. There is no reasoning for your statement other then emotional hatred. Any propagation of Nazi racism, Islamic calls for Jewish slaughter, or white supremist annihilation of Jews, blacks, etc is an evil root sprouting in the good soil of G-d's earth and must be pulled up by the root and cast in to the fire, metaphorically speaking. Ari I applaud your stand on this issue with one small correction. It actually is particularly anti-Semitic...intentionally so. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Phili you are an idiot. ...and your choice of whiskey stinks. You think I'm an erratic hot head because I am sick to death of watching a small percentage of people take all the money, all the benefits, and all the best of everything while most of us languish in poverty and pollution. We supposedly live in a democracy, but in reality this is a fascist government by definition. It got that way because of the years of the population failing to uphold its civic responsibility. I am tired of watching people starve to death in the United States, tired of seeing children go without the basic needs, and tired of being told its all our fault when in truth the basic core of the Republican party has intentionally manipulated the legal system and the economic system to favor themselves leaving the average person completely in the lurch. You speak only of lies and deception and try to say it is I who is incompetent and raging. Yes I am angry at the way jerks like you respond, but if you think I am not in control of my faculties you are very much mistaken. The democrats are again regaining control of the government and as a result in about 8 to 10 years we will have social remedies for many of the serious problems that now face us, but as soon as your lying cheating criminal republicans regain a foothold they will end all such programs and spend all their time and effort stealing everything that isn't tied down. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence ... shut up. What will it take to outfit all Synagogues with video security? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari ya know what.... your deductive reasoning is seriously flawed. Communicating with you is nothing but a waste of time. You have some issues you need to work out. Let me know how that goes ok? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 dang this spike collar.... Im getting a rash! someone come unchain me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Your own words condemn you Phili and your memory of history is really skewed. but you go ahead and keep talking your trash. Your side lost even with the crooked voting machines and the constant attempts to disallow democratic votes. Your kind is seen for what it is now that our entire nation is in shambles thanks to the unprecedented greed and criminality of the party you defend. Not everyone is as stupid as you think they are. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari I am beginning to understand you, You are just plain crazy. You don't see the words as they are written but as you want to believe they are. I never said Ms Clinton was Jew and you don't have to be a Jew to believe in G-d. I have said many times before she is a godless opportunist who's sole purpose in this world is to enrich herself and grab power. She is like most petty despot wannabes. Your defense of her is not only incorrect but fairly offensive in your wording,,, mostly because of your attacks on Leland and myself... not because we are wrong and not because we disagree with you. Apparently you just need people to ridicule and attack. Maybe English is not your primary language and you simply don't know what the words mean... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari... this may come as a bit of a surprise to you but, you have issues dude. We don't advocate genocide, but you are defending and making excuses for those that not only do advocate genocide, but are actively engaged in it. You are really messed up bud. You are completely twisted around and confused. Maybe you should check into rehab? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I would rather be closer to Wiesbaden myself but.... I have to disagree with your assessment of the air quality... especially during planting season. Mr. Demjanjuk may be guilty of helping to murder 29000 Jews but he may also may have just been a young post guard. There were millions in the German army and it was only a relative few who perpetrated the horror that was the final solution. I am not for leniency in any way for those who were part of it, but I also don't want anyone not responsible to pay the price. I will leave that up to the German courts I guess. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I think the prudent answer is yes you are right we should move, but the only real solution is to seek them out and remove them from society. I know that seems cruel, but what is the real cruelty...death camps where millions are tortured and made to work until they die? These nazis need to be gathered up and burned in to ash then mixed with the soil or cast in to the sea. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers you are a coward and an a-hole. Is that direct enough for you to understand? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I applaud your post Ari. Very good very honest very effective. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 All you first time posters.... hired goons of the republican party trying to scare people in to believing the horribly bloated and immorally overcharging private healthcare system we have now would be better then government control... you people make me sick. The current health insurance system rakes in billions per month in profits, lets good honest folk die, and sells medicine and care to the highest bidders. Around 12 % of the population actually gets adequate care, but you want to spread lies and incite anger because your bosses may not make 200 billion off the backs of the average citizen next year if a national health care program is passed. You say my health care would be worse off? How ?? I don't get health care. I can't pay the 500 a month it costs to buy it nor can I pay the deductibles. I have to do without. You paid mercenaries of death and over privileged elitists are the lowest form of life. You want us to pay for your luxury and debauchery, but you balk if we dare want some of our money and hard work to go for ourselves. A national health care system is the only humanitarian way to care for the citizens of this nation and all those opposed to it either have a stake in the obscene profits of these racketeers or are just plain stupid. I am actually trying to be nicer without so much piss and vinegar. Imagine what I would have said if not. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I was referring to your response to Terry Rowe ... Personally I pitied Michael Jackson. His was a tragic life from the beginning. They should do a dna test on those kids to see if they even are his kids. Somehow I don't think they are. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 We all fault the republican party for being what it is Phili. You attack the author of the article because you don't like what it says? You are one of those republicans we blame things on because IT IS YOUR FAULT. We have decided to take an active role because people like you have been abusing the constitution and the people of this nation. We are going to make some changes and we've only just begun. This story is far from over. We already know you and the people like you won't accept what we are doing by using the legal tools we have available to us. You want to lie, cheat, and steal your way back in to power... just like a good republican politician, but we are going to bring real change to the United States that is way past due. We are going to make it like it is supposed to be and yes the early framers of our constitution were right. This form of government will only work if the citizens of it are of good moral character, with a true faith in G-d... a higher power. Yes there is going to be a lot of trouble, yes there is going to be a lot of strife, but the wanton abuses of our society are a direct result of the wicked, forceful, dishonest, and oppressive policies of your hard core right wing elitists. Regardless of race, creed, or national origin we of the United States will come together in one common goal. A goal you have long forgotten Phili... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, Ari is ... I don't know what Ari is... but he has his own agenda and firmly believes we are the enemy. He exhibits no sense of loyalty, but he does show deliberation and a desire to be fair. His opinions are very skewed and show no real relation to the facts surrounding the issues he talks about, but it is clear he gets some kind of information. He seems to want to defend those who deserve no defense and those who have historically proven themselves to be enemies of the Jewish people. I don't know what his deal is Leland... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 what a load Ari... we are just speaking our minds. I think Sylvia Scott is mostly either misinformed or not educated in these matters by the party line attack she makes, but I can understand why she or whoever she really is feels that way. Hillary Clinton has not ever been, as you describe... a close friend of Israel. Maybe a close friend of the gays that live in Israel, but she has never exhibited a belief in Torah, Ha-Shem, or the people chosen to inhabit the land of Israel. As a matter of fact she has long professed a lack of belief in G-d. You constantly report your own twisted half truths as fact, ridiculing anyone who differs. You have long been a supporter of those trying to undermine the Jewish way. You say you are Jewish. You say you are moral. You say you are honorable yet you fail to show even the slightest evidence for that. You only continue to push your warped agenda of weakness, appeasement, and acceptance of that which is completely contrary to the ways of G-d. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady I can understand your "from the bleachers" heckling, but these issues need to be dealt with in a more permanent way. With the current trend of the world siding with these evil murderous dogs though, it is unlikely anything positive will happen. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mrs. Clinton promises the Arabs she is on their side and praises Israel for making it easier for them to attack. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland don't pull Ari's string. It doesn't matter really... what he says. We both know his position. He thinks anyone who doesn't suck up to those trying to eradicate his kind is a racist. Like Rocky thinking we are racist because we have history to prove what kind of people the Germans are. We have history to prove many things. Our history goes back a long way. Longer then the Germans who were mud hut dwelling feudal tribalists until the Romans came. The German people tried to take over the world twice in one generation and were badly beaten both times as a result. They, as a nation not as human beings, brought misery and tragedy to millions and millions of people out of their twisted sense of superiority and ego. We have personally suffered greatly as a result. Those are just facts. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I agree with you Leland. We need to scour the world for them and get rid of them. We can't let the apologetic pacifists deter us from such an important task. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland... my kids will be raised with a Jewish education. When they get old enough to make their own way they can choose their own way and they won't owe me a dime, but as long as I control their upbringing I will. I find it hard to imagine any other. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 excuse my spelling etc... its atrocious 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 ok Terry, Leland just what do you think an arranged marriage is? What ethnic group began them about 6000 yrs ago? Do you two realize it wasn't until the 20th century that most of the western world got away from arranged marriages where the parents sold their daughters? Personally I find the practice abhorrent and cruel, but don't let over 5000 years of Jewish history sway you... I have the love of the most wonderful Ashkenazi woman on the planet and I lover here dearly, but if it were up to her parents she would never see my Sephardic butt. They would have given her to some self righteous ashnenazi jerk (like I really would know...) Do you two get my point? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yonason h why don't you try to get your own rag going. I am sure you can get a spot on one of the KKK monthly issues. They do have a section for hate mongers like you. You are nothing more then a paranoid delusional with hatred for anyone that doesn't embrace your goose stepping ideology. In the real world your kind is on the run and my kind is chasing you down. You sir are a liar and a fraud. Most likely you are a deranged violent example of stupidity needing to be restrained. Yeah I know I am blunt and to the point, but I see no reason to beat around the bush. You call me a shill and a Nazi. I would put your cowardly butt in the hospital for that if you were face to face. You are despicable. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Remember the ones trying to tell you the government will waste your money and cause backlog confusion and red tape are the ones that are actually doing that to you now. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Governments are the only entities really equipped to fairly dispense public enterprises like power, utilities, health insurance, etc and education 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari no one really pays attention to Lawrence... like they don't pay attention to you. All this nonsense by the Republican profit mongers trying to scare people away from a public healthcare platform is hilarious. The insurance companies don't want it because they don't want to lose their 800 % profits. The Medical equipment companies don't like it because they don't want to lose their 2000% profits. The Surgeons don't want it because they don't want to shrink their 1mil a week plus salaries. The Hospitals don't want it because they want to keep their hold on the public and their huge profit margins that they claim don't exist. The people need it because the Republicans and their greed machine has completely bankrupted the entire country. The Pharmaceutical companies don't want to stop charging $80 a pill for what they produce for .03 cents each and the lawyers want to keep the ride going as long as they can. I think its time we rounded them all up and just shot them. That would be real change. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Remember the zealots ? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 How is it an honor to be a roman citizen? Shades of Macabee! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland a nazi is a nazi is a nazi. The germans have long felt themselves racially superior to everyone in spite of their horrible losses time after time. They seem to have an ego that demands self righteous glorifications of their obvious lack of honest manhood. I was stationed in Germany after Viet Nam. I respect the Viet Namese, but I have no respect for the Germans. I visited the camps, I've studied the history, I walked the paths of death. These people are completely useless as a whole, yet there are shining examples of wonderful individuals... My respects to the late Mr. Schindler and others... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well... Lawrence Rodgers.... anger and resentment swells up in me too.... I don't feel that expressing my feelings in this public forum would be appropriate. Suffice it to say we stopped taking orders from Germany a long time ago. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 good advice Leland 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Charles Jackson, Wisconsin is state where Jewish have long settled. It is not as barren of Jews as you try to make out. Your comment about New York Jews... gives me reason to believe you are some sort of... oh I don't know... catholic extremist Jew hater. When dealing with apple pickers its good to know something about picking apples. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I wouldn't expect you to understand Ari... its called principle. It's apparently way beyond you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I hope the authorities find out who is doing this. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari... you constantly try to discredit me. Your words are recorded. It is very clear what your point of view is. I really am past tired of dealing with you. You even call me a coward... lol YOU call ME a coward. What a joke you are. You want me to send you some knee pads and a case of chapstick? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 well....duh! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you are absolutely correct. I would have to muster every ounce of my self control not to do the same. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think these Arabs should be treated with leniency. I am sure you can understand the heated emotion they were dealing with. It is true that the rule of law must prevail, but seriously... this deranged man murdered 4 people who's only crime was riding a bus. Surely the average Israeli can relate to that. Whatever the court decides I hope it will take the extraordinary circumstances in account. ...and I am no lover of the Arab! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 To claim a man is Jewish by some loose description is a clear indication of pre disposed inclination. That is the actual definition of racial bias. The newspaper editor is right to apologize and push for a decent standard. I am sure there exists some Jewish burglars, but I would guess there are a lot more who aren't. We Jews have a much higher standard of ethics then any other identifiable group, yet we do have some failures. The truth is we have a lot less of them then any other and that is a fact. It is unfortunate that we are the brunt of so much hatred and bad press because of the acts of a very few, but it seems to be the way of the world. I, for one, am very proud of my fellow Jews for their honesty, honor, and compassion for others. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lee Ann, Blackie why don't you take your fascist propaganda and hateful personal attacks to some Nazi rag that appreciates them? Personally I am disgusted by your words and I can only imagine the horrible truth you two exude in public. You are both intentionally offensive and false I can only presume comes from your anger your oppressive masters have been thoroughly kicked out of public office. If it was my way they'd be chased in to the sea. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I apologize for the grammatical errors... heh 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The Republicans can not currently buy seats in congress or the presidency any longer... but we still have ideological fools barking for them, right Mr. Lambert? Coleman is one of those politicians that tries to use his position to curry profits and power for himself at the expense of the people... we call them republicans in the United States... and he just couldn't accept that in spite of his pay off he didn't get appointed again. He fought in the courts to discredit Mr. Franken. He tried to have the ballot rigged. He tried to use the media to force the people in to accepting him, but it all came down to the fact that his crooked cronies no longer run things around here and he actually lost because the people no longer want him as their representative. We are sick of these criminals running roughshod over us. We are tired of the raping of our land and our economy so that a handful can live as kings while the majority of us go hungry, unemployed, and hopeless with no medical care of hope of education. We are fed up with the dishonesty and down right deceitful liars that make up the republican party and I say clearly that any Jew who sides with these monsters turn their backs on their brothers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Al Jazeera is a propaganda media using real news stories to slant their point of view... kind of like you Ari... or Fox news. Of course now that CNN is merely an outlet for sensationalism and product placement I guess there really is little honest choice outside of PBS in the United States. They should fit it real well in Canada. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The Palestinians better not let the dead sea dry out... or they will have to face more facts concerning Judaism and the lack of legitimacy of the Palestinian people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I imagine Ari will say it was provocation by the Israeli defense force. Those poor Palestinians... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Rosen is correct actually even if he may be Rodgers in disguise. Ari you need to read some world news other then the Arab Gazette. (<--- that is more sarcasm then accusation Ari.) You may find it enlightening. France has been making money on selling Nuclear Technology for years and just a few years ago a group of Arab businessmen were apprehended at Heathrow Airport carrying Nuclear Triggers destined for Iran and Syria that came from France manufactured with US parts. Unless you keep up with the world situation Ari you are not in any position to cast the aspersions you do on those trying to stop the animalistic aggression of the Islamic horde. Remember again... a person can be intelligent, reasonable, thoughtful, and kind... but a people can be evil, aggressive, bitter, violent, narrow minded, and mean. The educational system of Islam teaches their youth that Jews are evil usurpers but its actually the Islamics. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I really don't know why you spend so much time defending the enemies of Judaism, but you do. It isn't my place to try and understand why these killers want my brethren dead. It isn't my job to feel sorry for them or try to make their lives easier. It's my job to protect my family, friends, and country from those who would destroy all. You either don't understand this or aren't worth my time to explain it to. Your personal references to my character are simply attempts to make your weak argument appear stronger. Your constant pro Arab position does give me a lot to answer back to and I do appreciate the motivation. I am not all that anti Arab, its just that I really don't like the violent attacks against my friends, neighbors, and relatives all due to some Arab's warped sense that tells him its his duty and right to murder Jews. Oh I keep forgetting his holy book... the koran... tells him to. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 So far Netanyahu has impressed me with his loyalty. I like Lieberman's steadfast support of Israel's integrity as a nation and Netanyahu's support of him is a good thing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 wow... I don't know. I am glad we have Rabbinical courts and scholars to settle these issues for us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland you are right on the money there... the Red Cross is a money machine using sympathy and misery to enrich a few select individuals. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Didier Spaier Whether or not your statement is factual... France proliferates Nuclear weapons technology for profit. They've sold to many countries... mostly Islamic ones. I don't really think it has anything to do with ideology... more with profit. That is a pretty horrible motive to spread nuclear weapons around the world. I also find it hard to believe that Israel would need France's help to develop a nuclear program. Most of the scientists in the world that developed such technology are Jewish. The same goes for delivery vehicles and guidance. I guess France and Russia are the easiest places to get nuclear fuel though... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well I'm too drunk to comment right now... you lucky readers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I agree with you for the most part Leland as I have stated similar responses in other forum posts at JTA. I feel we need to keep up the conversation concerning the Catholic bid to slander us though. This is a very wealthy organization that sided with Hitler in the second world war and continues to belittle and deride Judaism. It spawns wicked little hitlers like Mel Gibson and many others. It historically has been responsible for millions of Jewish and Islamic murders over the centuries. This is an organization that would destroy every one of us if it could...both Jew and Moslem. I seriously take umbrage with that French president. He is a complete yahoo if he thinks his nation has any influence what so ever on any non Arab nation he isn't supplying nuclear technology to. The French people have long been artistic esoteric thinkers. The have been a benefit to the world, but their political motivators have long been a-holes, and fools. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you are way to naive to be believable sometimes. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers it's about time to get rid of you...again 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ahh Hillary Clinton's old school. Yes Leland he abuses, humiliates, and ridicules Jewish students. He unfairly burdens Israeli students and favors Arabs, He lies about Israeli history and basically is an unfit teacher, because he uses his position as a propaganda tool instead of a teaching opportunity. The fact that he got tenure shows the state of the higher education system. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol wow Leland... that was a bit edgy 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I have to agree with ilan gamliel... That is the standard I was told to follow and anyone truly desirous can do it. It's not like they aren't allowed to convert. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Terry Rowe excuse me? Are you talking to me? I have not made a comment in here until now. Are you defending the Palestinians to me? Please don't waste your time. I don't need your shmooze or lies to confuse me. I am very very clear on these issues and I am dedicated to a particular end. I don't mind if you stand in my way.... I'll walk right over you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence you say a lot of things and rarely is anything you say coherent. You are usually vile and hateful and as a result very few people take credence to anything you say. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H if you were living in WW2 era Europe you would have been shot as a collaborator. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Since when did the French word mean anything at all? Since when did a pervert get to dictate policy to Israel? France is not a friend to Israel and never has been. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari I think I am going to have to side with you on this one.... While I do agree that making agreements with the Arabs concerning Israeli land is a serious mistake bordering on treason I think Lawrence Rodgers is completely in poor taste and rather offensive. Shame on you Mr Rodgers 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland you are wrong. My grandmother was Sephardic married to an Englishman. My mother was half Jewish married to an Irishman. I chose after many years of questioning to take up my Jewish heritage but I had to go through the conversion process according to the Rabbis. This conversion process is ONLY recognized if orthodox. No progressives or reformists... If you research this you will find the only recognized converts or Gers if you will... go through the orthodox conversion process. It is good enough for me and I was more then willing to go through it...after all I needed to learn (and still do) an awful lot. Progressive conversions are NOT recognized by any group other then the progressives. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari everything you say in here is geared to make your case look good, but the truth is there is nothing you can do to make your barrel of horse crap look good. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland fyi my parents were killed by one of these unwashed illegals Ruth is defending and I honestly find no excuse for them. It's not that I haven't forgiven and overcome... well maybe not completely... but its that they get special treatment, run from responsibility, and are nothing more then criminals avoiding social ethics to squeeze whatever they can from people they despise. I find NO reason to accept them or excuse them. I truly believe they need to be rounded up and sent back to the hell hole they came from. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland... no I don't know what you are trying to say. Was I a bit too... harsh? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I completely agree Lawrence... good for them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ruth if you don't like the truth you scream racism? Sounds like a hispanic to me. We are constantly having to deal with the insects, bacteria, and disease brought in to this country because of illegal immigration. This is most pronounced from the southern border whether you want to accept it or not. Your comments have nothing at all to do with the truth. They are designed to make me look bad and solicit sympathy for these criminals. Yes workers are supposed to be treated well and given what they are due, but illegal aliens are criminals and should be apprehended, identified, and sent back home to where ever they came from. It's the law. I have personally seen the way these illegals behave in kosher establishments and I really don't care what your propaganda claims are Ruth. How embarrassing it is to have you stick up for them. How many times have you had to completely clean and replace things because of these nasty people rendering your facilities unclean? I agree the immigration policies are unfair. I also agree that just because a person is Hispanic doesn't make them any less of a human being or any less educated, hygienic, or able, but the truth is most of the illegals are poor, uneducated, unwashed, and unwanted. They flood over here in to the United States trying to force us in to accepting them as legitimate. The result of their influx is drugs, gang violence, disease, and a substantial lowering of educational standards. They send the bulk of their money homeward causing a bleeding sore in our economy, they abuse the welfare and tax system stealing identities, taking illegal tax credits, and welfare even though they are gainfully employed. They are abusers plain and simple. Your defense of them is inexcusable... they are criminals. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I can only imagine the horror of being Michael Jackson's child. While Mr. Jackson's life was a tragedy filled with abuse and psychological trauma, he was still a child molester and a very sick human being. I honestly believe his life was the result of the forces of others on him and I feel ,more pity for him then anything else, but that isn't an excuse for the things he did or mess he left. I wonder what kind of a woman would have children with him? She must be better then the alternative of having to live with the terribly abusive Joe Jackson though. I guess my last concern would be this.. why is it any of our concern other then it being the placement of Jewish children? That should be what we are concerned with. The children should be allowed to grow up Jewish. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Matt there are a lot of wackos out there from one extreme to the other for example: Lawrence Rodgers... a completely insane and uneducated idiot, and Ari H on the other extreme... who seems to believe being nice to those trying to kill him will save him.... we usually label them collaborators... but there are also many in the middle who would love an end to this horrible situation and realize there will be no solution as long as the Palestinian rabble are allowed center stage. I don't know where you stand Matt, but if you don't understand the reason for these forums why don't you just stop reading them? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is a violation of the United States Constitution to rank any criminal act more criminal on the basis of race, creed, or national origin. All this crap by weak willed losers only help to destroy the nation. There is already plenty of sentencing room in the current statutes to adequately punish most everyone for everything. Stop trying to turn this in to a little girls slap fest. Danged cowards! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Is there anyone in here, besides John Q Public with any reasonable opinion ... perhaps Leland? All the rest of you closet bigots or wimpy apologists need to go back in to hiding and let the adults handle this. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Iran is NOT Israel Ari. Israel is the home of G-d's chosen. Ha-Shem Himself gave Israel to all the Jewish people. It is not up for debate nor is there any other nation on earth more valid. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Another misrepresentation on your part Ari... yes the protests may grow in to something significant but a country of 40 million eligible voters with an election protest averaging about 30-50 thousand is NOT of much concern no matter what they are trying to make it look like. I agree that the general population is not desirous of Israel's destruction or of plunging the world in war, but it isn't them with the power to do so. You really need to stay on message and stop trying to infiltrate solid reasoning with your whiny inacurate crap. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H and again you twist things to fit your misguided definition. It isn't for me to decide for you how to act, but if you constantly get in my face and prevent me from living my life the way I feel I should I will remove you from the equation.... without prejudice but with definitive determination. It is not that I would have interfered with your life Ari... it's that you would have made my life untenable by your failure to control yours so I would be left with no other choice but to remove you from the situation with absolute certainty. You should be able to see the difference, but knowing you... probably not. Believe it or not Ari I am NOT a confused apologist. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think most of the comments on this particular forum are ill conceived and down right stupid... no offense, honestly. It is not for a country to meddle in the affairs of another. Yes, I realize it is very common practice by nations who think themselves morally or militarily better then the other. Iran needs to clean itself up or be completely bombed in to dust. The leadership of that country has steadfastly called for the death of all Jews and the destruction of Israel. While the general population may be more reasonable and peaceful, it is the said leadership that will obtain and use nuclear weapons on us. The subject of this forum is Israeli settlements though. If Lieberman has decided to stand up for the settlements then I am happy with him. All of you who call for the reduction or removal of Jewish settlements on Jewish land are in opposition to Torah in my opinion. I really don't care to argue with y'all any more, but I will not be silent when it is time to shout. Return all of the land of Israel to Judaism. Do not negotiate these borders away. Are you so afraid of these petty grubs you will turn your back on G-d? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence maybe you should ask your doctor about prozac or something... you are consistently mean and nasty. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers... you are so full of crap you should change your name to outhouse. The reason meat packing plants ranging from frozen foods to poultry are watched more closely is because of the disease these undocumented and usually unhygienic transient workers bring to the table. For a Jewish owned kosher meat plant to use workers who dine on deep fried or boiled pig intestine without even bothering to wash their hands more then once a day is inexcusable. Their very existence in the plant contaminates the meats. Illegal workers in the United States are one of the major causes of our economic collapse (there are more then just the illegals), but in their defense it is true they are only looking for a better way. Why they don't invest in their own country is beyond me, but its the way things are. Still... they need to be sent home, yes, even the ones working at those gambling houses you know so much about. However, with the extremely limited resources of money and manpower... the INS usually concentrates on areas where the public health is concerned. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Sider if you have any other questions please feel free to ask. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Sider this is for you The Seven Laws of Noah According to traditional Judaism, G-d gave Noah and his family seven commandments to observe when he saved them from the flood. These commandments, referred to as the Noahic or Noahide commandments, are inferred from Genesis Ch. 9, and are as follows: 1) to establish courts of justice; 2) not to commit blasphemy; 3) not to commit idolatry; 4) not to commit incest and adultery; 5) not to commit bloodshed; 6) not to commit robbery; and 7) not to eat flesh cut from a living animal. These commandments are fairly simple and straightforward, and most of them are recognized by most of the world as sound moral principles. Any non-Jew who follows these laws has a place in the world to come. The Noahic commandments are binding on all people, because all people are descended from Noah and his family. The 613 mitzvot of the Torah, on the other hand, are only binding on the descendants of those who accepted the commandments at Sinai and upon those who take on the yoke of the commandments voluntarily (by conversion). In addition, the Noahic commandments are applied more leniently to non-Jews than the corresponding commandments are to Jews, because non-Jews do not have the benefit of Oral Torah to guide them in interpreting the laws. For example, worshipping G-d in the form of a man would constitute idolatry for a Jew; however, according to some sources, the Christian worship of Jesus does not constitute idolatry for non-Jews. There is a growing movement of non-Jews who have consciously accepted these seven laws of Noah and chosen to live their lives in accordance with these laws. This movement is referred to as B'nei Noach (Children of Noah). For more information about the B'nei Noach movement and the Noahic commandments, see Chavurath B'nei Noach of Fort Worth, Texas. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Ben-Ariel your bigotry is showing... yes Christians follow the Noahide laws. Thats pretty much the basis of Christianity under the guise of that Egyptian woman goddess having the kid god kinda thing... I also agree that a lot of people in Israel would probably be very disappointed should the Moshiach come before they return to Torah obedience. I do not agree with your harsh attack of those trying to live a moral life. It is not for the Goyim to live the life of a Jew. It is a blessing to them from Ha-Shem if they follow the Noahide laws. It is not for you to belittle them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This plant needs to get back up and running... this time with legal workers at a fair wage. Jewish workers would be nice... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, billions of dollars have been given to Palestine over the years for humanitarian aid yet all that comes of it are rockets, well armed soldiers, and the death of Israeli citizens. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You see Ari... here you are trying to evoke sympathy for the murderous dogs who kill Israeli children. This is what really pisses me off about you. The people in camps are intentionally kept there by hamas in attempts to squeeze sympathy from western governments and almost all aid goes to hamas and its terrorists not the average Palestinian... if there really is such a thing. Let these so-called refugees return to the land of Palestine... oh wait Jordan doesn't want them.... basically I'm saying this Ari... stfu you (bleeeeeeeep). 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 ditto Leland 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Still gay activities is no excuse for criminal behavior. As human beings they should be treated with the same respect as anyone else. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gay pride? Isn't that an oxymoron? Homosexuals are not some downtrodden victims of nature, but a vile group of perverts who, by choice, decide to violate the basic tenets of morality and humanity. While I agree it is surely their life to live and their judgement to face, it is still very tiresome and disgusting to have to deal with them on a day to day basis. I am sorry if any non gay is ignorant enough of the reality of homosexuality to feel offended by my words, but I make no apologies for them. Not all gays are socially corrupt, but most I've dealt with are. All practicing homosexuals are morally and biologically corrupt. The truth is as long as they keep that to themselves it's really none of my business. I wouldn't call a gay pride parade keeping it to themselves. Would you? If anyone of you think you can use your twisted logic to separate me from my teachings you will fail. Please don't try. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes John Farbarik I can. The hilltop settlers are trying to take the land given to them by Ha-Shem and the years of terrorism and treachery has resulted in some rather fanatical odd balls rising to a place of authority. The return of Israel to the Israelis is going to happen whether or not the Arabs "allow" it and Islam will be struck down by G-d as the vile imitation it is, but that is not to attack or insult those who truly believe. Those that are misled will be given the chance (most more then one) to see it for what it is and move away on their own accord. Ha-Shem does not force humanity to accept Him. We Jews accepted Him by choice. The methods of some radical Jews to forcibly return Jewish land by deception and unjust violence is just as wrong as taliban soldiers killing men, women, and children who do not swear loyalty to them instantly... a very common trait among Islamic followers...and will be dealt with in time. The time is quickly coming when we will get our land back and the entire world will regret what has been done to G-d's chosen. That is not some maniacal statement from an egotistical idiot, but a "reprint" of Ha-Shem's own words in a bit of poetic license. The smart thing to do is to give we Jews Israel back. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Deborah active unprovoked violence from either side is a horrible sin, but don't let that confuse you. All of Israel as set down by G-d's decree needs to be returned to the Jews. There is no other solution that will result in any real and lasting peace. This weak knee jerk reaction by those weary of the constant struggle will only prolong it. There are only two effective choices and one of them is deadly. I am fervently for a peaceful resolution, but it has to yield the desired results. Paul Winter any and all land belonging to Israel belongs to all of us (the Jewish). It was divided up by tribe many years ago and is a birthright. This modern fraudulent claim by the Arab coalition is only supported because of greed and cowardice by the western world. It's like that in nature too. Fat bellied pigs would rather run away squealing. Personally I steer clear of pork products including the old pork barrel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jonathan, as a rational thinker I have to disagree. 1 in 300 is pretty significant. As to the rest of y'all let me be blunt and clear. If you resort to murder, intimidation, and fanatical fascist behavior to force yourself on others, Ha-Shem will remove you from the book of life. I do hope that is clear enough. Israel needs to be united in the direction of returning all of its lands to the Jewish people. We need to again become what Ha-Shem directed us to be...for the right reasons and again be a light unto the world, not a vicious violent people bent on the oppression of others. That's what the Arabs do. We have a higher calling...Let us remember that. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Extremism and violence is the wrong way to engage non military situations. I applaud the west bank settlements, but not the acts of unprovoked violence and I am glad to see both Palestinian and Jew working together. I have not seen such cooperation before and it actually gives me hope. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence I thought you were a representative of the neo-nazi movement... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Talk about anti-Semitism... Mr. Nixon you and Mr. Graham seem to be right there with them... I am actually shocked to hear Mr. Graham behave like that. I've always had a deep respect for him. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think an illegal settlement in Israel, regardless of where, would be a settlement of people who worshipped a strange god like Islamists, for example, Buddhists for another, I am not even sure Christianity isn't the worship of a strange god.... making a man a god seems to fit the prerequisites. I have always had problems equating that. I strongly oppose turning a good practicing Jew into a criminal because he builds his house in Israel, especially while any Arab occupies any land inside of Israel. That does not mean I would murder or condone the murder of anyone, Arab or not. Murder is murder and life is life. Remember the Mitzvot and observer them always... easier said then done, I know. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I have several comments to make about this but first off I have to remind everyone about racial hatred like that of the 1930's Germany... praising the murder of people because of their religion or race teaching that they are a superior people and thus entitled by any means at hand. Using religion as a means to control the population These are the traits of fascists .... learn from history please! I agree about the Biblical boundaries of Israel and I feel it is very wrong to negotiate any of Israeli land away. I believe my previous posts have made that very clear. I am also against having any other gods besides Ha-Shem worshipped in the land of Israel. I agree about not letting a political organization interfere with the edicts Ha-Shem in His wisdom has bestowed on us all. I am fervently against white washing the traditional convictions of our people through what is called "Reform Judaism" because it really isn't by practice. I also believe that Rabbinical decree should change with the times as societies change and grow, not G-d's mitzvot... but Rabbinical decrees and we all know the difference. That is why I count myself as an Orthodoxical leaning Conservative Jew. We must regain all of the Land of Israel, but we mustn't be like the hordes outside the gates to do it. We must follow the Torah, not some radical nut case's version of it. The Torah is well spelled out and the meanings are clear. We must stop supporting those who would embellish or "interpret" the passages of G-d's Word to facilitate their own agendas. In cases of differentiating views we are charged with listening to Ha-Shem before some wayward fanatical Rabbi... Forgive me Rabbis for that statement, but it's true. so often it has become a business instead of a position of guidance and teaching. I hope I am being clear enough. Lets return all of Israel to the Jew, but lets do it Ha-Shem's way. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Sider my studies indicated the 5 books you refer to were 4 books until the Christians got hold of them. And I would suggest the same sites to you as I did to Mr Hicks. Also, unless I am mistaken, The Laws of Noah were given to him by G-d as a guide for all mankind. That would make them different from Rabbinical directives. Today a lot of people include a lot more then just the original 4 books of Moses when referring to Torah. Please feel free to correct me if you feel I'm wrong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David please don't try to understand Ha-Shem through the eyes of Christianity. While I personally respect those of all faiths, I have to say that Christianity, like Islam kind of re-wrote the role of G-d. Following the seven laws of Noah for non-Jews is righteous act in the eyes of Ha-Shem. Please investigate them and find out what they are. That should clear up any misunderstanding. May I suggest www.jewfaq.org as one of many good sources for information about Judaism? Another good one would be AskMoses. I hope I haven't offended you or anyone else here, but in my defense... this IS a Jewish News website. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well that sounds like Mr. Kent did use anti-semitism as an angle for his political end. I saw nothing in that article that I would think anti-semitic. It does lend credence to the many US government employees of the GW Bush administration that claimed the Bush Administration, namely Dick Cheney, knew full well that there was going to be an attack and intentionally withheld the information from the general public and prevented any efforts to stop it. The over three thousand people died so that Bush and Cheney could effectively take over the country and bleed it dry, which is pretty much what happened. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ok now that we've heard from the arm chair racists.... cowards who don't stand up for what they say... I will say this. I think his words are pretty clear and very welcome by most nations on the planet. They were firm, honest, and clear. He is obviously trying to be an honest and just statesman. I am ashamed at the hateful and unwarranted bias exhibited by my fellows in this forum. Ashamed! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This man Galloway should be taken and sent to Israel where he can be made to suffer the horror those he has murdered by proxy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The first Jewish speaker amidst a hall of cynical, narrow minded pro-Arab bigots... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers you sir are a liar. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I don't know what to say.... Humanitarian grounds is a pretty good reason to stand up for yourself. I think maybe someone should see if what he said is true. Are we abusing people in our charge? G-d forbid. I sure hope not. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I should not have been so harsh to you John Q. Public, especially after you were so nice to me in another subject's posting. I do have to reiterate however there are laws and practices in the United States and there is a big difference between the two even if they may have the same result. Hate crimes make certain criminal activity more punishable by race, creed, or national origin and that is a violation of the constitution. Words actually do have meaning. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ivan... they are better off where they can live free and practice Judaism where ever that may be. If they want to live in New York (who knows why?) or Israel that is their decision to make. What makes them want to live in Yemen... that's the question. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 no Ari he's around... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Free speech Melvyn... free speech. I strenuously oppose Arty's point of view, but I still say he has the right to say it. Even though the facts completely contradict his statements and his lack of knowledge is indicative of an Islamic upbringing where lie and dogma is substituted for truth. That isn't his fault. Failing to look for himself once he is told of his mistake... that's his fault. Still, he has the right to say what he wants to providing he doesn't violate the rules of the site. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I say bravo to Jack Saunders. I am glad you have decided to follow the teachings. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 the problem with that Arty is that its the Palestinians who are the invaders not we Jews. You distort history and lie through your teeth to trick ignorant people to accepting your view but you are nothing more then a liar and a thief. You and all of your heritage. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 yeah right.... please don't get me started. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I firmly believe the right wing lackies loyal to the republican party inside of AIPAC need to be removed with all speed. The spider's web is everywhere but we can clean it out of what we do. The two gentlemen who's careers were ruined should be compensated for their trouble and their reputations repaired while those who sought to destroy them need to be charged with criminal wrongful prosecution. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I absolutely agree with the lawyers. We must make sure that the overly abusive tactics of the GW Bush administration are not left intact and the integrity of our system of government be returned as well as the power of our government returned to the people. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jon McArdle research the Nuremburg trials and the reams of information the Nazi's kept on their Jewish (and others) victims. They were very very anal about that and catalogued every single bit of info. Although many documents were lost in the days before the end because the Vatican and the third Reich were burning them by the ton. They didn't want the world to know, but the guards at the camps ran away leaving the surviving Jews to die on their own. I am one of those who feel it is important to not let these stories die. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If the Catholics were really trying to clarify their position on Jews they would admit to their 1500 year campaign to convert them or torture them to death. History is pretty clear on this and I really don't believe, noting people like Mel Gibson and the WWII pope Pius, things have genuinely changed 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I tend to agree with Ari H on this one (call the newspapers!). It is apparent he isn't going to cause trouble. He fled to Israel and turned himself in willing to spend time in prison for the ability to stay. Although it really is the business of the Israeli courts, I say give the man a chance. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Here's a solution... remove all the Palestinians by whatever means is necessary and get on with the resettlement of Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 yonason you are wrong, you've been wrong and from what I can tell you will continue to be wrong. All you are doing is making yourself look like an ignorant and angry idiot. Stay on track please 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jimmy, you are spreading pure hate and you talk about things you have absolutely no knowledge about. You can find hate speak publications everywhere and knowing where they are doesn't win any friends on the sanity bus. A lot of Islamic followers do want Israel destroyed and the Jews effectively decimated. They are made up of Persians, Arabs, Europeans, British, Canadians, Brazilians, ... they are in every country everywhere. You come off trying to associate Obama, the United States President as an Arab and a Moslim, both of which are untrue statements. If you start off with a lie no one will bother to go any further. You talk liberalism... what does that mean to you and who do you include in that? Me? I am more then prepared to handle people like you. So next time your white sheet is in the laundry venture on out and look me up... I'll be happy to teach you a lesson. You see I am convinced from your statement you are more upset that a Black man was elected president of the United States then any policy that may or may not be in place. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I drove a taxi in a major United States city (one of the top 10) and every day we would line up at the International Airport awaiting fares. I witnessed the hatred and the intentional propaganda by the general population of cab drivers, mostly Iranian, Egyptian, Palestinian, and Syrian. I listened to hours of rants, desires, and plans by these followers of Islam and what they would do to the Jews. Imagine my discomfort, being a Jew myself. These were plain every day people who were honest family men and basically lived good lives and worked hard, but they had one thing in common... they all hated Jews. They blamed Jews for their poverty, their lack of education, the weather... you name it. These experiences have had quite an impact on me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jon McArdle why don't you look up the tons of documents concerning the Jews he turned over to the Nazis under agreement with Adolf Hitler after treacherously offering them sanctuary? How many hail marys does it take to wash the blood of those souls off his hands? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari that again is making absolute statements from generalized points. There aren't too many Jews in Israel, from those that I've talked to, who think giving the Arabs a autonomous state within the boundaries of Israel a good thing. Most of those who do live in your town, again from what I'm told. I know that the reform movement here in the US seem to think is ok, but most of those observe Shabbat with a tour around the local shopping mall, some chinese food, and a movie. My point is not that these aren't deserving Jews as I am sure you will try to say, but that they are so diluted by the generations of separation they don't realize that these people you want to welcome want to kill every one of us. Yes Ari it actually is a lot more complex then the cut and dried way I present it, but when it comes down to the actual application that is how it will be... simple, direct, and terrible. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Goldbarg, Shalom... I don't want the death of any man woman or child, but I am constantly running up against hatred... real violent hatred for Jewish ways because of the spread of a vile form of racism that is called Islam today. It used to be a different religion that taught peace, truth, and worship of Ha-Shem, but today it is a avenue for murder and terror. While any one not just ten but even one person refrains from this advocation hatred and stills his hand from injury to another I will not lay my hands on them. I will not make it my task to harm them, but I have a question to you, sir... How am I going to know the difference? When backed up against the wall even the meanest of cold blooded killers weeps like a child claiming innocence. I really do appreciate your comment, sir... Thank you, 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John Q. I really don't think I will respond to any thing you say any more. You are just plain ignorant and there is no point in trying to enlighten a closed mind. Please don't try to use your silly warped logic on me. I actually have an education. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again you are completely wrong Mr Public or whatever your name is... I don't watch fox news. It's nothing more then a propaganda arm of the right wing fascist movement in the United States. While the subject of a news story on Fox is legitimate the description of said event is usually very distorted and therefore completely useless except as a time line for activity. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 How dare anyone call Jewish settlements on Jewish land, by Jewish people illegal? Those that do may not be taking part in the murder of Jewish children or the bombing on a bus but they are just as guilty of being enemies of Israel and Judaism as a whole. I know those of you who are complicit in these acts oppose my words, but I speak the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari from your posts you seem to believe that progress is capitulation to the Palestinians by inviting them in to your homeland and giving them the land. You and your two state solution are part of the problem, but it is your right to say what you feel is right. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 These families should be able to relocate to where they want to not used as political toys for any organization, but I'm not sure I understand it... I would love go to Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 GW Bush and his buddies took trillions but no one is making them pay for their criminal activity or the lives they ruined. No one is making them pay for the lives they destroyed with their phony war. No one is making them pay for the condition they left the nation in. Just like that K-mart marketing lady, Martha Stewart, Madoff and the other dude although guilty of wrongdoing are being made scapegoats to take the focus off of the really guilty ones. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers I remember your comments about Mr. Stern.... here's a word for you ... hypocrite... go ahead and look it up. I am very concerned that they want to make that Nazi sympathizing ww2 pope a saint. The blood on his hands will never wash off. He brought new meaning to the term Devil's Advocate 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I want to take the names of these arrow-heads and go visit them up close and personally. While that is not a reality for me at this point in my life... perhaps there are those who can and will. Look me up if ya want any help... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hey... if someone dedicates his life to Ha-Shem and Judaism he or she deserves to be let in to the fold. Stop playing bigot people. The thing I am concerned with is that most every hispanic Ive met doesn't uphold any value except his own. In that way they will attempt to make Judaism their own like they've done everything they know, including the language they speak. If anyone is truly working to convert to Judaism... no matter where they come from or who they are... then they should be welcomed. I just have a difficult time believing large masses of Hispanics want to do this all at once. They just have a real bad habit as a collective to make stuff up and claim it's true. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 So claiming your a wise bard is just a wise a** play on words Mr. Weisbard? Or are you trying to intimate you are somehow smarter then the rest of us loudmouths in here? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 All these arm chair dictators... sympathizers for the most wicked and dishonest regime ever in the history of the united states... must be having a field day with their false stories and swift boat propaganda. It's funny that I don't remember anyone with that attitude out in the thick of it. Only after I got back home did I discover it from pot bellied cynics hiding in their garages with a cooler of cheap beer and porno. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yeah GW Bush was a good friend to Israel... smiling and shaking hands while giving over 450 million dollars to update Arab weaponry, tactics, and technology... for peaceful purposes only of course.... not too long after that Israel got the crap kicked out of it in Lebanon. Must have just been a coincidence. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Were there really some of our youth publicly shaming us like that ? Weren't they taught any better? Oh wait they are part of the republican side of the coin aren' they... where being shameful, lying, and betraying your people is an asset. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I'm not sure if there is anyone in Iran stupid enough to believe this outside of Komenei's own ranks. I am sure it will be used as an excuse for some terrorist attack somewhere though. This is why I feel the way I do about Islamics. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol Lawrence... the picture is there so Ari can bash me to my face..... its kind of a joke and I will take it down before too long, I promise. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers the Kurds have an autonomous region in Northern Iraq presently, but only one place on earth has been set aside by Ha-Shem for a people and that is Israel. Everyplace else is for everyone else. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ah yes Egypt and England still trying to sell Israel short. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Rodgers you are not keeping up with the facts or with the situation as a whole. It is hard to participate in these forums if you don't. Just coming to the table with hate doesn't help. Attacking my country doesn't make me want to listen to you either. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers haven't you already been kicked off of here for your racist remarks as Pierre? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 let me answer your questions one by one John Q. 1. There are already laws on the books for crimes like these and punishment has a range of options depending on the Judge and the Jury. Making things specifically more punishable by race, creed, or religion is a violation of the constitution. if you legal opinion varies well I suggest you enroll in a constitutional law class. 2.Rights are irrevocable privileges are not. You seriously need to understand your terms and your legal definitions to stay in this discussion with any degree of sucess. 3. Intentional inciting to riot or rebel is a crime, but a lot of people are offended because of what others say and as a result try to over exert their rights to squash the rights of those saying the offensive things. There is a difference. 4. If you have been watching the news you are aware there is a N. Korean ship heading to the middle east loaded with what the United States believes could be banned weapons, material, or technology and there is a big concern over the consequences of boarding said ship. In conclusion may I suggest you become more familiar with constitutional law and the Bill of Rights. I do not pander to anyone nor do I incinuate things that are completely in violation of the equal rights as guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, no matter how you try to twist what I say to fit your description. I am not attacking you or belittling you, but you feel I am because your point of view is based on emotion rather then fact. That is often the case in here, but I assure you I am well aware of the gravity of the situation facing us today. I make it my job. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I will remove this irritating picture as soon as Ari H sees I am not the one that is hiding myself. I apologize for it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If that is your comment John Q. then it is you who are the misguided one. There are followers of Islam that do live in peace with their Jewish neighbors, but they are very few and far between. The current trend for Islam is to slam anything Jewish or Christian and scream at the top of their lungs for death to Israel and death to America! I, for one, need a simple decision. I won't sit around debating while my brethren are being murdered. I choose the side of Judaism and my people. What do you choose? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari Judaism is a particular faith with particular parameters etc. It has thousands of years of ceremony and tradition with a set book of instruction. Society changes and adapts but Ha-Shem's word and mitzvot do not. If there were a change G-d would tell us. Having a group of people suddenly delcare themselves Jewish and doing things "there way" is why Judaism discourages converts. I know I'm preaching to the choir, but come on man... If these would be converts follow the usual Hispanic method they will claim to be Jews then start doing it "their way" and if they get told they have to follow the ways of Judaism they will start screaming unfair and bias etc until you either cave in or walk away from them. If these people are truly dedicated to conversion to Judaism (which I'm told there really isn't any such thing other then being accepted as Ger) then they will follow the guidelines and practice the faith as has been done for generations. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Passing "hate" laws violates the US Constitution, but these days so many things do. What ever happened to common sense? Yes there are enemies of Judaism in the world and their voice is getting stronger. We should work on that. Not even Komenei's own people believe him, but that doesn't change the fact that his government is working hard to produce nuclear weapons to use against the United States and Israel. There are North Korean ships en route to help supply him with that desire as I write this. To me it would seem better to deal with the issues instead of pander to the panic crowd. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hispanics hijacked christianity with their own version of it and I am sure that is what they are trying to do with Judaism. The problem there is Judaism is the original folks and you shouldn't really make fun of Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 vbb there are genuine examples of people abusing them sometimes to the point of death and as far as that kind of thing goes it should not be tolerated, but there already are laws that protect people... all people... even gays. The thing that needs to be done is for people and the law enforcement to uphold the laws we already do have. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Obama wants both sides to return to the annapolis agreement, if i have the name right, and work out the kinks from there. His desire for a two state Israel is going to derail his effectiveness in almost every thing. The republicans are spending hundreds of millions in smear tactics to bring him down and a large part of his base is a bit concerned because of his stance that, thanks to Mrs. Clinton, appears to be pro Arab. Remember that Mrs. Clinton wants to ruin his presidency without looking guilty and will use her position to "get her way". All lands of Israel as Ha-Shem has ordained need to be returned to the Jews and from there the rest can be easily worked out. Anything short of that will not result in peace. I know I sound like a broken record, but its true. Ya don't have to be a rocket scientist to know that... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers that is rather obvious...even to Iranians. The fact that they did this shows their desperation to turn the anger and frustrations of the Iranian people away from the Imams in charge and on to us. I have to say I am surprised to see how many Iranians really don't hate us and its all just a hard core government thing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yonason you wanted a textbook definition that validated your explanation but unfortunately the only ones that do are found in your extremist fringe book stores. I gave you the most commonly accepted definition of Fascism as described by the people who developed and implemented it. You simply refuse to acknowledge it because... like any good fascist... you will not accept any input unless it compliments your ideology. This isn't the world according to Yonason. You wanted scholarly input and I gave you genuine scholarly input yet it doesnt agree with you so you belittle it... what a loser. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H why don't you print out my posts and print out yours... underline or use highlighter to highlight the comparative issues and then examine them slowly. No need to respond. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol I've entered the land of the loon on this one... the story is about more rights for the gays, but thats what gays have always wanted... more rights, more drugs, more sex, more sleaze, more privilege, more of everything. Now let me again clarify. A person is an intelligent being usually with compassion and understanding regardless of their personal ideology or beliefs, but a group is a stupid argumentative wave of irresponsible emotion that will run like lemmings to destruction without guidance. A person, yes even a gay, can and usually is very reasonable and fair, but get these guys together and its all for them and none for you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Your email proved my point Ari. I laid down all opposition and offered peace between us and you used it as an opportunity to strike at me. That is the human nature of the weak Ari. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rocky the one I've been to has security guards, but really anyone could walk in. It is also in a neighborhood that is now predominantly Hispanic. Hispanics have generally been anti-Semitic from what I've seen and heard, but that may be more of a nationalistic attitude rather then a personal one. I haven't known too many Hispanics that would harm the elderly unless they were crackheads. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes Ari you are right. I do not believe it is healthy for our relationship with Ha-Shem to allow those in the land of Israel that pray to strange gods or practice that which Ha-Shem clearly states as abomination. Now that may be a radical view, but its my opinion. As for the 50 mile buffer zone... that is to protect the children. The absolute extraction is to make a clear statement to all those who would violate it. I am sure even you realize that is not a realistic event, but believe me... if I had to face rocket attacks, suicide bombers, and terroristic stabbings on a daily basis and I were in charge... it would happen. You just sit back in the comfort of your vacation and try to understand what its like to live in fear of those around you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I have said my piece now Ari.... all is forgiven. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh yes... and we Jews have some animosity towards Arabs as well. A lot has to be worked out before we can ever live in peace and your appeasement will not do that. It will only encourage them to strike harder. You just don't know human nature Ari 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I am beginning to think you are posting in here under two or three different names. There appears to be a pattern of your attack. You twist and lie yet obviously you forget that these posts are written and once submitted aren't changed. I have watched you blame Israel for the state of the Palestinians, blame Israel for the terrorism, I have watched you blame me for hating a people that have been trying to kill all of us in a most horrible fashion of cowardice, and you make excuses for the murder of innocent Jewish children just playing in their yards. You advocate turning over of Israeli land to the Arab in a form of appeasement and you dare to attack MY moral standing. The truth is I don't hate the Arab... I do hate the Nazi... I really hate the Nazi and I have to deal with that emotion, but generally hatred poisons the soul. I have played it your way only to have these cowardly backstabbing Arabs attack me as soon as I put my weapons down. I have dealt with them on a level you would crap your pants on. I am a soldier ... an old retired one true, but a soldier none the less. I spend my days trying to care for those unable to care for themselves in an attempt to make amends to G-d and humanity for the deeds I've done, but I am far from a weak willed coward and I don't just hate. I am no bigot. I am no racist. I am very loyal to my G-d, my family, and my people. I have seen things you simply wouldn't understand and I know the Arab will never stop trying to kill all Jews until they are forced to run like the dogs they are. After the great war that is surely coming there will be time for the Arab and the Jew to grow again as brothers, but there is too much hate, too many lies, and too much animalistic wickedness on the part of the Arab leadership to allow that now. You behave like a weak fool with your humanistic flower power attitude, but its because you honestly don't know. I don't find shame in that. I find shame in your trying to tie the hands of those who protect you so that our enemies can overtake us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari I hate to say this but it is true... many Jews went passively to the death camps for whatever reason. It was a relative few who fought the forced relocations and even fewer that escaped the event entirely. The thing this jerk Steve is trying to say without any kind of experience or knowledge at all is that he opposes what I said apparently for personal reasons, none of which are legitimate. At least Leland had a thought process with his rebuttal and he didn't come after me with the utmost of personal attacks as this ....person... did. I don't know what to say except that he is a complete a-hole. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Too bad I can't get in on that... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sure... just as soon as Judea is returned to the state of Israel... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yonason please take some time today and go down to a book store other then a republican reading room and buy a good dictionary. Look up Fascism. I will reprint one for you here. Try, if you can to let go of your hard core hate monger mentality and read it with as much of an open mind as you can muster. This is the truth. Fascism, pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/, comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology.[5] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[6] Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept.[9] Fascism is much defined by what it opposes, what scholars call the fascist negations - its opposition to individualism[10], rationalism, liberalism, conservatism, capitalism, and communism. [11][12] In the economic sphere, many fascist leaders have claimed to support a "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[13][14] This was to be achieved by a form of government control over business and labour (called "the corporate state" by Mussolini). 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Steve you are pretty stupid... let me be blunt. You need to practice with your weapon at least twice a week to maintain proficiency and if you think 25 rounds a practice at a decent firing range is a lot you are completely foreign to the art of marksmanship. Ask a Marine. If you were right in front of me I would punch you in the face for your cowardly comment about the holocaust. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 yonason h. you must be young and reading this from some republican publication... you don't know what you are talking about, but its way too much effort for me to try and educate you as you wouldn't believe me anyway. As for Ari H. How dare you attack my morality? You haven't a clue yet you keep on trying to wound me on a very personal level. When you were a kid did you poke the neighborhood dogs with sticks ? I have always stood where people like you run away screaming in the night. Like I told you earlier, and by the way don't email me again I won't deal with you, you are a weak willed apologist who would rather watch his brother perish then stick his own neck out. That is my opinion of you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari its ok if you don't give out your name... (lol) if isaid some of the things you did I wouldn't want to be known either.... <--- joke You should not be attacked for that. You definitely attack everyone else though and pretend like you are some innocent lamb. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well kudos to you Mr. Rodgers... but I must add that quite a few of your posts are just plain hateful in my opinion and not very factual... just emotional. (as if I'm any better...) 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Susana, peanut brain is a nuclear scientist... a graduate with honors of the United States Naval Academy... no easy feat. He's just old and senile. He is deluded and actually believes he's doing the right thing.... He's OLD! In his prime he was one intelligent but soft person. I best not say any more. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Y Hess study harder... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 metaphorically yonason... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 yonason you are reading the fascist party line... not good for a Jew. Bill Clinton's presidency brought prosperity to most of the world, brought peace to most of the world, and allowed an entire generation to go to school instead of war. He lowered the numbers of infant mortality and enabled social programs that actually did good things for the United States. He inherited a republican stink hole and turned it around in 8 yrs. Then there was Bush... Hillary Clinton has always been a me first kind of person and just like John McCain dumps her so called values for whatever promise of power she is given. The only difference is she very pro Arab, not because she likes them but because she thinks they will control the energy she wants to syphon money from. Bill Clinton was a slut, but a good administrator. GW Bush is a horrible human being AND a terrible administrator. The jury is still out on Obama. By the way yonason the PLO was a lot better for Israel then Hamas is. So please... take your republican propaganda pamphlet and go home... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Remember the stated goal of the Iranian regime is to plunge the world in to horrible war so that their god can gain control of the universe. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland is right. The Iranians have purchased components, technology, and know how from Pakistan, North Korea, the French, China, and Russia. Their biggest hold up is their inability to provide a launch vehicle strong enough to deliver a nuclear warhead. Once that is done it won't take them one day to use it... unless some seriously radical changes occur. They have purchased a nuclear weapon from a terrorist group already, but delivery has proven to be a big problem. They are working on it though. N. Korea may be in the process of delivering a complete unit as I write this. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arkady please develop better english skills. Your writing is atrocious. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 We could always do it Will's way.... march right in to those ant-Semite a-holes classrooms and beat them seriously with an ugly stick... heh... just wishful thinking 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Y Hess step up to the plate and help support JTA so they won't have to accept advertisements like that to keep operating. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ivan, I have to say your statements are quite remarkable considering most of the abuse I've seen at the hands of the gay community was in San Francisco, where I used to live. The intolerance of anyone who didn't agree with their immoral and horribly deviant acts, usually under the influence of drugs, was so commonplace it was considered stupid to be in their "area" and not expect it. They have lobbied hard for the common population to accept their way of life as normal when it is no where near normal or biologically natural and science has long proven that. You claim they don't have a choice in how they feel.... that is absolute rubbish. We have control over our thoughts and our bodies and the wanton sexual desires of perverts towards others of the same sex is completely under the discretion of the person. Now.... I do agree that people in the United States and some other countries have the right to engage in the lifestyle of their choice and because of that I they should be left to live their own lives. The Torah, however, specifically outlaws homosexual acts. There is no other way to interpret that. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari you are again editing the words of Ha-Shem to fit your position. Not a very wise idea, but thanks for the agreement about supporting JTA. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 white supremacist.... think about it.... the very statement contradicts itself. Smarter people would realize that all people are basically the same and as been proven with animal husbandry, traits and strengths can be brought out by breeding.... in every racial division. Therefore by claiming supremacist philosophy you prove you are less able to reason. You knock your own self off the wall. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If no one listened to that kind of nonsense Are Krystal Nacht would not have happened. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Most Arab governments are Feudal in nature. That means the meanest strongest, richest person is usually in charge and there are constant struggles within the population to upset the status quo. Violence and machismo is regarded as a right of passage and murder of the poor is completely ignored. Mexico is a Feudal nation, Hamas is a feudal organization. Afghanistan is a feudal nation as is Iraq... now. The United States declares itself a democracy although the principles of democracy haven't really been practiced in quite a while except for the act of choosing which of the two clones get ushered in to the puppet's chair. The world is fast heading towards a major conflict of what is called "Biblical" proportions and all these self realized proclamations identifying the world governments will fade in to the dust along with most of humanity. It is best for us to realize the extent of the upcoming destruction and facilitate some way of avoiding total destruction of our people. In case anyone has forgotten... its the second mouse that gets the cheese. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 N. Shuster what in the world are you on about? What do you think this entire discussion has been about? And for that matter, since when has the so-called left been aligned with the Arab ideology? My goodness the ignorance and bias in here is enough to choke a whale. The ultra conservatives, as they like to be called, are historically the ones who engage is Jew killing and oppression. The Arabs are far from leftist and fascism is an ultra conservative philosophy. The way the uneducated in there toss words around as if they know what they mean gives me nausea. Religious governments can be fascist in nature but usually they are more despotic. Fascism is more like a company town and the degree of comfort for the general population is determined by the person in charge. The elite are usually free from all the laws and restrictions... well that is like the Saudis. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That is welcome news. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think Mrs. Clinton should go back to the Arkansas tar paper shack she came from. I really don't care for her at all and I find it hard to exhibit any respect for the person, but I do respect her position. The same applied to Mr. Clinton. I really respected his position as President and the job he did, but as a person he was pretty despicable. He did a good job. Mrs. Clinton is probably in the pocket of the Saudis as she really has no values of her own. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I don't know what good it will do for an Israeli Official to meet with Ms Clinton. She has already made her mind up. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That is wonderful news! Now all we need from Homeland Security is to actually find and remove the 15 to 20 million illegals from the country, provide adequate border security, and enforce the laws already on the books. Doing those things will greatly increase our security. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari while I cannot say that suffering is any less real whether it be Jew or Arab, I can say that almost all of the suffering is a direct result of the Arab and other right wing Neo Nazi groups. I have a very hard time finding sympathy for these murderous people and I am still confused why you do. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 While I mean no disrespect for Reformist Jews, I really don't understand them. How can you accept any deviation from Judaism and call it Judaism? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is another in a long list of reasons why there should be no two state solution, no acceptance of Arabs in Israel, and no peace with the Arabs at all until their terrorist arm is completely eradicated. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Heh.... I actually agree with Ari H. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Did someone get booted off the forum is that why these post replies make no sense? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, what are you talking about? I have been completely confused by your second post there.... As far as some untrained man with a .22 In our Temple last Chanukkuh, an elderly member carried a weapon into it and accidentally dropped it injuring two people when it went off. No one was killed. The point is that in untrained hands a weapon is more of a danger to the innocent people then the criminal. Most of my family is in law enforcement and I myself am a Viet Nam vet. We are very familiar with the use of weaponry. Still I do not advocate carrying weapons, especially concealed ones. The mentality of an individual that wants to walk around with a firearm in his waistband is pretty scary. Organized and trained members of your community who volunteer for such security duties is a good idea. Having regular training to teach identification of possible threats and in the use of restraint and weapons usage is also a good idea. I really don't know of any law enforcement officers who support the proliferation of untrained emotional people carrying firearms. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I don't understand why the Bar Mitzvah shouldn't have occurred. Maybe I am missing a piece of the puzzle here... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What I am more concerned with is that an Islamic cleric is the head chaplain 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers do you have any sense of justice at all or are you just a blinded racist? From the information there is no indication whether anything wrong was done at all but for two officials to resign while an Islamic Imam goes ahead and oks it tells me something is wrong. I need more information before I choose to summarily dismiss the process of our justice system. Not everyone hates Jews Mr Rodgers. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 correction.... The entire premise that anything Jewish had anything to do with this nomination is pure bull****. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The entire premise that anything Jewish had anything to do with this nomination. Mrs Sotomayor is not specifically pro Jewish at all. She has openly admitted her bias is towards hispanic women who've had to endure the oppression of white men which, to most hispanics, includes the Jewish. Hate groups use anything they can to cement their ideology in the weak minded. For example... Lawrence Rodgers posts. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dave Neil what does reporting news have to do with the content of the news? Don't blame the messenger. I may not agree with everything said in here or reported by JTA but I do support JTA's efforts to report it. Unfortunately for JTA at this time I am unable to support them, but I do hope that there are enough people that benefit from JTA that would. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Having an area known for being openly receptive to gays is more like Sodom then Israel. I have already heard from all the pro-gay people including those who've quoted twisted Torah readings to support their positions. Homosexuality is forbidden in Judaism. All you gays who will get upset over my statements just take a breath. You will not change my mind or the greater majority of humanity that agrees with me. Those of us who've had to deal with your kind already know why. Let me clarify that not every gay I've encountered caused revulsion in me. Some showed themselves as accepting of other people's points of view and respected that. I absolutely have respect for them and have no problems with interacting socially with them. Most, however, are merely immoral wanton abusers who want to destroy anything and anyone that doesn't cater to their disgusting decadence. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yonason H. I voted for Obama and believe me I am a very staunch supporter of real conservative values, not the wicked values of our current republican party, but real conservative values which includes investing in our social structure, education, and social welfare instead of scouring the world for profit and power. If you know of someone who would be a better candidate for US President lets hear it other wise take your right wing bull**** and go home. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Bullroar... as hardcore as this sounds I am a lot harder on this matter then yonason h. is. After the last 61 years of history in dealing with you Arabs I would clear everyone out for at least a 50 mile radius around the boundaries of Israel Ha-Shem laid down and any Arab that wouldn't move I would erradicate in a most violent way. I want to make it very clear that my Jewish brothers are worth more to me then a million Arabs simply because of what you Arabs have been doing to us for the last one thousand years. During the Christian invasion of Jerusalem when they murdered every man woman and child it was the Arab Islamic that came to our rescue and if we could foster that kind of comradre again I would have absolutely no objection to Arab neighbors, but that is a fools game today. The only Arab I ever seem to run in to wants to kill me and my family. So... what do you think I want to do to you? The Arabs have been infected by an insane violent rot of lies that has destroyed their very seed and it will take a major uprooting to clear out the field. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Having a firearm is by itself little deterrent Leland. We have a general rule... if you don't put at least 50 rounds a week through your weapon at the range you aren't qualified to carry it. That is because you have to be able to effectively use the weapon, not just carry it. A weapon in the hands of the untrained is a gift to an attacker. There are other means of providing security that need to be looked at as well. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 correction Gadsden Purchase... sorry 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ben Klein you are right about the American Indians but completely wrong about the Mexicans. Mexico is a relatively young country (about 80 yrs younger then the USA) and the United States took no land from Mexico. The Mexican primary education system falsely says different more out of a sense of machismo then out of fact and the result is millions of illegal Mexican immigrants to the United States hate us because they believe we stole their land. That is completely false. We did buy some land from Mexico called the Gadston Purchase of what is now southern New Mexico. The land called Mexico was not a cohesive society until well in to the mid 1800's. The area was colonized first by the Spanish who settled the indigenous populations all the way up to what is now San Francisco routing the Coastal Indians who were living in the area. Mexico is a nation made up of the remnants of four populations centered around what is now southern Mexico through what is now Brazil. The wars these people fought completely decimated these populations. Cortez further decimated them but as history will show that was more in the Andes and surrounding areas not Mexico. Mexico, in it's fledgling efforts tried to annex Texas and other areas as Mexico but the settlers there chased them back across the Rio Grande and while the theme park 6 flags claims Mexico flew its flag over Texas etc it was for a very very brief time and General Santa Anna was sent packing without his wooden leg back to Mexico. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Israel belongs to the Jews. Ha-Shem set it up and laid out the boundaries. Anyone who advocates abridging these boundaries is wrong and in contradiction with the ways of Ha-Shem. Peace is a wonderful thing and like everything else must be earned. There is no peace without respect and there is no respect without standing up for what is yours. These Arabs are liars and thieves. They are terrorists and murderers. If you want a Palestinian state (land of Philistines) then take the land back from Jordan that was Palestine and leave Israel to the Jews. Whether or not you believe me a radical, a nut, or whatever... I am right and Israel will come to be what it is supposed to be. You cannot win against Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lawrence Rodgers GW Bush was a traitor to the American people and he desecrated the office of the President of the United States.... He lied and cheated to put the us in a war with a country that never...I repeat... never attacked us and that alone is a traitorous act. There have been roughly 254 incidents where he intentionally broke the laws of the United States for his own personal reasons as President and many of those laws are felonies. He is easily the worst president we have ever had in our entire history. He is guilty in the deaths of thousands of United States soldiers. As an old soldier I am utterly disgusted by his acts of cowardice and treason. But as a big tough armchair bubba you probably think he's a hero like that drug addict Limbaugh. Jimmy Carter is a weak willed apologist who has gone over the edge. He cannot see things for what they are and he still believes he has authority in these issues, but he doesn't. By the way does anyone remember his brother Billy was an agent for the Libyan government? Jimmy Carter is a fundamentalist Southern Baptist preacher who thinks Jews are responsible for the death of his god. The man has gone over to the tooth fairy's neck of the woods... ok? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Very good Ari... of course those documents will be forged. There are literally tons of records showing exactly the opposite that came to light during the Nuremburg investigations in spite of the tons of records both the Nazi regime and the Vatican were burning night and day towards the end of the war. The Catholic church opened its doors to Jewish refugees looking for sanctuary and then turned them over to the Nazis per written agreement between the Vatican and Hitler. It is funny how after only one generation people have forgotten this. I guess they waited until everyone of enough age to remember it have died. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again Ari you intentionally LIE to make yourself look oppressed. I said because of our recent interactions i tend to see your posts more then others. I also said that it may not be fair but it is the truth. You really need to stop this propaganda campaign of yours before you end up in trouble. Seriously This childish game of yours has gotten very tiring. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Increased security will decrease open access. That is an unfortunate trade off and one I do not like. The sad truth is the need for safety of the general Jewish population takes precedence over the open access we are all so used to. Every event I go to now, and every time I go to Shul I think about what would happen if one of those crazed haters were to invade the gathering. Go ahead and increase the security. I'll put up with it. It's better then going to funerals for my murdered friends. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari I said no such thing, but you are not in the habit of being honest or fair. I said that pollsters intentionally reflect the desired outcome those who hired them and if you actually had any real experience in statistical psychology you would know this. Polls are used to influence people not to reflect actual fact. I would imaging their cross section sample group was less then .001% of the population and targeted in specific demographics. In other words Ari the poll's accuracy is limited by its total respondent numbers and demographic cross section. Again, please stop twisting my words and rearranging my sentences. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland they should already be leaving. They should have already left. It should not be a bargaining chip for the wicked Iranian regime to prevent the defense of Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I hope this turns out not to be true 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari read your post over a few times. Can't you see how weak and apologetic it is? These stalinists let many people, most of them Jewish, die of starvation for no other purpose then political motivation. Now they are trying to blame the Jews. This is not something to just excuse or whitewash over. This is another incident of atrocities committed against the Jews not the other way around. We should not stand by and let the people who are responsible for it blame us. There are thing worth standing up for Ari. I hope one day you will figure that out. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari, the last few exchanges we've had causes me to read your posts more then others. As fair or unfair as that is... its the truth. Leland fyi Mr Carter is a millionaire in his own right, but yeah he probably does use foundation funds to play diplomat. The important thing is he really isn't one. He used to be a President... one of the weakest ones in our history, That is still a far cry better then the kind of president GW Bush was. Mr Carter's only international claim to fame was his brokered peace agreement between Palestine and Israel which was only a ruse by the Palestinians to give them time to update their weaponry and training, to indoctrinate children as suicide bombers, and to recruit murderous thugs around the world using Saudi money and US Aid money. Mr Carter has deteriorated in to a senile fool and while his life is one that should be respected(habitat for humanity alone is worthy of honor and respect), the life he is leading now is one of cowardice and shame. I don't feel attacked by you Leland. A lot of the time I feel you are my only friend in here. I still fire off at you when I feel you are wrong wrong wrong (LOL) as I do the rest. I have to tell you I am a conservative democrat by political philosophy, probably more of a centrist, but I am a very staunch believer in Judaism and in social freedom although that does seem to be a contradiction from first glance. I don't find Judaism a social restriction although many seem to. I find it to be a very socially rewarding way of life which I whole heartedly embrace. I have a lot of trouble making peace with those who would harm, torture, or kill my fellow Jews...even those who don't act like Jews Ari. I was raised to stand up for what I believe in and I am somewhat disgusted by people without the internal courage to do the same. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Rosenzweig you are technically correct but most US Citizens refer to the US as America. It is an ignorant misnomer true, but an innocent one. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari... you constantly try to push your appeasement philosophy and no one wants to hear it... Get a clue will ya? The only reason Arabs are in Israel is to cause division and confusion. Well the children are just being children I hope, but the greater majority of Adults believe their false history as taught by their Imams. That is why Israel being a Jewish state therefore the bastion of Judaism should not have any moslems in it at all, or Christians for that matter, or Hindu, or Buddhists, or whatever. Those in Israel need to respect the ways of Ha-Shem. That is my opinion. But, if by Israeli law others are allowed to live in the free democracy of Israel then they should have the very same rights as anyone else. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 So when did this forum become a racists blog? Goodness Michael Dworkin you are seriously messed up. I don't even know what to say to you. Palestinians as a group are taught from childhood to hate anything Jewish. That is what they are taught in school and in their Mosques. They are indoctrinated to believe what they do. There are groups of every racial diversity in the world that follow a type of indoctrination like that, usually out of environmental disadvantage, looking for a scapegoat. Intelligent people realize that as human beings we are all pretty much alike. Whites, Blacks, Browns, and Yellows (to follow the usual crude divisions) try to find peace and comfort in like sympathies, but education allows us to overcome those fearful reactions and see each other as we really are. There are people in this world who use hate and fear as an excuse to attack Jews and that effects me. That is where I draw the line Mr. Dworkin. I definitely don't use the color of their skin as a marker of their abilities or their privilege, or their mindset. Individuals are usually intelligent thoughtful people. It's the mob mentality that echoes anger and hate. You have serious issues dude. I mean serious issues. I realize you don't understand why, but please... get some help. By the way there are several nations on the planet that use the schools to teach children things to foster animosity towards others and that is the hardest of all biases to overcome. Texas does it... Mexico does it... China does it... the Palestinian system does it... Iran does it... etc etc etc and believe me sanctioned reinforced propaganda is the hardest to overcome, but blatant racial hatred is completely unacceptable. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Maria Ferrari, usually polling companies are hired by a specific organization to render a particular answer. They use demographic data with a (+-) error rating of 2%. What they do is us quantitative polling in given demographic areas in what is known as a sample group. Since they target their sample group to given demographic cross sections they can pretty well determine the answer they are going to get. Also, the questions are specifically worded to lead the respondent to giving the desired answer. Then they compile the results and use the 2% error rule to remove answers that do not agree with the desired result. This, as any professional pollster knows, is how you use statistics to lie. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Ari I did not say Rob Emmanuel is pro- Arab. I said Hillary Clinton is, but she is well known for that. Mitchell is only following her orders. The United States is not all for a Palestinian state regardless of what misleading propaganda Ms Clinton is trying to shove down everyone's throat and if Mr. Obama continues to advocate such even in the midst of the logrithmic increase in world wide violence of Jews, I will actively oppose him as well. I supported him since his speech at the Democratic convention in 2004 and I have worked hard for his election believing what he said, but if evidence shows me he is willing to trade Israel to make peace with the Arabs I will actively work towards his defeat. I live in the United States and as such the USA is my home. I believe my home comes first, but Israel is like the old family homestead and I will stand for its protection and perpetuity with every breath. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dave Swaim your ignorance overwhelms you. Please refine your scattered attack into a cognitive statement I can understand.... try spell check if that helps. fyi Ari... that too is sarcasm 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 (sorry) to give any of our territory to the greedy Arab who only wants to murder us in our beds. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H the only way you could construe your meaning to my words is if you are intentionally twisting them to fit your agenda. That has been my complaint to you from the start. You only hear what you want and if it differs from you, you make it in to something it's not. There is no possible way anyone who follows Torah or Ha-Shem can rationalize a two state solution for Israel. That also has been my point from the beginning. I understand how the weak willed apologists are willing to give up their birthright for a promised peace (that will never come), because they are too afraid. I have been afraid and I have been in "the fight" and I know just because I fear doesn't mean I will trade my values for the promises of liars and murderers. I know that is a very hard core statement Ari and I am sorry if it offends you. I wish you would go back to the beginning... at the giving of the commandments at Sinai and start reading with the help of a good Orthodox Rabbi, and study. I mean no offense to any of my brethren, truly. I do not feel, however, that I need to cower before anyone in defense of my faith or my people. I am sorry that you do. Israel is one small island of Judaism in a world of Arabs. It is insignificant in size compared to the 23 or so Arabic nations that surround it. There is NO LEGITIMATE REASON 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H the only help the average Palestinian gets is what trickles down from the Hamas leadership. It's merely the crumbs while the lion's share goes to support the constant attack on Israel and Jews at large. I am pretty sure you already know that and there really is no rational excuse for your trying to convince anyone that opening the floodgates will change that at all. You forget it's already been done several times and each time it was followed by attacks. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari your attack on Leland is completely unfounded but at least you are consistent most people who lack the courage to stand up in real life try to in anonymous forums. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My goodness I am shocked Ari... but thanks just the same. I am not a psychotherapist though. I am an old soldier who has seen many sides of the same old argument and the reality is you cannot change the mind of a terrorist or an uneducated hate monger full of fear. if you cannot detain you will have to kill him. Steve you call me a bigot and trailer trash... you don't know me at all and I know you wouldn't call me that to my face. I remember Jimmy when he was an effective (well almost) leader, but that was before he fell victim to the Stockholm syndrome by proxy because of the Iranian hostage crisis. In the last decade of so of his life he has become a tool of the Arab propaganda efforts. He never could tell the difference between honest repentance and deceitful trickery. His willingness to let the wolf in to the chicken coop is what makes him a fool and again Steve, there is no fool like an old fool. That, by the way, is because most young fools get themselves killed off. If you think appeasing these Arabs will fix the problem you are just as big of fool as Carter is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Richard Bloom you are apparently a bigot and closed minded twit. I really have nothing more to say to you. I would suspect this opinion poll. I wonder what their sample group was. While Islam is the fastest growing religion in the USA it is mostly among blacks and that group only represents 13 percent of the entire United States population. There are many more people of Judaic - Christian roots that will oppose any weakening of the United States' support of Israel. Ari again all you do is make excuses and apologies. I really believe it is because you are so blind to reality you think your teletubbies mentality will actually effect anyone. It won't. The Arab threat is real. The neo-nazi (extreme arm of right wing politics) threat is real. The weakening of world leaders in their support of freedom and integrity is also very real. These threats will not go away because you want to put a daisy in the barrel of their rifle. They will still kill you. Stop being so weak... reach down and grab a pair. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Do you have any clue where all the medicine and supplies go Ari H? It goes to the Hamas terrorists who use it on their members when they get hurt while the non-hamas palestinians still do without. They use the money to buy military supplies and to build rockets and dig tunnels. OH... and to live lavishly while the average Palestinian starves in squallor. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari no it is one Palestinian liar trying to convince people who know better and you... who always seems to take their side. Personally I have no use for those who would murder my family for no other reason besides irrational hatred 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly Disgusted here's a thought.... if we were actually trying to slaughter Palestinians you wouldn't be here to bitch.... neither would any of your lying rabble either. Yeah that is inflammatory... stop lying. Palestine was a nation, made up mostly of Jews that disappeared somewhere around 100ce. It was renamed by the greeks to insult the inhabitants. In the early 1900's it was again forced upon the region by the British in a bid to stave off the colonial rebellions that were sweeping the region. Palestine used to be what is now Jordan, not Israel. Israel was there long before Palestine and in 1948 when the British finally turned over a portion of Israel back to the Israelis (we Jews). You Arabs didn't want the land until it became Israel again and no matter what concession we gave you constantly and cowardly murdered our children and our women and our men. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thoroughly disgusted... you either don't know what you are talking about or you are just trying to stir up trouble. This is supposed to be a forum for an intelligent discussion and personally I usually wait until the third moron rants or I get insulted at least 4 times before I start getting irate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 fyi Ari that last comment was sarcasm. It is meant to convey a perception rather then a fact. The previous one however.... is specifically stated as TRUTH. I hope you can tell the difference. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I just checked Ari and I did NOT say a Rabbi wasn't a proper Jew.... but still I have clarified my answer and clearly stated my position. If you want to hide with the women and children so be it. I will stand at the wall if allowed. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H I will say this, hopefully, for the last time. I don't care what you do with any teeny speck of land outside the boundaries of Israel as set down by Ha-Shem... I really don't care who lives there! Israel is Israel and not to be turned over to others... period. A two state solution is only an attack against Israel. I said anyone who supports a two state solution is NOT following the dictates of Ha-Shem and it is very very very very very (catch on yet Ari?) anti G-d to install religious leaders who do not uphold the ways of Ha-Shem. The Jewish people have rebelled since day one and that apparently is our nature, but the Priests and Rabbis should not advocate such regardless of any personally held belief. If their conscience contradicts from their instruction they need to step down. I may have indicated they aren't proper Rabbis, which I admit I should not do so I won't in the future, but I did not say they weren't proper Jews. I did mention those whose blood is Jew but who's heart is not as not really Jews, but I take that from Torah. Show me where I'm wrong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well they also said the Titanic couldn't be sunk.... How many trips did it make?? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jimmy Carter is an old fool and there's no fool like an old fool. He is obsessed with maintaining his image as THE peacemaker of the middle east. Jimmy Carter has no authority, no political power, and no say in the matter. Listening to him is only for the purpose of entertainment. Pierre I have read most of your comments and while your heart may be in the right place it is you who seems insane....and a hater, just not a Jew hater. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari explain to me where moving the foxes in with the chickens protects the chicken coop. Your entire way of thinking is flawed... from the start. You fail to recognize life as it really is which makes you unable to make a valid decision. I am not opposed to peace, but I and many who have to live the life you continuously fail to grasp, know you cannot make peace with someone who only wants to kill you. You are one of those golly gee everybody just wants a smoothie people.... absolutely impervious to the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Neil, as an observant conservative Jew I don't know of any Rabbi that openly supports a two state solution for Israel. Please reserve your comments for those Reform Rabbis who believe whatever you feel is right is ok... Before Ari and the other apologists attack me, let me clarify and say that I don't know of any... I am sure that its possible there are some. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari again you meddle in areas you are ignorant of. Standing up for the dictates of Ha-Shem is exactly what we, as Jews, are supposed to do. The people who say they are Jews, by blood, but are not Jews by philosophy have lost their say in this. It is up to those of us willing to stand for what is right regardless of the cost to ourselves. In this way we do what we were born to do. You, on the other hand, have so weakened yourself by acceptance of that completely against the ways of your people (yes you say you are Jewish so it is not my place to contradict you), that you fail to see the validity in standing up for Israel as G-d has ordained. A Rabbi who openly opposes what Ha-Shem has directed, for whatever reason, has some serious issues to deal with. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well the way reformists described themselves to me when they were courting me to join their synagogue was that they believe what they want to and reject what they don't like. That doesn't sound like Judaism at all. Tradition, ritual, and structure is the framework of Judaism. I find the willingness of Reform Judaism to take a stand so diametrically opposed to Ha-Shem's instruction to be right up their ally. That is why I am concerned with the use mainly of Reform Jews in Obama's administration rather then Orthodox or Conservative Jews. The two state solution is a no-win scenario for Israel 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ivan... nonsense. This is the attitude I get from almost (remember I said almost) every Arab I meet. If I didn't favor my Irish dad they would probably scream obscenities at me too, but usually they don't take me for Jewish... as some of my Jewish brethren don't. Thiis hateful rectal refuge of a human being is behaving like the greater majority of Arabs, Persians, Islam converts, and neo-nazis as well as Marxists. There is NO negotiating with them Ivan. There is only conflict. I don't know why you defend this Islamic tirade of hatred and murder Ivan. It bothers me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 More often then not the far right being of fascist philosophy is constantly looking for an easily identifiable group it can blame for the socio-economic problems it causes. The Jews being a small (comparatively) and basically peaceful group that usually keeps to themselves is an easy target. That is why the trend of right wing governments and supremist groups is so dangerous to us. It is true that hatred is neither a right or left philosophy. It is a reaction of uneducated and fearful people which can be easily molded and directed by strong willed despots. The plain fact is 9 out of 10 times it's the fascist right wingers not the so-called totalitarian communists, who are just as bad but on the other spectrum. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dave Petteys gets it too 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 At least Erin Laporte gets it. As far as Mr Gamero goes, one can lead a horse to water but one can't make it drink. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ivan I am impressed at how close to the mark you are.... kudos. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 For whatever insane reason you have Ari H you continuously claim YOUR opinion is the opinion of most Israelis... not even close. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Remember above all the Mitchell works for Hillary Clinton and she is one of the most pro Arab wolves in sheeps clothing the US has in active service. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Abraham Lincoln was a republican and he was assassinated by members of his own political party for what they considered treason. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Paul Winter how do you rationalize using both generalization assumptive technique and absolute assumptive technique in the same formula? Any first year student would piss that one away. The United States is pandering to all sides trying to wiggle it's way back in to some level of influence that all but disappeared under GW Bush and his policy of bully and lie. There are some hard realizations everyone involved is going to have to come to terms with but the most crucial is that there can never be a two state solution.... The United States fought a war against itself, one of the bloodiest conflicts of mankind, to prevent that using the freeing of slaves as a pretext. In truth it was about containing the huge economic advantage the south had because of it's free (wickedly perverse yes, but still free) labor. The industrialized north could not compete with it and was suffering at the hands of greedy southern based fascist style plantation owners... Today we call them republicans. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That is a really troubling turn of events... but apparently its the way its been done for years 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 and most of those were Arabs... A two state solution is no solution at all. It only gets the Arab terrorist closer to the heart of Israel with a better supply line for weapons. How can anyone believe a fanatic willing to kill without provocation will suddenly change? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland please define Zionist and anti-Zionist from your point of view please. Sylvia no, Obama was a hard working self made person who worked his way through two of the best universities in the nation and received many accolades by said schools for his outstanding work. His association with the church of Mr Wright... I dont call people reverend... was more out of his association with his neighborhood and his heritage. He has shown himself to be very even handed and these attacks are at this point, wrong. Why work yourself up in to a ferver and in to the hands of the party that destroyed our country in 8 short years? While I would prefer more orthodox and conservative Jews in his white house family, he has a lot of intelligent Jews in important positions. He has even appointed republicans when they were the best choice. Stop trying to poison the well... You will get thirsty too. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There are serious issues facing us ranging from burning down synagogues, beatings, and attacks to out right murder. There are world wide sanctioned conferences in many countries attended by so called dignitaries of many nations denigrating Jews and Judaism as a whole, threatening the very existence of Israel, but all I hear are petty idiots crying about how their warped political viewpoints are not paid enough attention to. Children are being murdered in their yards at play! Teenagers are stabbed on their way to school. Areas of the former USSR have burned out entire Jewish neighborhoods. Governments, like Hungary for example, are electing Hitler like leadership and right wing supremist groups are popping up everywhere. Every western nation is trying to force Israel in to giving up its territory and letting the Palestinian terrorist in, but here we argue over the meanings of words.... semantics. With the exception of a very few, most of the comments in here are emotional rants of inaccuracy and anger. We need to get together on one track for one purpose as one body of humanity and I don't know if that is possible any more. I am attacked from both sides of the nut... the apologetic appeasers on one side and the right wing haters on the other.... both sides claim I'm the other... Yet only two people have attacked my faith and my relationship with my fellow Jews and Ha-Shem. To those two I find no redeemable quality, but I gladly admit its not me who judges. Fact: Fascism comprises a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology[1][2][3][4] and a corporatist economic ideology.[5] Fascists advocate the creation of a single-party state.[6] Fascists believe that nations and/or races are in perpetual conflict whereby only the strong can survive by being healthy, vital, and by asserting themselves in combat against the weak.[7] Fascist governments forbid and suppress criticism and opposition to the government and the fascist movement.[8] Fascism opposes class conflict, blames capitalist liberal democracies for its creation and communists for exploiting the concept. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Gamero I didn't attack you personally. I simply told you that the right wing arm of our political process have been the ones who've generally been found as the ones who persecute etc the Jews, the Blacks, the Asians, etc...except for the Arabs cuz they have the oil. Your tirade is not only poorly written but full of holes. I am tired of dealing with you intolerant jerks who try to make it look like it is I who is intolerant because I am fed up with allowing your intentional misconceptions go with out comment. I would guess by your reply that you are a fanatical right wing (or fascist if you want to be accurate) person and any thing that sounds like it disagrees with your mantra is a personal attack. You have pretty much said everyone who disagrees with you is left wing and thus a dirty commy. You dare to tell me how Ha-Shem feels about what I do and say.... you sir have condemned yourself. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In spite of your sarcastic tone Leland, aren't you one of those academic professional types? What I usually see are arm chair bullies like Pierre Goldshmid or apologetic appeasers like Ari H... There is rarely any concerted effort of intelligent discourse with solutions in mind. I must say that this is a prime example of the average Arab. It is my opinion the entire world would be better of without them... well at least most of them. I know I know 'm just being a racist while they are only trying to protect themselves from the big bad Jew. Any of us with half a brain are already preparing and the truth is there simply won't be the time or the place to care for the rest of you so...try to get a grip... a real one. Be a part of the cure. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Pierre, ya know... it really pisses me off to hear you badmouth people you know nothing about. It gets my goat. Bernie Madoff was a crook and he will pay for his dishonesty. It was nothing compared to to conspiracy of wealthy core republicans that raped the United States of over 2 trillion dollars and left us in a mess we may never climb out of or the war on three fronts that GW Bush and his cronies started with lies and trickery that have killed tens of thousands and maimed even more that is bleeding us completely dry of our children and our money. These men in charge of these organizations are greedy... of that there is no doubt and trust me they will pay for it, but it is more our task to control our own lives and strive to live a life according to Torah and let G-d take care of the wicked in our midst. The percentage of dishonest Jews is but a trickle compared to the wide flood of white right wing capitalist crook or the other racial examples. The Jew in the world is a very small minority and the dishonest among us make up up a microcosm of that . 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It was a crime of hate Charlie but categorizing something as a hate crime and thus subject to more severe penalty is actually a violation of the US Constitution, but fearful panic stricken people are blind to the ever increasing noose tightening against the throat of freedom in exchange for that false sense of security the people are being blinded with. This man and his cohorts need to be dealt with, but this is being used as an opportunity to further remove the rights of the citizens of the United States. We are fast becoming the kind of population that allowed the Nazi take over of an entire nation in the thirties. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Pierre, the french mostly, but also the chinese, the north koreans, the russians, and pakistan sold them some of the parts and a lot of the technology, there were many other private companies in Britain and the United States that provided some parts through 3rd and 4th party suppliers. All this was made possible thanks to the GW Bush administration. Thanks Georgie Jr... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That's beavis Leland... not beaver. Mr. Goldshmid tends to be a bit "right wing" regardless of truth which is just as bad as being "left wing" regardless of the truth. I wander that great expanse in the middle teetering from side to side only sure of one thing... if its either them or us.... it's gonna be us! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well I hear the words but I'm not so sure Ukrainian Jews can afford to adopt a wait and see attitude. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 i hate when that happens.... as I was saying... the people that occupied that land prior to the sanctioned return of Judaism were placed there like an artificial reef by the British in the early 1900's. Take your cowardly appeasement doctrine somewhere else then in front of me... I will not cower before it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Salman Danish no one who advocates or supports a two state solution is being a friend to Israel no matter whether they are merely deluded or if they are seriously anti-Semitic. Open up your eyes to the reality of the situation. The area that makes up Israel is extremely tiny in comparison to the surrounding Arab land and the people that occupied the land prior to THE SANCTIONED RETURN 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Wright has been shown to be a racist and a liar.... Obama has distanced himself from the man. Obama went to the church in Chicago more out of support for his brethren then as a political statement. Wright is only trying to increase his influence on the back of Obama. Obama has already said he will no longer talk with Mr Wright. This guilty by association angle is a tool of hate mongers not intelligent people. There are things I am upset with Obama doing but I don't hold what those around him say against him. Let the fruit of his own tree tell that story. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 sylvia scott ... seriously are you kidding? You would let a fanatical hate monger in a fringe area of his own community cause you to jump from the left center to the far right? That makes no sense at all. Neither do your comments about Obama being a Moslem or whatever. As far as whether Obama is a make believe Christian like GW Bush was, assumed the title to run for governer of Texas in a backyard barbecue with Karl Rove...while both were getting drunk by the pool, that remains to be seen. One of the tenets of Christianity comes from Judaism. It is toleration of other's points of view. Obama has been doing a lot of politicking to Arabs and Eastern Europeans in an attempt to bring them back to negotiations which is not a bad thing. Mr. Bush made a mockery of Judaic-Christian ethics in his immoral campaign for world domination, but as of yet Obama has only tried to return everyone, including Israel, to the agreements already made. If any of these agreements are to be abridged then it is the negotiation table where they should be abridged... not the battlefield. The battlefield is where no negotiation takes place... only death. Sylvia the right wing republican party is full of racist elitists who want to take advantage of all the wealth, resources, and people that they can without extending the hand of equality, but hey if that's the lot you want to be cast in.... so be it.... make your own bed. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am way too tired of tolerating the propaganda machine that is the so-called right wing entity. In every nation where such a party is in power Jewish people are oppressed, abused, and murdered. As the population grows more closely together and money becomes harder and harder for the general masses to hang on to the so called right wing power base will ratchet up its media campaign to insinuate it is the Jews fault as they always have in spite of the fact that most Jews are of very modest means, myself included. The reason they do this is to take the focus away from the fact that it is they themselves who are robbing the world of it's riches. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Gamero the people on the right as you so blatantly put it have persecuted, expelled, and murdered the Jews generation after generation, but I guess truth never does make any difference to a right wing speech. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Pierre I have to let you in on a secret.... Fascism is an extremely "rightist" philosophy not a leftist one.... Keep on trying though... You have the passion just not the education. Read some books, take some classes... Curb your enthusiasm 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 well Eric I'm glad you arent in charge... We need every bit of the land Ha-Shem has promised us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 this is horrible and a big reason why I believe Palestinians are barbaric animals 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I have to agree with Carole Clarke on this one. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The Tiller murder was committed by a crazed fanatic of the Catholic persuasion and not an attack on Jews or blacks. It is wrong to stir up fear and anger by lumping this in to the definitely increasing anti-Semitic activity. There are plenty of genuine examples. In case anyone has forgotten... the fastest growing religion in the United States is Islam and its almost exclusively "a black thing". Islamic converts are NOT interested in liberty for all. They believe in everything for them and death to everyone else. The Jews have always had to stand on their own in the clinches. Even their friends tend to turn their backs when the going gets tough. We do have a lot of fair weather friends and there are actually some gentile groups that would stand with us, but they are by far the minority. In truth G-d is pretty much our most staunch ally and as such we need to do more for Ha-Shem. I am sure some one is going to call me a racist and a bigot because I speak the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 As one can clearly see in this and many other examples.... Canadian leaders speak of friendship towards Israel but in reality support the Arab terrorist point of view and what could possibly be the reason? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Annapolis accords etc.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Pierre please stop using falsehood to bias one against another. There is a lot of pressure for the United States to use leverage to make Israel accept the accords its own politicians agreed to. Personally I think it is wrong and all land belonging to Israel as set out by Ha-Shem needs to be returned to Israel. The truth is it was Israel's own leaders that agreed to the Oslo accords and the other agreements. They were a serious mistake. There can be no two state solution. There must be peace and security for all of Israel. Then and only then can we begin to repair our relationship with the Palestinians and others. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I read a report from YNET news this morning about a group of Palestinians that ran to the rescue of people in a car crash and pulled them to safety, acquired the emergency vehicles and very well may have saved their lives. The people involved in the crash were Jewish and in spite of the political ferver and high stress over the differences in philosophy these Palestinians with no thought for themselves rescued them without hesitation. This is what I believe in. I don't always agree with people I deal with, but I wouldn't think of hurting them or inciting violence against them. A lot of people don't agree with me and I would really hate for someone to attack me for my beliefs. The fact that this actually happened and these lives were saved above and beyond the animosity both sides feel towards each other does more to give me hope and stem my anger towards Arabs then anything else I can think of. It gives proof that there actually is the possibility of peace and that is very welcome to me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bravo! The two state solution is nothing but failure on the hoof. Only those with a hidden agenda or absent of common sense can openly support a two state solution. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is the whole thing in a nutshell... http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/middleeast/Top_Ten_Myths_about_the_Middle_Eas.asp 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This used to be cause to call out the Marines ... to the shores of Tripoli! Now its pander pander pander.... my how things have changed 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is the very last time I will respond to you Ari H. You have gone out of your way to attack me on a personal level and you are intentionally spreading falsehoods to do it. That is lying any way you look at it. You are constantly defending the Palestinian terrorist, the Iranian jihadist, and the Nazi. You claim you are a Jew and that I am some radical evangelical christian, but you use fabricated statements to back that up. I am tired of your slander. I have had my limit of being attacked by you because I tell you what I see. This forum is to discuss the issues generated by the news articles not to rag on others for their beliefs. I understand I have been just as guilty of that as anyone else, but you crossed the line and threw down the gauntlet. Now you try to blame it on me and you twist my words and make up your own in an attempt to make me look bad. You have called me a racist, you have called me many different things and you intentionally lied about what I said. I really don't care what you say any more. I'm done. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 this is the shape of things to come 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 well without further explanation it definitely doesn't look very good. I may be dead set against the Arab horde invading Israel, but I don't want us behaving like that either. I want truth and justice, not tit for tat. I want more information about this... and not from you Ari H. You don't tell the truth 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No ari again you lie. Out of the thousands of rocket attacks in the last 8 or 10 yrs... Israel has only responded a few times... You better thank your Arab stars that its not me in charge. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh yes I need to say this very clearly ARI H... I have NEVER spoken with you. You are a liar. You did a fairly incomplete search on my name and that is how you came up with the limited info you have twisted in to your diatribe. You pretend to know me, but if you did you would know better then to do what you are trying to do to me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you are doing your best to twist the truth to fit your agenda. You don't know anything about me and I never spoke to you. By the way I am the director of the ministry not a worker. Everyone there is a volunteer and since it was founded by a southern Baptist named Rip Parker it is basically a Christian ministry. I was given the helm about 6 years ago and my friends still try to convert me. I did go through a messianic phase, but not being raised in an observant family where my father's family was catholic and my mother was the daughter of a christian father and a Sephardic mother, I had to discover my true direction for myself. I do NOT have to validate myself or my beliefs to you. You need to crawl back in to your Islamic cave. I have never identified myself as an evangelical Christian and if that reporter did I will make sure there is a retraction. That may be why you are using that particular report instead of the many many others. I have been interviewed by many from USA Today, to Fox news radio. I am pretty sure I remember them a lot better then you. None of this offers any explanation as to why you constantly deride the Jews, Israel, or me. That doesn't explain why you work so hard to dissuade people from the truth concerning the Nazis, Arab terrorists, or Iranian ambitions. You are simply not on our side. You are a liar and an instigator. I am tired of dealing with you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H, again you try to make yourself look clean by casting dirt on others. You are despicable. While I am the director of a Christian based homeless outreach it is open for all even me. I am not an evangelical Christian, but if I were that still wouldn't make you any better. You are still an Arab infiltrator trying to make your immoral and evil brethren look like angels. I deal with people like you on a daily basis but most of them are homeless. They lie, connive and twist any truth they can to make what they do and say look innocent, but all your works are exposed.. as are mine. You have no honest leg to stand on Ari H. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 History proves me right Ari H.... you are just some arab white washer trying to make these evil murderous dogs look like angels. It does no good to placate these people as, again, history has proven. You cannot reason or negotiate with this kind of hateful person. Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. This is one lesson I am very determined not to repeat. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Paul Winter I am of the opinion that Ari H is an Arab infiltrator trying to twist things in to disarray, but I could be wrong. He keeps trying to make false claims and insinuations with absolutely no factual basis. Anyway... words are cheap and clearly since the United States via Hillary Clinton has strenuously advocated retreat of Israelis so that Palestinians and other terrorists can mover right on in, I hardly think that Mr. Mitchell is doing anything but pandering. Right now Mr. Obama is trying to contain the damage from Ms. Clinton's harsh verbal attack on Israel and all her glowing support for these vicious murderous PLO members and Hamas members. A large part of Mr. Obama's machine is Jewish and has made it clear the current turn of events is unacceptable. While Mr. Obama can and will do what he wants, his support is rapidly declining because he has yet to uphold any of his promises except to certain minorities. I am not making a claim of bias. I am only letting it be known that I and quite a few others (supporters all) have taken notice. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David Sternlight you can call yourself what you want but its what you do and how you act that defines you. The old USSR was neither communist or socialist.. it was a totalitarian state by definition... no matter what they called themselves. When Karl Marx stole the manifesto from Fredriech Engles in the early 1900's he twisted a political philosophy into a warped vision based on hatred of G-d. Of course it was despotic and cruel. One thing it was not was socialistic. The United States is a democracy kind of... that employs socialistic methods to manage the huge amount of populations and the issues such populations generate. The ultra right wing in the United States for the last 8 yrs employed a more fasist approach to dealing with the people and as a result the middle class was destroyed, millions upon millions became homeless, the evil dictator and his second in command started illegal wars that to date have killed tens of thousands all in the name of illicit oil profits and sided with the Saudis time after time against Israel. This government completely broke the United States and put us in to unsurmountable debt to nations that want us destroyed. But they are the ones... the ones who have stolen everything the average American has worked so hard for... who claim that socialism is the most horrible form of government even though the examples of true socialism in Western Europe brag of an employed population, a very high standard of living for everyone, and a population that is happy, at peace, and healthy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 this guy is a page right out of Adolf Hiter's diary. I am now adding the Ukraine to my list. I aint santy claus but I'm making a list and I'm checking it twice. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari, I forgot to mention the systematic extermination of the American Indian by the western europeans in what is now the United States... that may be the largest example of genocide the world has ever seen. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The most barbaric example act of genocide the world has ever seen was the death camps in Europe during the second world war. Pol Pot's may have actually been close.... then there was the Inquisition where millions of Jews were murdered and before that it was the Christian invasion of Jerusalem which killed Islamic and Jew alike. Back then Ari the Jew and the Arab got along... the extermination of Iran would not be genocide as much as it would be preventive medicine. Of course your Islamic slant on truth keeps getting in the way of honesty with you doesn't it Ari? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 dont look now Ari but your Islamic legs are showing 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland at the loss of the small business man which, by the way, is crucial to any economy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Of course Ari H would deny such exists. We have smuggled video tapes of jihad classes and suicide bomber classes being given to entire schools of young children in Gaza. The rhetoric of hate is very popular in Gaza and the West Bank and trying to smooth it away like it doesn't exist is the work of a collaborator, not anyone interested in an honest solution. Until the hate is no longer being indoctrinated in the Arab youth and false history being forced down the throats of Islamic children there will be no solution other then war. Trying to placate this evil or wish it away will not work and it never has. All the efforts of the well intentioned fools only aid the enemies of Judaism and adds to the list of Jewish dead. If there were a way for peace where the integrity of Israel and the Jewish people were guaranteed I would be enthusiastically for it Ari, but we both know that is only a pipe dream. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is not a nice gesture and gives up to much autonomy. Israel is a plus in anyone's basket. It's even better as its own nation. The currency issue, the travel issue, the intrusion in to Israel's affairs would be insurmountable 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H what do you mean we? Almost all your posts are very pro Arab and anti Jew, unless you think giving up our identity, homeland, and freedom is pro Jew. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Nazis are Nazis just like Arabs are Arabs... those two groups have a lot in common. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is a very good thing to be able to keep socially active via any means, especially with genuine peers. The world is so diluted that everything appears bland. Keeping in touch with the Jewish social world is a great way to prevent that from happening. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am not for invasion of Iran at all. I'm for completely obliterating it with about three months of carpet bombing.... wave after wave after wave of US bombers dumping hundreds of thousands of buster bombs until there is nothing left of Iran except dust. Why would I say this Ari??? Because Iran is a rogue state with delusions of grandeur openly bragging they will bring about the end of the world and they want to acquire nuclear weapons so that they can use them against the United States and Israel. And once the dust has settled we should sweep it up and dump it in the dead sea. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lol if anyone here is deluded Ari I am sure you had a hand in it. NO ONE who advocates much less demands giving Israeli land to the Arab is a friend of Israel. No one who has spent their career whittling away at the Pro-Israeli caucus in the US Congress is a friend of Israel. No one who would turn their back on the murder of Israeli children in the face of the Palestinian terror campaign is a friend to Israel. Hillary Clinton is NO friend to Israel or the Jewish people as a whole... she sees them as she sees all people... merely a means to an end... a very self centered end. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think it would be money well spent to help subsidize the foundering businesses suffering because of this infrastructure project. It is morally wrong to force honest shopkeepers in to bankruptcy and poverty because of a public works project. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari... there will be no progress towards peace as long as there is an Arab with hate in his heart. It isn't depending on the state of Israel and you know it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Goodness! This guy even offends me! ... and they call me a bigot. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I would hope that dignity is extended to all parties involved, but there is no sovereignty for a people who never had a nation of their own except by decree of two british dignitaries out for their own end. The Jewish claim to Israel is long standing, legitimate, and recognized by the world for centuries. Wars were fought, empires were destroyed, and historical records readily show the state of Israel, but Palestine ? Palestine was a early common era nation formed by the greek invaders of Israel. If the Arabs weren't so dead set at exterminating all of us Jews I would not have any problems with sharing, but the Arabs do not want to share. They want to take over, annihilate and consume. Where is the dignity in that? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 ask how many Jews were seized by the Catholics during the second world war in Europe and sent to a horrible death at the concentration camps. Are they going to give them back? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 lol just messing with ya Ari 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 the world, as foretold, is building up again for a showdown between the two major players... Guess what.... we win. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Honestly though I do not advocate any use of nuclear munitions. This world spins around in a bubble of air and before long the entire world deals with the fallout of even one nuclear explosion. That is why the Nuclear nations put a ban on testing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 you want Syria to be transparent? turn it in to a glow in the dark parking lot 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The majority of the people in the USA are strong supporters of Israel... its just that our so called leaders are more interested in cushy deals with oil rich saudis rather then stand up for what is right. Their talk is only talk. It is their actions that count... the same applies to you Ari H. Bush did more to update and modernize the Arab armies then anyone ever. While he was talking nice he was acting badly. Clinton talks out of both sides of her mouth and as was apparent whenever she was charged with coming up with a health care plan when her husband was president... can be bought off cheap. Neither of those two are truly friends of anyone but themselves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Myron, lol yeah thats funny.... maybe he's looking for a vacation home? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 douglas who the bleep are you?... Some fascist plant from the Reagan era? Carter was a friend of Israel until he turned senile. Now he's a humanistic fool. As far as Obama goes we have to wait and see... you are trying to use falsehood and emotion to sway an issue. You are not behaving well. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 vbb I don't know if I agree with you or not. I am not really all that for the reform movement, but I am not really all that for the other extreme either. I am comfortable with the conservative movement actually and I am right at home with most orthodox as well. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I would say both... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thats like saying GW Bush was pro Israel when he gave hundreds of billions of dollars to the Saudis for redistribution to the west bank and gaza in the forms of arms, manpower, and training. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again Ari H you twist historical fact. Hillary Clinton has advocated the Arab acquistion of "Palestine" which really didn't exist past the roman occupation two thousand years ago and it was mostly a Jewish state then as well, She constantly pushes for reduction in Jewish land and insertion of violent murderous Palestinians in to the core of Israel itself. She advocates giving Hamas billions of US dollars without any adequate means of control and she openly sides with the Arab in Israeli/Arab negotiations. How is that in any way considered the most Israeli friendly politician? well... except in the eyes of some Arab spin doctor... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ha-Shem began passover and if you call the death of every first born son other then the Hebrew spring cleaning then I guess... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I agree that the color of her skin or where she comes from doesn't amount to a hill of beans once she is accepted as Jewish. I do find problems with trying to squeeze racial prejudice simply because her ethnic background was mentioned. No one said she was less then anyone else because of that fact. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Frank Smith it is not considered murder because according to Jewish tradition life begins at first breath, but any woman who willingly kills her unborn simply to avoid alteration of her convenient life violates the respect of chaim we must all hold dear. It is not that the abortion under certain circumstances isn't allowed.... see below. Jewish law not only permits, but in some circumstances requires abortion. Where the mother's life is in jeopardy because of the unborn child, abortion is mandatory. An unborn child has the status of "potential human life" until the majority of the body has emerged from the mother. Potential human life is valuable, and may not be terminated casually, but it does not have as much value as a life in existence. The Talmud makes no bones about this: it says quite bluntly that if the fetus threatens the life of the mother, you cut it up within her body and remove it limb by limb if necessary, because its life is not as valuable as hers. But once the greater part of the body has emerged, you cannot take its life to save the mother's, because you cannot choose between one human life and another. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you tried to turn this discussion in to a emotional exclamation of persecution at the hands of the double standard Jews. case in point "Never mind though. They’re Jewish, and so can attack the state authorities as much as they like. I seem to remember yesterday somebody claiming that any protestor with any act of violence could reasonably be shot dead by police or soldiers...but then that was an Arab peaceful protestor, rather than these Jewish violent protestors. " Ari H you have an agenda and you use your twisting of words of what others say to push that agenda. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H we don't agree at all. You are a Moslem trying to incite people here on this Jewish News forum and I am a Jew who doesn't fall for your lying tongue or your feigned sense of righteousness. You are nothing more then an empty vessel echoing the rhetoric of hate. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thank You Carole... I need to go back to basics and start reading from the beginning again. I should not make such obvious mistakes. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dr. Tiller's murder was an attack on Dr. Tiller, a man who performed late term abortions. It was not an attack on America. That is terribly misleading and intentionally inciteful. Shame on you. Murder is wrong. Whether it be a man with a gun or a conspiracy between an immoral doctor and a woman who kills her own children. Abortions are a horrible crime against humanity but one where there is no effective punishment except the psychological damage the woman faces for the rest of her life. The act of an abortion is between the woman and the man involved in seeding the womb, with ultimate control being with the woman. I personally am completely against it, but it is not my right to enforce my belief on someone else. The trend of fascists hiding behind Christianity to engage in their vicious ways of hate is very alarming and needs to be effectively addressed, but trying to attach undue emphasis on the act of an insane man is wholly wrong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Instead of protesting the land of the Jews being occupied by Jews why don't these people move to other parts of the world more sympathetic to their point of view? Israel is for the Jew and after the 2nd world war the world realized and agreed that it would be best to give Israel back to the Jewish people. Since that time ignorant backward people have been listening to and believing complete falsehoods as excuses to eat away at the Jewish homeland for the sake of the vicious rabble outside the gates. It is pathetic 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Although it may come across I don't want to hear anything different from what I've been taught to believe, I welcome any factual corrections or educational material to widen my horizons. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Who says Ruth was a convert? I thought she, a good Jewish woman, was the widow of a good observant Jewish man and married another, much older Jewish man, so that her children wouldn't lose their inheritance of land. If I am not mistaken, while women are highly honored in the Torah there is a direct prohibition to them carrying out the ritualistic acts restricted to Rabbinical Role. I don't know why and honestly if it weren't for that prohibition it wouldn't bother me at all to have a woman Rabbi, but considering there is... it seems to me counter productive to install women as Rabbis. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hmmm .... it should not be against the law to hold beliefs...even disgusting ones like neo-nazism... It should be against the law to enact violence against anyone for any reason except in the direct defense of one's life, family, liberty, or property. I would think that the public presence of this hateful group would make it much easier to watch... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Of course it is... their election mantra is : vote for us or we'll rape your daughters, burn your house down, and beat your children to death in front of you before we shoot you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Lying again aren't you Ari... In the context of Jewish History the Haredim are a johnny come lately ultra "rightwing" cult. They try to claim they are the true orthodoxy but in reality they are merely a group of hard core extremists bent on oppressing their will on everyone they can. I can actually understand their fear over the white washing of solid Judaic beliefs in to the weak kneed examples I see all around, but they seem to forget that Ha-Shem gives everyone free will... even Arabs. To make an analogy... if you don't like the tv program change the channel. Don't burn down the television station. Extremism from any facet is still extremism. Bluntly stated, true Judaism is not oppressive or restrictive. It is a wonderful lifestyle full of family, friends and the richness that a full life brings. Being like a donkey chasing that carrot on the end of the stick doesn't get you anywhere but worn out and hopeless. That being said, the truth is we choose our own paths even if we don't believe that we do... There was a song put out by an English rock band in the 1970s and one of the lines was this... Yes there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run there is still time to change the road you're on... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Leland rationaise is what my Jewish brethren who don't observe put on their just desserts. Ari H... again you try to incite people through obfuscation. This person, Jew or not, committed murder and was already apprehended by the police. It was after his apprehension and complete submission that he was beaten to death by an unruly crowd of Arabs.... is there any other kind? It isn't that he killed Arabs, Ari... It's that the Arabs don't believe in civilized behavior. They murder, lie, steal, sneak and rob, etc, etc. Quite frankly I am tired of hearing your lame defense for the generally atrocious violence of the Arab. There are atrocities committed to them and I do not deny or defend that, Ari. Yet from the beginning of the Arab people they have been a bullyish, violent race of angry men and women not concerned with legitimacy... only their selfish wants. This will continue until Ha-Shem decides finally to put an end to them. Please remember this Ari... an individual will be as he or she wants to be with opinions and values of their own, but a group...a mob if you will, will behave according to their mob mentality. There are countless examples of very intelligent, sophisticated, and humanitarian Arabs throughout the centuries, but as a whole they are a violent abusive, and nasty usurper of that which other people build. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart, as one who counts the incidents reported against Jews in the news media I have to agree with Leland and I have to state that from my research the hateful rhetoric and acts against Jews and Temples is definitely on the rise. The ADL data seems to miss a lot. You, Stuart, are constantly brandishing the weak argument of appeasement towards our enemies and the bad press yet you do not show why. You have stood up for things directly opposed in Torah and continue to use personal attack and insinuation as a tool to discredit your detractors. What is your agenda ? Do you know how many Temples, Jewish activity centers, and individual Jews, have been attacked worldwide? Do you know how much anti-Semitic language has been spray painted on trucks or overpasses or walls of people's houses? Do you know how many world governments gathered to hear the Iranian puppet leader try to incite the world against Judaism and Israel? Have you noticed the huge amount of pressure being applied to Israel to give up more of it's territory so that the Palestinian terrorist can become more entrenched and better equipped to carry out it's campaign of death and destruction against Judaism? Or is it just not politically correct in that fantasy world you live in? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Clinton should not be in a position of government and those who appoint her show a serious lack in good judgement. During the Bush years we called it appointing the fox to guard the hen house. Mrs. Clinton's well known bias against the state of Israel is a pall of dishonor on the Obama administration 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 another example of the President for change doing business as usual 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H let me get this straight.... when rockets land in peaceful neighborhoods killing innocent people and rampaging Palestinians murder Jewish children playing in their yards it is considered the legitimate struggle of an oppressed people. When Israel strikes back at the vicious terrorists it's called oppression by an occupying force. You arabs really are a twisted lot. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 So the pope just goose steps right on in and starts telling the Jewish people what they should do... sorry if I don't find his words comforting. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think it is funny that people call me right wing.... first off I assume they really don't even know what that means. At the US Capitol building in the senate the room is separated by an isle those who sit on the right side are usually republican and those who sit on the left side are usually democrats. The democratic party, by the way, is much older then the republican party that calls itself the grand old party... but liars are liars... I am not a republican by any stretch of the imagination. I am very conservative in the sense that we should not waste what we have or squander it by living like kings... a major tendency of the republican party... but I also believe that people should be free to live their own lives and that one of the duties of government is to see after the welfare of it's people and that is totally a democratic point of view. I am very very hard core when it comes to defending and protecting my family and my perpetuity. That is why I speak so boldly against those who would murder my people in their beds if those cowardly people could. So.... Ari H don't speak to me with your decidedly lying tongue or your deceptively passive argument. You are nothing more then someone trying to make the murderous moslem look like a decent human being. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again Ari you base your comments on falsehood. There will never be peace as long as there is Islam. Islam wars with itself much more then it wars on Israel. Islam wars with everything and everyone. Islam tries to shove lies and re-written history down everyone's throats and what is worse.... Islam calls G-d a liar. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H your claim that Islamics wiorship Ha-shem is a lie.. plain and simple it is an outright lie. You people teach lie and deception as truth trying to pervert belief in G-d claiming these lies you perpetrate come from Ha-Shem... the only people you fool are yourselves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This article was about UN investigations into Israeli war crimes Paul Winter... and I am sure with the animosities running as high as they do between Israel and Palestinian terrorist groups, there probably were some incidents of criminal activity by some soldiers in isolated incidents. What I am saying is the UN is an untrustworthy collection of very vicious rogue states bent on using the might of the pen to get stronger nations to carry out wicked policies. There hasn't been an honest UN investigation since the search for weapons of mass destruction. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think I'm beginning to understand you Ari... you must be one of those closet moslems I've been hearing about. There are over 21 Arabic States and several more non Arabic Islamic states, but all you people want to do is destroy Israel. I really am tired of hearing your lying tongue. I am really tired of hearing appeasement from the children of death camp survivors, and it disgusts me to think that some of my own people would lay down all that which those who came before them fought so hard to preserve. Hindy if you have no trust or faith in Ha-Shem that is your fault not mine. If you don't stand to be counted with believers Ha-Shem will not stand with you. The writing is on the wall... are you really too blind to see? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thank you Leland... I appreciate that. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Evena I don't but I guess you mean you are a racist agitator... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari H you make a lot of assumptions, most of which are completely wrong. That says a lot about your powers of deduction don't you think? I am dead set against those that would kill my brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, Aunts and Uncles ... and their friends and neighbors. I really hate the thought of war, having been involved in the Viet Nam debacle of the 1960s and early 1970s. I have learned from an early age, Ari, that sometimes there is no other course of action but a complete war against a faction proven to be the enemy. I am saddened every time life is taken, especially an unarmed protester who should not have been harmed. Ari I am a Jew, not some fanatical right wing evangelical christian. I have seen the death camps in Europe, and faced Palestinians who only wanted me and every Jew they could find dead. I have also had Palestinians go out of their way to help me although they no longer would talk to me once they discovered I was Jewish. I have faced bigotry from fellow Jews because my father was a gentile, and I have faced it from my father's own family because my mother was Sephardic. I have seen death and destruction at the hands of our enemies purely because they were taught to hate from childhood by immoral liars who's purpose was to fill the world with blind hateful killers so they like the cowards they are, could hide and watch in safety.... that is how I see most Islamic people Ari. I really don't need you or the few others in this forum who twist my words and make accusations because, like you, they are quick to judge, slow to reason, and happy to find someone to attack. Of course, you are welcome to express your thoughts...even your personal attacks, thanks to people like me, many of whom gave their lives so you could. Will I wage a relentless merciless war against the enemies of Judaism? Yes, Ari I will with all the might I can muster, but I don't relish killing at all. I do not want to Ari, but being an intelligent logical human being I don't see any other choice... maybe not today or tomorrow, but one day it will come to pass. I suggest you don't get in the way. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Always a bridesmaid but never a bride... Let's try for a Jewish President! Someone who will protect the interests of the American people instead of the illegal immigrant and racially motivated minority. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I strongly oppose any ending of Israel's expansion in to its own territory as laid out by Ha-Shem centuries ago. If it really aggravates the Arabs Persians and other Islamic terrorists then let them take it up with G-d. Oh wait... they wouldn't know G-d if He sat down next to them on the bus. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Screw the UN... that pro arab coalition run by some of the world's nastiest nations living off the good will of the United States. The UN has long lost its usefulness in honest negotiations and is merely a front for wicked regimes bent on destroying the United States, Israel, and other western nations 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Personally I very much dislike the fact that hostile Arab factions are taking up space inside of Israel and I feel everything and anything we do to end this is almost justified. I do agree that murder of an unarmed non-violent protester is shameful and inexcusable... whether Jew or Arab, or Persian. There is much to be done to straighten this mess out, but a two state solution is not one of them. May Ha-Shem obliterate the enemies of Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Thing about educators is they are always trying to educate. Politicians are always trying to lie and contrive for their own interests. While educators may do things people think are not politically correct we must remember they are trying to educate. I would hardly call a good teacher a traitor. Now if you have political propagandists masquerading as teachers trying to indoctrinate the youth in to accepting political philosophies as genuine truth, you may have a problem. Either that or your kids are in the Texas public schools... When it comes to the protection of the state of Israel, the best course of action is following Ha-Shem's direction for us. That includes all the other ethical, moral, and educational guidelines all in to one philosophy. It also guarantees Ha-Shem walks before us and as such none can stand against us. While that may seem too far fetched in today's modern world, its just because we are so far removed from it. Education, truth, and the ways of Ha-Shem are one. If these educators are trying to show the Palestinian point of view I don't know if that is a bad thing or a good thing. If this is another way to bolster the Arab attack against Judaism then nip it in the bud, but calling teachers traitors for teaching is something I would expect out of Hitler, or GW Bush, or Stalin. In the New testement of the Christian bible, Yeshua, an observant Jew, exclaimed "truth will set you free". I still say remove the Arab from within the land of Israel because they defile it by their presence. You do not call out to strange gods from the land of Israel. Ha-Shem and ONLY Ha-Shem is G-d of the Jewish people. That is over simplified, but pretty much the way I see it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 A person who calls himself a religious person yet kills his fellow man is just a liar,,,, or a muslim... wait same thing, sorry. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 thats wicked not wicket... my spellcheck went nutz 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leigh Anne, I went to your suggested site and it attempted to hijack my browser and install a worm (trojan horse) on my computer. Considering that and your obvious affiliation with the Hard Core right wing extremist faction in the United States I have turned over the data I collected to our enforcement arm. I have to tell you very clearly and I do hope you listen... I hate the Nazi movement in the United States and it rears its ugly head most often in the Republican Party of which you clearly side with. Barney Frank is an immoral reprobate of a human being... that is true, and he has made many mistakes concerning our financial health and honestly he should not be in such a position of authority but he was and constantly seems to be kept... elected by his constituents in free open elections. After all aren't those free elections really what you fascist b-holes really are truly up in arms against? How can you oppressive abusers get and stay in power if elections are honest and free? I would rather have the incompetence of liberal idiots then the calculated usurpers of the wicket vicious republican party. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leigh Anne, 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I do agree with him here however... I don't want to confuse anyone. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My point of view is toss out all the Arabs from the gates of Israel and give them an education in reality 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I don't always succeed... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Kaufman you have the right to your opinion as does everyone else in here. I would like to remind you to respect legitimate Rabbis and not denounce them especially in public. It shows very bad form. That would be my suggestion. I too disagree with many at different times, but I try to always respect my family, my fellow Jews, and especially my Rabbis as Ha-Shem has instructed. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Obama is clearly playing for the crowd. I guess he doesn't realize once you are elected you do the job instead of sell it. I have already run out of patience with him and unless he does something to regain my trust I will no longer support him. Israel, being the most important reason, is not the only reason. I don't like being made a fool of. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Attacking Rabbis is a very dangerous turn of events and Shmuel I defend Rabbi Friedman's personal point of view. I am really not voting for the complete annihilation of any group at this time, but I can surely understand the feeling and the possible necessity. That is Ha-Shem's call not ours. We are supposed to follow G-d's will and treasure all life. I am a bit upset over the attacks against Rabbi Silverstein. While I may not hold his viewpoints, he is a Rabbi in the conventional sense and worthy of the respect Ha-Shem demands. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If there are moderate Arabs who want peace between themselves and Israel I hope they make themselves known soon. Like lion's blood on the doorposts... how else will we know? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Life is precious and a gift of Ha-Shem, but Ha-Shem can do with it as Ha-Shem sees fit. All I can do is my best to do the right thing by my fellow man and G-d. I pray Ha-Shem will change the hearts of the millions of human beings bent on destroying Judaism and the Jewish people... before the destruction of them becomes a necessity. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Frank is not as "frank" as you may believe. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stop objecting to Israel's right to its own land and we will have no more arguments with you Mr. Obama. I am not interested in providing any safe haven for the Islamic terrorists, or the murderous Palestinians, especially at the expense of my Jewish brethren so if that is what you offer go dance your kabuki dance somewhere else. I am no longer listening. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 vbb islamic fascist is a term invented by the bush/cheney tyranny. The islamists aren't fascist they are completely insane. They really believe they are right and worthy, making excuses for their lies, perversions, and violation of their own tenets in trafficking in horrible drugs. I guess you could call them ultra fascists like Hassidism is known as Ultra- Orthodoxy. The very sad truth is that ultimately you are correct vbb in that we will be pitted against a horrible foe and the only solution we will have is utter destruction of every man, woman, child, and animal of this wickedness. There will be no other choice and even the most radical member of our opposition will have to admit it. I am truly sorry this has to come to pass but as history has shown... it isn't the Jew that brought it about. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Anti-semitism definitely is on the rise as times get tougher and the hard core right wing elitist billionaires spend millions each year on propaganda blaming Judaism for the troubles. The action by the Canadian Parliament is a welcome development as is the support from the Gay community. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is really hard for me to over come the feelings I get when the horror of the holocaust is is revisited to me. I have walked the camps when i was in the military in the 1970s and it left an indelible mark on me. I can only imagine the horror of having to live and die that way. The current trend of those who hate Judaism is to deny these events ever took place and blame their situation on the Jews. This is why I have so little mercy for the Arab, the Persian, or the neo Nazi from the skinheaded moron to the high level republican. I pray for the day the enemies of Ha-Shem and Judaism are dead and forgotten. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Saudi Arabia is not our friend strategically or any other way. The Saudis are two faced dogs who know the value of deception. Their friendly overtures to the United States are for their benefit only and anyone who trusts them is a fool. If Obama trusts the Saudis then he, like GW Bush... is a fool. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I missed the s on the end of method.... sorry 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I feel pretty sure you're forgiven sir.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You can attack Rabbi Friedman all you want to and pretend the method of warfare as described in Torah and other historical documents aren't effective, but the truth is they are. Yes they are barbaric. Yes they are drastic, but that is exactly what the Arabs want to do to us...each and every one of us. I am tired... way past tired of the holocaust syndrome where Jews just lined up to get stuffed in to the cattle cars on their way to a horrible death. There are nations out there that want to exterminate the Jewish people and Judaism all together. We seem to be eager to destroy ourselves as well. All I am saying is stop being hypocrites. The Arabs murder our children, and spread terrorism all over the world claiming if there weren't any Jews this wouldn't happen, but the truth is as long as there are Arabs or Persians this will keep happening. Its what they teach their children to do. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am completely against murder of any kind, but I find it hard to find mercy for women who kill their own children in the womb. I do realize G-d's forgiveness is granted anyone who truly seeks it so I will try hard not to cement any condemnations in my mind, but a Dr who willingly performs late term abortions for money instead of dire health concerns isn't much of a humanitarian. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I guess if yer gonna run short of money its best not to short change the murderous bastards you employ to murder innocent men, women, and children.... They may turn their murderous rage towards you... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I applaud the young lady and her four children as well as any other family raising Jewish children to the glory of Ha-Shem. I am not really surprised at all the horrid comments from despicable individuals wanting to find some cause to support for lack of their own moral backbone. I don't give a tinker's dam about any bunch of Jew hating politicians trying to abrogate the agreement between the Jew and Ha-Shem, especially concerning the land of Israel. May the wrath of G-d burn eternally against those who would end the happy existence of my brothers and sisters whom Ha-Shem has blessed. Ha-Shem is with us and no one can stand against us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This greedy immoral man brings nothing but shame to the Jewish people 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Another reason to support the OU and another reason for Jewish Americans to rethink their support of this president who seems to fail to uphold every promise he made. While he is out spending hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars giving his wife a night on the town, the people he depends on are losing their jobs and going hungry. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well its time the American Jewish groups did speak up and tell Mr. Obama where he can stick his authoritative pro Palestinian crap. If he wants to be a friend to Israel great, but that doesn't give him the right to dictate how Israel, a sovereign nation, should decide it's future or defend it's people. Mr. Obama is really close to losing a lot of the support he has garnered over the last few years because of his choices and his backpedaling. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is the result of hate indoctrination by Hamas, Hezbollah, and Fatah. This child has acted out of passion for his people not realizing that is the reason his people are in such misery. I pray for the fast and total obliteration of these hate groups. I pray that the truth will, at last, be taught the young Palestinian so that perhaps one day in the future we can live in peace.... but you can't change a man who's heart hates. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I wonder if it's going to get to the point where I have to go through a metal detector just to go to Temple. I do so dislike behaving like a cowardly puppy... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 hide and watch you evil b**** 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Even in the face of a horrible onslaught of vicious attacks by the Palestinian people by rocket and cowardly murders of our children we must remember judicial impartiality. Two wrongs do not make a right so... this man must face the consequences of his actions. He has helped to destroy the morality of our case as do all who engage in less then honorable acts against our enemies. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 May all who interfere with the peaceful continuance of Jewish life suffer the wrath of Ha-Shem now and forever. May those who murder us and slander us at every turn burn from the sight of G-d. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I had to erase my initial comment because it would not do any good. You people who support the Arab are worthless anyway. You are merely pawns of an evil soon to be eradicated and you along with it. Your pope is nothing but a Nazi. He swore allegiance to Hitler as a boy and is part of an organization that generation after generation has sponsored and been part of the murder of hundreds of millions of innocent people, both Jews and non-Jews, over the last 2000 years. The Catholic church was part of Hitler's campaign against G-d and the Jew, as have been the Arabs for centuries. We are still here you jerks! I am quite disgusted that this wicked deceitful person was allowed into Israel and reminds me of the act by the King of Israel that brought about the Babylonian invasion and consequential exile. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Horatius whatever.... sure, go ahead and give credence to the historical account written about a hundred years after the fact instead of the account written at the time it happened... Take the word of the bloodiest religion ever in the history of mankind known for twisting the truth to fit the political aspirations of its leaders bent on world domination. It's funny... the two religions that base their beginnings on Judaism are known for the barbaric murder of tens of millions of innocent people simply for disagreeing with them, and both are determined to take over the world.... Adolf Hitler, a Christian, had 6 millions Jews murdered for the crime of putting Jesus to death. Mel Gibson, a popular Nazi catholic actor does the same thing. Many other ignorant and vile people do the same.... I guess you are just another one of them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I live in the area this took place and believe me I am a very staunch supporter of Israel and Jewish things in general, but let me point out the reason this has taken so long is that there is a tremendous amount of doubt whether the charges were actually supportable or true. There is a lot of concern these people would be convicted simply because Texas is a hard core republican state where truth is rarely used to determine guilt or innocence. I do not want any one who supports Hamas to escape period, but I do want those convicted to be guilty. There is a major mosque in the area and they are profoundly anti Jew so... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Das_Dutch or is that Der Duesche? The truth is managing the welfare of large populations of humanity is what socialism is. The popular definition supplied by the hard core right wing corporate fascist leadership or... republican if you like, tries every way it can to poison people against words because words make up ideas and ideas threaten the very existence of greedy oppressors who base their control on fear. This nation is far from socialist and Judge Sotomayor's philosophic point of view is hers to have by right. What is alarming is her openly biased attitude and lack of impartiality. Those are the two main ingredients in an honest judge. She makes no excuses for her failure to display them. Whether or not she believes in a socialistic application of constitutional law is not such a big issue. By virtue of our size in population we will either become more socialistic or more oppressive. If I had to choose between a police state or a social state guess which one I choose? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I have spent the day researching Judge Sotomayor and what I have discovered is this. She chooses to overthrow solid reasoning in favor of discriminating against white males. She openly admits she taints her judicial thought process with race and gender, but claims, as her excuse, that she can't help but let her upbringing color her decisions. I want to make clear that my intention is not to interfere with the process of appointing a Supreme Court Judge, but I would like to point out this woman is far from unbiased and impartial and she will decide in favor of minorities over rule of law in my opinion. That makes her unfit to be a Supreme Court Judge in my humble opinion, but again, my opinion doesn't matter here. What does matter is that President Obama has broken his promise to end the unconstitutional military tribunals, close the prison at Guantanamo, and by pursuing his two state give everything to the Arab policy I feel supporting him over these last few years was a mistake. He repeatedly makes intentional deviations from his stated promises and that makes him a liar. We just spent 8 yrs being ruled by a liar and a thief and it has nearly broken us. I have been a loyal and active supporter of the Obama change, but apparently I was duped. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think it's a testament to the fairness and dedication to freedom of speech that JTA allows this forum to be used as a pulpit for Christians to make whatever case they have on this Jewish forum. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jeffery Frankel, As another Jewish American I would like to staunchly advocate a one state solution for Israel and a return to the boundaries Ha-Shem set forward and all those who oppose such removed from opposition. As a Jewish American I am ashamed at your abandonment of your own people, not in a nationalistic sense but in the sense of a heritage you clearly do not appreciate. I am deeply saddened by your betrayal of your very blood. Yes Israel was wrong to close its settlements and to appease the Arab because as long as we as a people adhere to the ways of Ha-Shem our land and ways will prosper. It is the Arab who is the usurper of what does not belong to them Jeffery. Your lack of historical knowledge is only surpassed by your disrespect for your own heritage. Psuedo Americans John? Israel has a right to its existence and the opposition to this is firmly entrenched in the US Political process and else where around the world. Hillary Clinton has always been a vocal advocate of the Arab, but she is a moral reprobate. I would have preferred her to quietly fade away from political life and I was surprised she was elected to the Senate from the heavily Jewish populated state of New York. Her anti semitism is well known and I wonder what was going through the minds of voters when they put her in office. Using the false excuse of a displaced Palestinian people to abrogate the boundaries of the state Israel is nothing more then subterfuge. Jordan is the old Palestine in the first place. The Jewish people have only one place on earth they can call their own. It is constantly under attack from the Arabs and Persians, it is constantly being berated in political circles all over the world and it is constantly having to defend itself for existing. I call that a horrible state of affairs and one that will not end well for anyone. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Steve so how do you know the Hispanics? Are they the ones who mow your lawn and clean your house or are they the ones who throw flashlight batteries through your windows calling you racial slurs as they scream at you to leave "their" neighborhood? Are they the ones who poison your dog, or beat up your kids at the bus stop because they're not Hispanic? Or are they the ones who dress your children and drive them to day care? Are they the ones who serve you at burger king and Dennys or are they the ones who won't give you a job because you aren't one of them and don't speak Spanish? There are very valid reasons for my earlier statements Steve but me being a bigot is not one of them. I have never treated anyone any differently or refused my help to anyone based on race, creed, or color. I am part of an organization that feeds thousands of hungry homeless every single day... of every imaginable background. I have seen things you wouldn't begin to understand. Do you know what the Hispanic homeless do Steve? They gang together and roam the homeless enclaves at night with baseball bats and golf clubs attacking the defenseless, robbing them of their meager possessions, and beating many horribly because they just plain hate... That's bigotry Steve. You talk of bigotry but you don't have clue. I shouldn't let your ignorance upset me... but it does. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Weisbard, While some politicians are lawyers and some lawyers are politicians all lawyers trade truth and principle for money. They are a necessary evil in this world of corruption and criminality. I have no say in who does or doesn't get appointed to the US Supreme court. The president and Congress does. I voice my concerns over tangible evidence of racial prejudice on the part of this nominee, because I am a Jew.. considered a white male in the USA. I am one of those people this person's stated belief says is not as qualified to make decisions as she is because she is a Hispanic woman. What kind of legal trickery do you use to rationalize that? What kind of protections do we the people have after she is appointed for life to the highest court in the land? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is a supreme court nomination not a personal attack against people you feel are not giving you the position on the pedestal you think you deserve. This woman has made several claims of superiority over her peers based on her gender and race. This is not an impartial individual and all your rhetoric trying to obfuscate the truth is merely more noise to keep the truth from being heard. In the United States today the largest group of poverty stricken people are the whites... by a huge majority... and they always have been, but the government helps them last because of the crying of the very small percentages of minorities taking the lions share of help. No one regardless of race, creed, or national origin should be singled out and refused help granted others. The truth is when race is used to identify or stipulate assistance, justice, or placement in society, society is far from free. That is why I am worried about this judge Steve, no matter what dirty name you call me. Liberty and justice for all... not just the ethnic group of choice for the day. Walk a mile in my shoes before you start calling me names Steve. Armchair activists disgust me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The trend of passing poorly thought out and hastily contrived law because of emotional distress has hit the state of Israel. If you don't like the Arabs undermining Israel from within kick them out, don't destroy the justice system with unenforcible and illogical law. I am one who doesn't believe the Arab should be in Israel mostly because if their insane hatred for all things Jewish. The foxes in the hen house are talking badly to the chickens so instead of getting rid of the foxes you want to legislate them? Get rid of the foxes. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think such measures will undermine the fairness of the Israeli Justice System and lead to many more problems then it is supposed to cure. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is wrong to forcibly remove a Jew from the Jewish homeland. I think the direction Israel is headed is a mistake and not in the best interest of its people or its future. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My goodness... These Yemenites are suffering greatly at the hands of islam. The WZO should be more concerned with the safety of these people then the political perspective of where they land to escape the tortuous life they now lead. This smacks of plain territorialism and ignorant bias. If the WZO wants to bring them to Israel, let it pay for it. For that matter let them send me a ticket. I would love to see Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Palestinians spying for Israel? I have a difficult time believing that. Could it be there really are no absolutes and I am destined to be a confused person for eternity? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Have any of you American republican Jews noticed when the world shows the resurgence of Nazism in various countries it is always attributed to "right wing" fanaticism? Much like the Rush Limbaugh or Dick Cheney version of the Republican party, this movement hides under many different names and rationales, but it is still the same. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 To remain an honorable people before G-d we must accept the responsibility and punishments for our own behavior. Being dishonorable to anyone by any one of us is a disgrace to us all. I say this realizing I, myself, am far from perfect. I am glad to learn the Palestinian man got his money back with the required interest. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You may have a point Shirull.... let us hope that recognition of this will soften the stance they have against Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The UAE is a tightly controlled Arab enclave of the old style. The royal family runs rampant over the rights and basic humanitarian dignities of its people. These rulers have no respect for people, property, or decency other then their own points of view. I would not ever trust them with any kind of nuclear technology. To do so would be a horrible mistake. I would put them in the same category of Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iran, etc. They are not to be trusted. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am a bit concerned with this. She already has a rumored reputation of ignoring law in favor of decisions benefiting herself and her own people. That is a far cry from the impartiality required to be a Supreme Court Judge. The facts are, however, I do not have enough information to make an accurate informed decision and I don't want to wrongly describe her. Living in Texas I deal with the bigotry of the Hispanics on a daily basis and I have come to learn that it is mostly education, or the lack of it, that brings it out and as a result I have begun to recognize it in myself and my friends as well... the recognition of this only makes it more imperative we not put those predisposed towards their own ethnicity on the bench of the highest court in the land (USA). Partiality in judicial renderings is proof of a completely corrupt, undependable, and untrustworthy system of justice. This diatribe by Alan, in my opinion, uses a lot of words to say absolutely nothing. He must be a politician. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yaakov you hate everything but your little narrow mind, don't you? Why can't you find comfort in other people's joy? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is not the way to go. Iran must be stopped, but so must the Palestinians, Syrians, Libyians, etc etc etc. Robbing Peter to pay Paul is the wrong approach and as a long time leader of men, Netanyahu should know this. Are we now being governed by those who cannot govern themselves? Israel needs to be Israel as Ha-Shem has declared. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 He is right though... a two state solution will destroy Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And still people find it hard to understand why these Arabs need to be chased out ? Maybe we should resort to honor killings and exterminate the entire Arab population. Oh wait that's racism if we do it but its a fair defense if they do.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I think the situation of poverty and misery in Gaza is horrible. I wish they would just move to Palestine err... I mean Jordan, where they came from. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am not for appeasement, but most likely I won't be personally involved in any war there because I am too old and too poor to get there, living in the USA. We have a battle brewing here too though. I know there will be no peace for Israel as long as the Islamic extremist (pretty much every moslem alive) thrives. I was about 12 yrs old when I saw first hand that some people just hate. There is no logic for their behavior or the destruction they cause. They just hate. You can't rationalize or negotiate with such people. You either have to keep them afraid to attack you or you must kill them. They will not stop on their own. Hamas is an organization of pure hate. They will not stop until they are utterly destroyed...every last one of them. Believe me if there was another solution I would be glad to take it, but there isn't. All this international talking and negotiating just buys them more time to arm and restrengthen themselves. It is a fools path. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Mr. Ambassador... what we need is to remove every last breathing Arab off of Israeli land. But you can wish in one hand and crap in the other and see which one fills up first... if you think that will help. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Go ahead Stuart... tell me how this is just a peaceful action by a friendly country and there is nothing to fear. N. Korea, who sells all its weaponry and technology to countries like Libya and Iran because it is so cashed strapped even it's so-called glorious leader has to drink second rate champagne while he watches his people starve to death, won't provide medium range missiles to ...oh Hamas or Hesbollah or Syria tipped with small nuclear warheads.... Tell us all how we shouldn't worry and that everything will be ok if we just let the Arabs in to Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart you sound just like Mr Chamberlain on his return from Germany as he proclaimed "peace in our time!" Right before Hitler struck. Can you really be that naive? What will you say when it's your child laying dead in your arms? I get so angry and disgusted at this cowardly uninformed humanism you spread. Arrrrrgh! Here's an exercise Stuart... read the quran especially the part where it calls on all believers to kill all not loyal to allah. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Robyn you appear to me to just be naive and uneducated on these matters. Try to reason with the mad dog devouring your children in your back yard... see how far that gets you. Or would you rather just keep the dog out? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There should be NO two state solution. To do so is inviting more terror and destruction on Jewish children. Peter Wedlund there is no negotiating with Arabs. They lie, they murder, they obfuscate their real intentions. Appeasement will only weaken Israel and strengthen the enemy standing at our gates. Those who refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. It may seem that I am hardcore right wing etc but I'm not. I'm just not a fool. I have learned from my life lessons and I know there is a time for peace and a time for war. In truth there is no stopping the Islamic horde from trying to eradicate everyone, especially the Jews, who aren't Moslem. That is and has been their stated goal since the second world war. It will not end until there are no Islamists left to bury their dead. We have learned these lessons time and time again. I can understand the desire not to go to war, but the longer you put it off the stronger they get. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Steve you are absolutely wrong. Synagogues are being burned, Jews are being murdered, beaten, and abused, the world is holding sanctioned "we hate jews" meetings, and anti-semitic slander is being excused as not a big deal by most of the world including Canada and the United States. There is a huge movement to dissect Israel even further and hand it over to the illegitimate people screaming outside the gates "death to all Jews". This is a reality you will either realize now or later when it is too late for you. I have no holier then thou attitude. I simply state what I've been taught. If we fail to uphold the values set for us by Ha-Shem he will take us from our place until we return to Him. I claim no inside track to righteousness or perfection. I include myself in all our failings. This forum you attack, Steve, gives you the chance to share your views and you spend a lot of your time biting the hand that feeds you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Batya Devorah, Don't be fooled. This is exactly what the leadership in every mosque everywhere wants. Their sole purpose is to eradicate the world of everyone non-muslim. That has always been their stated goal. All the rhetoric and peaceful musings are merely lies and subterfuge. There will never be peace in the world as long as there are followers of Islam. Yaakov Tzarfati You are such a negative person and not a very good lawyer. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes Alan they are... but my Osem is the same as always 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 John James your lack of education is showing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This will speak louder and more clear to President Obama then any amount of poison rhetoric from some lying Arabic or Persian tongue. Here is where we see where he will stand. Let us hope Ms Clinton, advocate for the Arab, doesn't derail any progress these two documents achieve. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Central and South America is overwhelmingly pro communist and anti-semitic. This situation is only going to get worse. The writing is on the wall guys. Let's not have another racist roundup. It's time to start moving out of that part of the world. It is impossible to alter the path these ignorant petty despots controlling these nations are on. The best thing is to get out while you can. Please. Too many of us have been murdered already. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 seems like there's a lot that wasn't kosher about this kosher meat packer. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Howard perhaps you should read the article again. Lida rewrite that when you're sober please Iran will not stop and will use every means available to side track any serious attempts at stopping their goal until their goal is reached A two state solution for Israel is a condemnation of Israel and should not be agreed upon. The insistence by anyone for a two state solution should never be entertained and agreeing to it in the first place was a serious error on the part of Israel. As far as humanitarian goods... from a Hamas viewpoint those are rockets, rifles, and explosives. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Steve you are crossing the line. shut up. This is a warning and it may save someone from being dragged out of their bed in the dead of night or it may prevent one bombing on a bus. Crawl back under your rock. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This is an example of cultural indoctrination for generations of Arabic children. It begins at a time when the children are completely trusting and before long there is nothing you can do to show them the truth. You have only two choices, ignore them, or get rid of them. Steve I have to tell you that I disagree with many responses but, the truth is this discussion forum is a free speech kind of thing and I find JTA to be an organization based on fairness and honesty where differentiating views can be openly examined. Your closed mind is more of a detriment. Basically I'm saying that people are smart enough to have their own viewpoints and expression is one of the ways which we take a look at ourselves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yaakov Tzarfati, Maybe we should allow ourselves to continuously be used by the hard core "right wing" factions of the world such as the United States Republican Party who's agenda is world domination through economic slavery... even to the destruction of their own country. These people hate Judaism and basically all faiths that don't recognize them as the prophets and gold as G-d. I am amazed at the amount of Jewish backing this horrible hate group with genocidal dreams receives. Are you one of those flunkies? The two state solution is a ploy to stack the deck against Israel and when sufficient numbers have been achieved the Arabs intend to exterminate the Jews. It really is a lot like the US Republican philosophy except you don't find many Jews sucking up to the Arabs. This left wing/right wing lie is old and tired. It is up to Israel to defend Israel and Jews around the world to honor the promises we made to Ha-Shem. That is the only real issue. Does it really matter what a traitor betrays Yaakov? Israel, his fellow Jews, the Torah? A traitor is still a traitor. Of the 613 Mitzvot many deal with honesty in business, ethics in dealing with others, and fairness in Judicial proceedings. Until we as a people return to those values we are all being traitors to G-d and all your protests will fall on deaf ears. Yes without all your hateful rhetoric you are absolutely right, but you are looking at the wrong people as your enemy. It is you, it is all of us. Ha-Shem goes before us and none can stand against Him... when we honor Ha-Shem by observing our faith. It is impossible to separate the faith from the people. To be a Jew is to be Jewish. It is our burden to bare it is our task in this world. It is our fate, one which we willingly took upon ourselves, but I constantly hear excuses for not observing Shabbot, for justifying homosexuality in our midst, for cheating large amounts of widows, retired people, and charitable organizations out of every thing they have, and for turning our backs on those who genuinely reach out to us. It is easy for the wicked to cast a bad shadow on us. We don't let Ha-Shem's glory shine through us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 A two state solution is a mistake. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I do not wish to change the focus away from Jewish issues or Israel itself and this previous comment seems to do that, but I wonder just what is it that makes people argue over keeping community centers open during Shabbat and supporting the Gay community's attempt at railroading the common citizen into accepting them, while children are starving and people are living in utter poverty, while innocent people are falsely convicted and sent to prison daily and the justice system routinely ignores the deserving in favor of the rich and powerful. I, personally am disgusted with current events as a Jew, a US Citizen, and a human being. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 1. The United States as a government entity routinely forces its poor to suffer to a level far below that of every other industrialized nation 2. The United States government is constantly revamping its laws to justify the criminality of the extremely wealthy at the expense of the average taxpayer who earns less then 32,000 a year... the level the US Government has decreed as a minimal living wage. 3. The United States Government is the only Industrialized western nation that does NOT provide a free or low cost modern secondary education and health care to it's citizens opting instead for a corrupt and by far the most costly education and health system in the world which is NOT the best regardless of the hundreds of millions of dollars of false advertising by corporations and political leaders (using taxpayer dollars of course) 4. The United States routinely rejects and refuses legitimate medicaid care to indigents and children because of manufactured reasons and furthermore allows the rampant abuse of the poor by local city and county "tickets" who are specifically targeted because of their lack of ability to pay for proper defense. 5. The United States government is no longer run by the people for the people and is no longer of the people. It is a conglomeration of paid off flunkies and career criminals who struggle to keep the money machine paying off to the less then 1% of the population that unfairly reaps the benefits due to a rigged system. Most of you in here fail to produce even a shred of support for your claims nor address any of the serious issues facing the United States or the world at large. Mostly I see rants based on right wing propaganda and emotional bias. I see very warped views of Torah used as excuses for accepting the horrible abuse of entire classes of people not seen since before the magna carta. The United States needs to pull the splinter out of its own eye before it goes around the world looking for planks in everyone else's 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Milton ... while I have never experienced a Jewish facility ever refusing entry to anyone, I disagree with your statement that we -have- to let non Jews in to our Jewish activity centers. We surely do NOT. Out of kindness and grace we don't refuse people, but these facilities are to further the Jewish community, to keep it strong and it's identity clear. For example, kosher facilities need to remain kosher and that means restrictions. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 AL Sharpton is an opportunist out for himself. He takes advantage of the injustice that occurs to further his career. A christian, especially a preacher, is taught there is none good except G-d, as was taught by Y'shua, whom they believe is the son of G-d and thus G-d. I'm still not sure how that works but I am sure I've not yet met anyone without prejudice, frustration, and anger in the world we live in. If he speaks out about Jews it's because his audience is anti-semite. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Laurence, I think your statistics of 80% of American Jews turned off by orthodoxy a bit off. Perhaps 80% of the Reform Jews. Is that what you meant? I am a conservative Jew because I believe in the permanence of Ha-Shem's words and I realize that community evolves and steadfast rote acceptance of some rabbinical regulations are outdated. For example I don't live in a tent where I tend goats and sheep. I believe Ha-Shem's words are living words. I find no problems with observing Shabbat. I was raised to believe it is one of the most important observances in all of Judaism. I have lost jobs over insistence I do no work during Shabbat and I find it harder to find work because of the holidays I am not permitted to work on. Like it was stated earlier it is not that Shabbat is defined by the Jew rather the Jew is defined by Shabbat. This observance is crucial in maintaining a sense of community and a close relationship with G-d. I am not sure that JCC being open is a violation of Shabbat because it is a communal center for Judaism. I am not able, however, to make that decision. I just know to observe Shabbat. Today I find many definitions of Judaism to be far from what I was taught and it confuses me greatly. I don't always agree with the totalitarianism of orthodoxy and I rarely agree with what I've been made to believe is reformism, but I always believe Torah. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Avram Chill .... exactly! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Qanni Leyhn who are you to speak for G-d? Probably a moslem ... right? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Goldbarg you are slightly misinformed as to your Christian Revelations book readings. The Gentiles make up the entire outer court and they are so numerous as to be uncounted... those who accepted the robe of the messiah. Now. as a Jew I think this all the manipulation of power hungry people attempting to rule the fearful and uneducated, but a person's belief is their own and not for me to disrespect. It is for me to observe my faith and traditions, and try to treat everyone with respect. Ike, from what I've gathered from the discussions provided by JTA concerning gay rights etc apparently they do. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 What's even worse Mr Goldbarg is that Jews can't seem to remember the truth about the Republican party or Halakhah. While they are very willing to accuse and deride each other defending that which is indefensible, they apparently are incapable of understanding the philosophy of the Republican party. They easily forget the hundreds of billions of dollars given to the Arabs by the republican party in exchange for sweet business deals for specific leaders of the party for their own selfish gain at the direct expense of Jewish lives. The truth here is one reaps what one sows. I pray Ha-Shem will show me a better understanding and a clearer direction for my life to take through the Torah and my community. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rabbi Silverstein if you are referring to me I always leave my name and I am not some illiterate ignorant low life as I am apparently being portrayed. I stand firmly against the homosexual life style for many reasons, the most important is Ha-Shem's specific directive against it. I mean no disrespect to any Jew, or anyone... least of all a Rabbi and I feel my words have been twisted and added to in order to help the case for homosexual activity in this discussion. I am very disappointed at the watered down rationalization of very basic prohibitions and frankly it scares me. The very acts that brought destruction to an entire society are being embraced by Rabbis. As someone who has had to deal with this horrible perversion on a very large scale I feel somewhat more qualified to speak on its destructive force on family and society then someone trying to be all things to all people. In here I have been called a nazi, a bigot, and every thing but a human because I oppose the acceptance of homosexuality as a normal way of life. It is NOT. By definition it is a biological perversion. It is for these reasons I would rather not take part in any of these discussions in the future. This is not an informed or even handed forum. It is more a chalkboard to legitimize that which in no way can be legitimate. I have never advocated violence or repression to anyone's rights except for the Palestinians, Persians, and other Arabs who murder my brethren. I do not oppose the rights of gays, but marriage being a religious institution is not the right of someone who's very behavior and chosen lifestyle violates it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is my understanding Shabbat is one of the most important and fundamental observances Ha-Shem commanded us to observe. Since it is a family and community oriented observance I am unclear whether this JCC opening violates it or not. The temple is open on Shabbat. I do everything I can to keep Shabbat, but I know in some ways I probably fall short. I hope I will get better, but as a conservative Jew I still believe that Shabbat is basic for all Jews, orthodox, conservative, or reform. Perhaps I need to study more. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well... one guy was right.... they sure do come out of the woodwork. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Nonsense! the Roman soldiers crucified the man you call Jesus and they are the forerunners of the catholics. The catholics are a bastardized version of Jesus' teachings incorporating saints etc depicted in statues to replace the multi god/goddess system of rome. These roman soldiers were following direct orders from the roman governer of the occupation of Israel. This hateful church is another example of the cruelty and dishonest treachery of the so-called christian faith. Grrr this kind of crud really boils my blood. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 how can one rank one sin over another? I am very tired of the accusations and the twisting of my words to fit the agendas of the detractors. I am only commenting out of respect for you Stuart, and Leland. I really don't wish to be brought in to any more of these discussions. One point that was made I found valid. There is a difference between the acceptance of the US government and the acceptance of Judaism. I would like to point out that when gays got certain rules passed I was no longer allowed to keep them out of my Homeless Outreach and they do not...simply do not... have the same moral values and ethics necessary to carry out the mission statement. They were just as hard working and they were just as compassionate, but they were more concerned with their "gayness" then the purpose of bringing the wretched and the homeless to a relationship with G-d. I don't need to justify myself or my belief to you or anyone else and I simply refuse to let you water down my faith. Be as you want to be. This matter is sorrow for us all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I have already shamed myself in getting so upset over this matter. If your Rabbis in California endorse gay Rabbis so be it. I find it hard to believe, but whatever. I am just going to stop dealing with any of you to save myself the sin of Loshon Ha-Ra. I am going to do what I need to do to make myself as right as I possibly can be. That includes toleration of others. I have nothing left to say to y'all except may Ha-Shem show you the truth in a way you cannot ignore. May the same be for me as well. All this because you think sticking up for gays is the right thing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 All this discussion has left me weary and disgusted with the entire process. I know the old adage two Rabbis three opinions, but I never would have imagined direct disregard for explicit instruction concerning very simple matters. I guess that is why I find comfort in conservative Judaism. I believe Ha-Shem's word to be everlasting and I believe the rules to govern the community as dictated by Rabbinical decree to be flexible with the change in society as long as Ha-Shem's dictates are observed. As we grow and develop our society also develops, but Ha-Shem's word is everlasting. I have been discouraged by the totalitarianism of Orthodoxy, but not at all concerning my people or my G-d. Does that make any sense to you Leland? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland very few things in life are as black and white as this issue. Furthermore, while I am against abortion, I believe it is the right of the woman to do what she feels is best for her own body. After all, it is this woman that must face Ha-Shem with her choices. I would think a woman who has an abortion that doesn't first consult the father not much of a person. People do wrong and sometimes realize their error and make it right with G-d and those they wronged. They deserve their forgiveness as prescribed in Torah. That is proof that there is hope for all of us. By standing up for the demands of those who stand against G-d you stand with them. I do not encourage or in any way support the abuse of any human being or animal no matter what the situation. It is not a question of that. It is just that Ha-Shem made a distinction and we are to adhere to it, as believers. Some people separate the faith from the family where Judaism is concerned, but again Ha-Shem was very clear on that. That is the whole purpose of family and raising one's children to be Jewish. I am sorry Leland, if you have been discouraged in your life and such has lessened your zeal for Ha-Shem. My life has been full of tragedy and trauma but I have only been strengthened in my faith. I pray for the return to faith of all Judaism, and for all humanity as a whole. I am very adamant in my faith. I am solidly against the proliferation of homosexuality and I am also against the abuse of anyone including gays. I am not advocating less rights for gays but they don't have less rights. We all have the same rights guaranteed by the constitution of the United States (if you live here) but there is no guarantee that a protected faith has to change its ways to suit that which is steadfastly against that faith. This thing of accepting what you like and disregarding what you don't want to face is what is known as hypocrisy in the truest form of the word. Please don't think I believe myself a better person, a better Jew, or a more righteous person then anyone else... I don't, but I seriously sincerely try to be the best human being I can be. Against a host of odds. I see this invasion of gays in to every aspect of life a very bad thing. I base my decisions on my knowledge, my moral set of values, and my experiences. My experiences with homosexuals have not been very favorable I can tell you that much, but they haven't all been bad either. There are a couple of times out of dozens where they didn't try to force themselves on me or try to cause me trouble if I refused them.... only a couple. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I don't have objection to non religious civil unions if the general populace seems to think it ok or whatever. I oppose the incursion in to Judaism. I opposed the forced acceptance of the ways of what my faith describes as an evil in to my faith. I am not trying to deny anyone their right to pursue their own life, but I will not stand for bringing this wickedness in to my faith or around my children. You do what you like but, so help me, you had better respect my rights. I am not some puny little pushover too afraid to stand up for what is right. You and your cohorts have used non-relative argument to push this in to my faith and my temple. Gays should not be allowed IN the temple. I am not saying they should be abused, disrespected, or otherwise persecuted. Just stop trying to force your way in to what you have no business being involved in. You have gone so far as to compare me to Nazis and for that I am very angry with you. I would suggest you not come to me face to face. I think you and your compadres are an evil that needs to be eradicated, but that is up to G-d not me. I do not dare take on the responsibilities of Ha-Shem. If it were up to me I would not allow you in the temple. It is not. I have no wish to over reach my authority, but I have no sympathy for you. If gays want to live together that's their business not mine. If they want to use their insurance to help protect their live in whatevers, again, so what? I don't usually agree with the way insurance companies do things. I don't even care if they share retirement settlements or whatever but marriage? That is a religious institution and homosexuals are not accepted in any faith I know of. To pervert the religious entities (and some have been so perverted) is what I oppose and am angry about. Stay out of our places. We don't want to go to yours. That's all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am done responding to you Matt. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That must be the southern California reform Rabbis. Its not for me to cast judgement on you or anyone else Rocky, it is for me to stand up for what I believe in and I can respect you standing up for what you believe as well. All I am saying is that homosexuality has no place in the observance of Ha-Shem's ways for us. It is specifically forbidden. I don't care what you or anyone else says regarding this issue. I choose to stand with G-d. You do not, that is your choice. The sad thing is I am not bringing my ideological war to you, you are bringing yours to me and as I stand to defend my beliefs and Ha-shem's instructions to us, you falsely claim I am attacking you. Ha-Shem knows the truth and He knows you for what you are. He also knows me for what I am. I have a feeling neither of us are perfect. This war you are fighting to bring homosexuality to the masses is an evil that will be destroyed. You have no power in that whatsoever. It is having a positive effect though. It is bringing together people to rally against this perversion you claim is a social injustice. You constantly use unrelated examples to make your case. You must think heterosexuals are pretty stupid Rocky. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr. Goldbarg I shudder to think where you pulled those statements out of. I hope you washed your hands. Your historical claims of ritual prostitution etc is historically mentioned yes, and what did Ha-Shem do about it? These were priests not of Judaism. Do you know what an Ashram pole is? You should re-study your history. All of us could sit in front of our computers and banter back and forth voicing so-called pros and cons on this issue, but honestly I am tired of the tripe. In truth there is a stated prohibition for not only homosexual behavior but for allowing them in to your midst. You cannot rationalize that away and if you claim to have faith as a Jew or even a Christian or as a Moslem you must adhere to that. Sodomites are those that engaged in male on male sexual relations. Today we call them gays, homosexuals, perverts, whatever.... its the same old story and the resurgence of this particular perversion was foretold. Sodom was a town where such behavior was not only tolerated but celebrated and Ha-Shem burned it to the ground and there is no trace of it even today. If a gay was being falsely accused of a crime, being abused, or the victim of a criminal act I would stand up for him and his rights. That isn't the case here. Gays want people who do not accept their wicked way of life made criminals by legislation. They want to force their way into a religious ritual and turn it in to a meaningless obscene gesture. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 One more thing Matt. I have spent my life defending the rights of those unable to stand up for themselves and I seriously doubt you have the courage. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Matt you want to stand up for the disadvantaged and abused? How about children who are starving or are being sold in to bondage for the whim of the Arab sheiks? How about diseases that are easily and cheaply avoided but political game playing for wealth and power keeps focus off of that issue. No? You want to take up for the gays. Gays who really don't face any genuine hardship or oppression in any western nation. You want to stand up for people who's only desire is to force the world to cater to them because they are amoral, spoiled, ungrateful human beings with a severely limited sense of right and wrong. That and their love to abuse other human beings... I really do not care what phony argument you want to prop up to aid your case to obliterate the G-d given act of marriage and turn it into some obscene gesture of moral derelicts. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again Rocky you try to turn attention away from the issue and use the sympathy play to dissuade the reader. I speak the truth and you lie, confuse, and twist. There is the whole thing in a nutshell. In today's world my words are viewed as extreme by both the uninformed and the gays. The uninformed are merely taken in by the publicity ploys preaching love and joy, which if you've actually been involved in a large gay community you know is untrue. The gays have a personal agenda much like a termite. They want the epicurean delight of consuming everything they can without the responsibility of maintaining it. It wasn't too long ago that the common populace knew better then to trust what the gay liberation army said. Unfortunately today's youth will have to learn from experience and many will be lost. People will have to decide for themselves, but to use the government to enforce acceptance of that which is morally reprehensible is serious cause for action. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My goodness... I am by far a democratic moderate yet I sound like some far right wing war monger.... How the pendulum swings, eh? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In all honesty it is hypocritical for a state with huge arsenal of nuclear weapons to say its wrong for some to obtain them. All that rhetoric, while important for the prevention of war, only postpones what needs to happen. Rogue states like Iran and nomadic rogue states like the Taliban and Palestine are never going to become rational members of the world community unless we give in to their ways. There is no negotiation with them. They would, if they could, bully everyone in to accepting their self stated superiority. If you really want to keep these weapons out of the hands of these people and by all means we should, then you are going to have to realize only by the complete destruction of these "states" will that happen. So... either step up to the plate and put your money where your mouth is or just shut the (bleep) up and take your punishment like a good little coward. The rest of you mealy mouthed idiots who believe you can dream yourselves in to a better world aren't even worth the effort it takes to deal with you. I am a man of peace, but I can see there is no peace today. Only despots threatening the survival of good honest people, powerless at the hands of this treachery. We who have the strength need to stand up for these weaker nations who've demonstrated their goodness and peaceful intent. We need to simply and completely obliterate the rogue nations who would plunge the world in war and death. There is no other rational course. Still, I imagine there will continue to be room after room filled with blithering cowards too afraid to realize their very survival depends on their action. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 By the way as far as political standing goes... I am a democrat by political party and actually a moderate not a republican. I also have a firm belief in the words of Ha-Shem and a solid understanding of right and wrong. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leonard, I am a U.S. conservative Jew. As one might expect I also have a few Jewish friends and not one of them wants to ask the Arab for mercy as far as I know. I also know a few Arabs here too and oddly enough they don't seem to share the hatred for Jews that most of the world does. I don't know if they are concealing it or what, but we engage in social activities as friends. If that was a reasonable possibility for Israel I would be all for it, but any rational person can clearly see that won't happen. I am sick of seeing pictures and reading about incidents where my brethren .... children, young mothers, innocent teens, are viciously killed by some rampaging Palestinian. If I was in charge.... lol, well the leaders of Israel know far better then I what they are up against. Pandering to the Arab world or the weak knee European humanist is definitely the wrong approach. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 fighting the constant onslaught of gay this and gay that is not bigotry. It's protection of the basic family value core to the salvation of society. You twist words, you try to incite using statements that opposing this disgusting perversion of G-d'd law and nature is an indication of unfair bias and hatred, but it is still nothing more then your wicked desire to legitimize that which is abhorrent and wrong. In the United States you have the right to live your life as you see fit as long as you don't encroach on the rights of others. Gays constantly encroach on the rights of others as your twist on my statements shows, Matt. Gays are constantly trying to force everyone to their camp, I believe because misery loves company. In truth Ha-Shem specifically condemns homosexuality and shuns all who support it...;. Perhaps the story of Soddom comes to mind? Maybe the Torah comes to mind? I do not want to be in a war with gays. I would rather just ignore them, but they want to destroy and pervert the act of marriage enacted by Ha-Shem as a religiously recognized union ordained by G-d Himself. Homosexual marriage is a very far cry from that. If any of you are too blind to see that you are lost. The one thing Gays are more afraid of then anything is truth. In Truth homosexual behavior destroys society. If we are to be tolerant and accepting then we should ignore them, but the only thing that would make them happy is if we join them. My goodness how depraved have we become that we think this is a normal thing? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Matt how dare you compare the struggle and plight of Judaism with the perversion debauchery that is homosexuality? You perverted my words you pervert the faith, you pervert yourself. I wonder are you gay as well? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I really don't want to cause animosity between friends so let me say this. I don't expect anyone to hold my point of view and those who don't agree with me should not expect me to agree with them. When all is said and done it is Ha-Shem who is Judge and we are all due Judgement. We have been told how to live and very few if anyone really lives as we are supposed to, from what I've seen. Still, I cannot condone or state that gay marriage is a good thing because it just isn't. I don't try to push my way on you and don't try to make me accept yours. If we disagree that is how it is. I will not allow that to taint how I treat my fellow man or my fellow Jew. It is Ha-Shem, not me, who has that authority. A man in dire need gets my help regardless if he is Jew, Moslem, Hindu, or whatever....straight or gay. I will not hold back my help. I will NOT endorse that which I find abhorrent and I will not say its ok. Any questions? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Time will tell Ari... time will tell. I am very hard core when it comes to my heritage and the future of my children and their children. I also believe what Ha-Shem has said. I have faith and I have the courage of my conviction. I don't want war or bloodshed any more then anyone else does, but we've tried it your way for 61 yrs and all it has led to is the death of my brethren. If you don't stand with us you stand against us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rocky, Jewish law says we are to chase you out and remove your place in our community. If we catch you in the vile act of engaging in sodomy we are to stone you to death. How is that for reality? U am not one to wish death on anyone and I would rather just let you be, but as I can tell from your constant rant defending this atrocious debauchery, it doesn't do any good to let you be. That is why Ha-Shem condemns you and your kind. Please if you just want to be left alone, then leave us alone. We have no desire to be a part of your condemnation. Leland if you stand with the gay you stand against Ha-Shem... plain and simple. I am not saying to attack them or even bother them... let them live their lives, G-d will take care of them, but there is no way I will side with them as homosexuals... as human beings yes, but not as gays. As human beings they do deserve civility and respect and that I do, but I will not have them dictate to me how I am going to be or what I am going to give them. End of Story. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Kosher or not these illegals knew full well they were using someone else's number. Since the SSA began cracking down on fake numbers anyone using a bad one would get flagged within days of submitting and I-9 form. These people used other peoples SS#'s and have created a huge problem for the honest hard working Americans these illegals stole the number from. I am one of those victims and I can't begin to express the anquish over the loss of my social security benefits, the credit nightmares, and the police problems as a result of these unscrupulous criminals who steal in to our country at night. They're just like the Palestinians in that they hate us to the core, but suck up to us for the money and the freedom they long gave up as Mexican citizens in Mexico and those from the other central American countries. There is no justification for this and the owners of that meat plant should be arrested for their crimes and the hardship they, through their greed in wanting cheap illegal labor, caused the community and law abiding Jews everywhere. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ari, Do you not study history? Are you unaware of every compromise made by Israel to give up settlements and territory has only led to the evil getting ever closer to the heart of the state? Have you ever seen in your lifetime a genuine effort on the part of the Arab to live in peace with Israel? If you back up on a dog it attacks. There can be no compromise with people not willing to compromise or honor any agreement they already made in the first place. The only solution is to either let these evil dogs of destruction in to the heartland of Israel, or to chase them out forever. I choose option B. We have a small plot of land on this earth granted by G-d for the eternal homeland of the Jew. That is all we want, that is all we need, and that is what we will have. The Arabs have a thousand times the land and they didn't want our parcel until we moved back in it. It isn't that they want a state if Palestine. It's that they don't want a state of Israel. Those that refuse to learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ha-Shem is the master of us all Daniel... I would think you knew this. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Can it be true that Italy is a real friend of Israel? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rocky no one said anything about removing rights or denying gays of equal protection under the laws of any nation. I am sick and tired of the gays constantly pushing for more rights, more privilege, more attention then the rest of us. Gays are a very small minority of a cross section of humanity and as such are looked at somewhat differently, but they are guaranteed equal rights in the United States. It is a common trick of gays to put this argument in to the light of them being repressed and their rights being threatened when this is absolutely not true. It is a case of a small section of fringe humanity wanting an overbearing protection and more rights then the general population. It is just wrong. You twist my words claiming hate, but I don't hate them... I pity them sometimes because if what I see, but I don't hate them. It is more that they hate me because I am not like them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The fact that Israel does have nuclear weapons and in spite of the horrible struggle Israel has had over the past 61 years, Israel hasn't used them should be a testament to the comparison of ideologies. Iran cannot wait to get hold of nuclear devices and detonate them over the lands of Israel and the United States. All of the talk and all of the posturing by these arm chair statesmen make me laugh. When it comes down to it, those who do the will of Ha-Shem will be spared and those who don't wont. There really isn't much to say except that time really is short kiddos. Read the writings on the wall. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oddly Mr Goldbarg you are mostly correct, but marriage is a religious contract between a man and a woman for the purpose of raising a family in accordance with the will of Ha-Shem. Your twist on it does not apply nor does the horribly wicked twists on truth and logic by both Rabbi Silverstein and Izzy (forgive me Rabbi, but direct opposition to Torah is a direct opposition to G-d and you should react accordingly). I am not saying gays (and yes I refer to men as women aren't listed in this prohibition by Ha-Shem) should be rounded up and systematically treated like my forefathers in the Holocaust, but to side with the act G-d refers to as an unholy abomination is not the act of one who believes or has faith in Ha-Shem period. Rationalization to fit one's personal agenda is not right no matter how politely you state it. I have gay friends and straight friends. Most of my gay friends think as I do that Marriage between two men is stupid, but that is just our opinion. You are welcome to have your own. Ha-Shem, however, specifically outlaws the very act itself and any support of it is an act against Ha-Shem. A Rabbi who blatantly speaks in defense of this horrible act of abomination should not represent Judaism. That is more then my opinion. I am a bit upset that I feel I must say this because I have always been raised to revere Rabbis with total allegiance, but there is a limit to acceptance. I choose to make that limit, overt perversion of Torah. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 whatever..... Considering the actual philosophy of the republican party (not the stated one) how can any self respecting Jew be a republican? The republican party stands for everything we should stand against. Oppression, restriction to education and medical care to only the wealthy, voter repression, tyranny, greed, dishonesty, fascism, bullying, dehumanizing of others, war, chaos. Why would any rational human being want to be a republican. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hopefully the stark reality of this site will bring home the seriousness of the Jewish plight and will help to cement the reality of the Arabic and Neo Natzi goal to exterminate all of Judaism in his mind. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Another precious life taken by an evil madman. How long must we suffer these horrible injustices? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Any agreement other then allowing Israel full return of all its lands handed down by Ha-Shem is doomed to failure. There can be no compromise that will stand any test of time and the further attempts by outside governments to force this issue will result in horrible consequences beyond mankind's understanding. I urge people to research history and remember the promises of Ha-Shem. He will not be undone by the words of any of us. It is us who must rework ourselves for G-d. What is so hard with understanding this? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Same sex marriage is an abomination as is tolerating the public acceptance of a man laying with a man as a woman. It is also forbidden by Ha-Shem. I realize in today's world we must allow people to choose their own lifestyle, but we should not rewrite our morals or laws to give them privileges far and above rational reality. This is just another example of being governed by people who have never governed themselves. It is a horror and Ha-Shem will not let it stand. This point of view is now considered ultra conservative when in fact only a few years ago it was mainstream thought. How sad for us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Give it a rest Sallai. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It would be really nice Rabbi if that were true and the Palestinian did want to exist in its own state outside of the boundaries of Israel. Too Bad it isn't. Palestinians want the land of Israel just because the Israelis are there. It's like a dog wanting a chew toy another dog has just because the other dog has it. I pray for peaceful resolution but I prepare for war. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dang... again I find myself agreeing with Sallai Levinsohn.... My family line was chased out of Spain hundreds of years ago under threat of death. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The French government has long been seen as a friend and ally to the Arab and Persian extremist. There are large pockets of Arabic terrorists living in peace and splender in France and Iranian criminals as well. The money that flows to French officials from Arabic sources keeps these openly corrupt officials from taking any stand against them. If I were a French Jew I would be making plans to leave. There is no justice for them in France. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I can understand your take on this article Joshua, but let me point out that Bush's favor to the Israeli government was a propaganda ploy as he secretly gave billions and billions in weapons systems and training to the Saudis who funnelled it all to extremist groups. Obama wants real peace. While he may not be going about it the right way presently he will amend his course of action as the truth unfolds before him. Give him a little credit. He is not a greedy little despot trying to take over the world, like GW Bush was. Let us give this new attempt at a diplomatic peace a chance and then if it looks like all we have left is war... so be it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The arab world has been murdering Israelis and Jews for centuries. It didn't just start with the invention of explosives or the advent of instruction on the internet. The two who started the fight came together as brothers and vowed they would not turn on each other, but the descendants of Ishmael still raise their children to hate and kill Jews. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I may regret this but...I actually agree with you Sallai Levinsohn. I would be married today if the woman I love would marry me, but because I won't marry a woman I don't love I remain unmarried. I refuse to be simply cattle for the herdsman. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And you Sallai are apparently an Arab plant 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sallai Levinsohn what is your real name Abdullah ? Go back to the rock you crawled out from under. Paul Levin, Whether you support AiPac or not you should support the vindication of these innocent victims of the Bush hate police. The reality of this situation would sicken most people who believe this kind of treachery only exists on television melodramas. It is very good we get this issue and many others you haven't heard about yet out in the open and those responsible for this illegal attempt by government officials to attack those not sympathetic with their criminal agendas. It is time to demand... I said DEMAND investigations, arrests, and prosecutions of the many in the Bush Administration who undertook numerous criminal acts against the nation and the people of the United States in general... including executives of the Telephone companies, Internet service providers, postal workers who spied on the common folk, and others. The Bush Administration is guilty of tens of thousands of such incidents where the rights of the citizens were compromised or simply ignored in its over zealous attempt to stamp out any dissenting opinion, oppress free speech, and block hundreds of thousands of legitimate votes through illegal means in order to prolong its power. It is also guilty of stealing billions of dollars from the taxpayers, allowing murderous gangs to roam the streets of Irag in the name of "security", increasing police powers domestically to the point where citizens are afraid of local governments and police departments, false arrests and imprisonment based on retribution rather then criminal acts, and treason for attempts to fraudulently take over the government of the United States. All these things and more occurred at the direction of Dick Cheney, GW Bush, Karl Rove, and Tom DeLay. My detractors will happily say I am just another crazy conspiracy nut, but the evidence is readily available to prove my accusations. Not all calls of conspiracy are crazy. Not all who call for examination of the facts are wrong. We are in great danger here of losing the very liberty we fought for generations to get and to keep. We must stand up for the rights afforded us by the US Constitution if we are to keep them and we must never allow these unscrupulous people to get control of our government again. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 They probably didn't report that Larry because it is too obvious of a lie. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Norman what are you trying to say? Do you know yourself? Are you trying to compare Biden with Ahmadinejad? Maybe you would rather back the recent group of republican scoundrels who spend their time shaking hands with the Jew while packing the Arab's trucks full of weapons to use against them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gingrich the ultimate panderer. Newt is a liar, a thief, and a scoundrel. He cares for no one or no thing but himself. He is the consumate trickster. He doesn't care about anything except his own money and power. Don't be swayed by his two faced attempt to lure you by his feigning compassion for Jewish interests. He is nothing but a two-bit criminal. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No one listens to what you have to say any more Didier... we see you for what you are. I just want people to realize that everyone needs a place to eat, a place to sleep, and a place to deal with the needs of hygiene. If these are illegal squatters trying to present a sense of legitimacy to the Palestinian condition then hey.... roust em out with vigor... but we of all people should understand what it is not to have a home. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, This is surprising to me. You are making statements completely out of character from what I've seen. Attacking one of the best institutes of higher learning? It is not as hard core right wing as Yale, but it is a pretty good school academically. I find people trying to hide in the comfort of rigid control and secrecy are usually cowards. The Harvard Lampoon has been a beacon of contradictory thought for many decades and many Harvard grads move on to very good social friendly careers.... President Obama for example. It produces scores of graduates who are highly motivated, highly skilled, and usually very well rounded in the area of Human Study. It produces some of the finest lawyers, Doctors, Business executives, and the like that the world has known. I personally know several Harvard Graduates and every single one of them are intelligent well educated and even handed thinkers with great track records and a wonderful sense of compassion for their fellow man. It would be good to put some judges on the Supreme Court bench that believe in upholding rights instead of removing them. What is the issue you have concerning Harvard Leland? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ha-Shem sees all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland... if you want to compare... the current finance bill to pork ratio is less then one percent. Under GW Bush and your average Republican Administration it runs close to 70%. If you don't think that a substantial reduction I hope you report your delivery of pork on your tax form. Under Tom Delay the US Senate ran a sweat shop offshore for illegal asian immigrants, (and still do) where Tom Delay and Jack Abramoff are the key owners, where human rights are non existent and work is long and arduous and pay is nearly non-existent. Attempts to shut down this island slavery farm by Democratic Congressional members have failed under the Bush leadership. Leland, please don't try to pan off the wickedness and greed of these horrible people on Mr. Obama. If you are a part of it don't even try to defend yourself to me or G-d. It will do you no good at all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am dead set against Palestinian incursion in to Israeli territory, but as the director of a large homeless outreach in the United States I ask people to be sympathetic to those needing housing regardless of proper permits. If someone is a terrorist or aids in terrorism... yeah toss em out and bulldoze the house, but remember our duty to compassion and tolerance of the alien living in our midst. Have mercy please. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The bush administration tries to make every thing they did Obama's fault and every thing Obama does to fix it the result of Republican measures... These things are merely the trickery of evil people and we must be careful to study the cause and effect so that we don't become lulled into believing their lies. This really is a serious attempt by very wealthy corporate and military complex executives to take over the government of the United States. Yes, I know this reeks of conspiracy theory, but in some cases it really is. Let us remember to hold everyone in our nation accountable to the laws of the land and reign in the unchecked power of these wanton abusers of power. We are again headed back in the right direction. We need to keep on keeping on! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Norman you are absolutely right, but the evil doers of the deed have been run out of office with the closure of the Bush Administration. These people are the right wing extremists the Canadian Rabbi spoke of, not AiPac. Forgive me Rabbi, but you are mistaken. It was only through the re- integrity -izing of the U.S. Justice department under the new Obama Administration that this (and soon to be many more) incident was given an honest look. This situation has been secretly going on since 2004. The Bush Administration, while making big noises of support for Israel and Judaism has been making huge payments of cash and modern weaponry to Saudi Arabia which has funnelled it to Arab extremist groups. This was a very well thought out effort by both British and American right wing leaderships to covertly upset the balance of strength enjoyed by Israel to further the personal interests of the Saudis and to enrich said western leadership. Anyone who tries to put these wicked people who are now out of office as loyal allies to Israel is either a liar or seriously misinformed. We have our issues with whether Obama will be as staunch an ally as we need him to be, but at least he is honest. He may be confused, inexperienced, and swayed by certain advisers, but he is an honest man with integrity. That is definitely a step in the right direction. My point is don't fall for the rhetoric of the Republican fascist party which will say and do anything to grab power. This is not the fault of the current administration. This administration took ethical effort to solve it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 and thoroughly disgusted... I'm feeling kinda ashamed you are too. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Archie Israel is not my enemy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 And neither of you two idiots are concerned at all about the gross violation of personal privacy and constitutional laws broken by a government regime gone completely wild? The whole situation where the govt obtained information they twisted into some sort of criminal conspiracy was very very illegal. This is just another example of King George and his criminally negligent kangaroo kourt of unscrupulous operatives breaking the law of the land to try to ruin the reputations of people they disagree with that they were too afraid to scurry off to some eastern block gray prison for incarceration without warrant or charge. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Shutz I don't quite believe your conclusions. I've been around a while and I remember in my youth the air was much cleaner then it is today. It burns my eyes now... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Fred what are you doing here? Go find one of your ultra neo-fascist homosexual support groups or whatever forum it is that caters to your kind. This is a Jewish news site and G-d is a very important ingredient. (just a little poke) Now that I got that little rant out of the way.... you are right we cannot afford to overlook our responsibility to the planet that sustains us. Ha-Shem gave us instructions to take care of it and considers it a sin against Him if we don't. The fact that our business and government leaders are more concerned with short term profits for themselves then any long term effect we have on the very globe we exist on shows we have come far from our roots based in a belief in G-d and his ways to take an amoral me first position of wanton destruction for the sake of money and power... That is what happens when G-d is not part of a community's life Fred... irrational extremists notwithstanding. There is no moral compass without Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Whoa... boycott wines???? I love a good Barkan Merlot... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland good friends that engage in the kind of actions Turkey engages in are not friends. They are merely associates of convenience. Turkey is a very oppressive and murderous nation like many in that region including Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran, and Iraq. There is a violent evil prevailing in that entire part of the world due to feudalism, ignorance, and greed. This will not go away by being "nicer" to them. We must refrain from making "deals with the devil" so to speak. Political gains of that sort are immoral. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Qanni Leyhn You sir are a liar. Yesterday another rocket fell in to a Jewish neighborhood fired from a Palestinian's house in Gaza. That is why I scream at the top of my lungs for the complete removal of every single Palestinian. While that may be genocidal in expression it is far from being carried out, yet the Palestinian Arab, the Libian Arab, the Syrian Arab, the Iranian Persian, the Lebanese Arab, the Jordanian Arab, etc etc etc constantly call for the extermination of the Jew and have for centuries actively engaged themselves in attempts to carry that out, funded by the Saudis and others. Genocide will happen. Ha-Shem will rid the world of every single one of you. You won't be able to blame this on the Jew. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Salman Danish you try to spread your propaganda in here but, it fails mostly because the general reader of JTA is educated. The fear mongering and spreading falsehoods to the ignorant masses doesn't work here. You need to go back to an Islamic country where education is supressed and replaced by false rhetoric of over zealous despots. Where common rights of humanity are oppressed and people are beaten, tortured, and murdered for their opinions. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Gary... your johnny come lately comments show a clear lack of knowledge of this incident. This matter is due to an over aggressive and illegal wiretapping of a US Congresswoman by the Bush administration. It falls under the same vein of the Republican Party illegally suppressing citizen votes against it. This is another in a long line of criminal incidents where the Usurpers of our liberties used the government illegally to suppress free speech, the right to opinion and free expression. It violated the civil rights of a sitting congresswoman and through good ol' boy contacts cost two dedicated professionals their jobs. The wickedness that was the Bush Administration and still is the republican party is where the traitors to the United States are. The slanderous attempt to ruin good people by these horrible abusers of the constitution have been going on for the last 8 yrs and it is high time we the people urged our justice department to investigate and prosecute them for their crimes. We must send a message to future administrations with designs of a power grab that it will NOT be tolerated. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Launch an Israeli rocket in to a Palestinian neighborhood and see what happens 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Bravo Stuart! You deserve accolades for your comment. I am so glad we are finally separating false Judaism as represented by the fascist right wing party in the USA and genuine Judaism by kind, tolerant, observant Jews who are mostly democrat in America. The injustice dealt us by these phony representatives have helped to further the unfavorable stereotypes many who are actually ignorant about Judaism believe to be true. Mr. Yehuda seems to put the republican party ahead of his heritage. Another shameful example of the Bush disease. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Turks don't call it genocide when they move in to Iraq to massacre the Kurds, or whatever they do... They call it state preservation. Using the term genocide against Israel is a complete falsehood and honestly a deeply meant insult to the Jewish people. I am sick and tired of these repressive regimes shouting accusations at Israel while in the midst of committing serious crimes against their own people. Its the rhetoric war though. That's just the way it is. One day these liars will pay for their words. Tic Toc... time is running out for you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ed, Britain is responsible for the current fiasco by originally mandating a Palestinian state in 1917 and then breaking their word (surprise surprise) to the Jews in 1948 by severely reducing the promised area of the land of Israel and surrounding it with hostile arabs. Britain is no friend to anyone but British bankers and simply cannot be trusted. The best thing to do when dealing with a Brit is to smile politely but keep your hand on your pistol. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You may be right Leland. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I can't think of any reason the Palestinians won't take him... A tried and true cold blooded killer of the helpless.... that's right up their alley. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Earl I can respect your comments and experience. I am glad you have found that balance. I can only speak from my experiences. I am the son of a Sephardic woman and an Irish man. I look like an Irishman. I have experienced many situations where hatred for the Jew was the focus of the group. When my heritage was discovered apologies were made and these people made their way away from me. I have seen this hate from a perspective that I just can't forget. As the director of a Christian Homeless Ministry (I am a conservative Jew) I have been involved with numerous groups of differing ideologies and I have seen first hand what these groups do. Most Christian groups feel sorry for Jews because they believe they are all damned to hell. Most Muslim groups hate the Jew and believe they are the cause for all the world's evil. Now individuals may have their own opinions, but as a group they call for the extermination of all Jews. You may have made your peace with that, but I haven't. I have also faced decades of polite persecution at the hands of my fellow Jew because I am not "pure" enough for them. My goodness.... If I could live in the midst of all this believing that its not as bad as it is I could probably sleep better...but I can't. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ok Mr. Goldbarg I will check that out. If wrong I stand corrected. Thanks 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Hicks will not learn Veda, Ike. He feels justified in professing his falsehood for some reason or the other. Had he the gumption to actually research the issue he would save himself the embarrassment of being the foolish lackey of a vicious population of killers. Maybe he thinks the Muslim people will embrace him for his support. More likely they will take advantage of him then cut his head off like they've done to so many others like the Journalist Mr. Pearl. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yaakov, Who is we? Do you have a mouse in your pocket? You delude yourself sir. Norman, Your comment was not only sensible but very accurate. I am glad to see such truthful comment. Stuart... you're funny ha ha ha 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Arthur Cohn, I would like to point out that it is the leniency of the Minnesota courts not the honesty of them that allows Mr. Coleman to remain free. His apparent moderation must be his involvement in only minor felonies. Well... for a republican that is pretty moderate. His Democratic opponent, Al Franken also a Jew, won fair and square as has already been decided by two recounts and a court decision. Mr. Coleman simply can't believe the dishonest voting practices, that kept so many republicans in power for almost a decade, didn't prevail against an overwhelming Democratic response. While Mr. Franken won by a very slight margin... he did win. Your comments are not only incorrect, but mildly manipulative. I would think you would prefer to end this charade by a sore loser so that the state of Minnesota can get back in to the business of handling it's part in the nation's business. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Rabbi, With respect, I have to say he was forced to because his failure to support very hard core right wing extremist legislation, the republican party was going to figuratively cut his throat. I don't really go for any turncoat, but at least Mr. Specter is honest about it, unlike famous opportunist Senator Lieberman. We need him in the democratic camp and so we gracefully accept him. Another Jewish man in Minnesota is having problems because of hard core right wing Jewish man known for his dishonesty and shaky financing schemes. We are supposed to be working together not in fighting with each other for personal power. I am surprised a Rabbi would make such a public statement violating Loshon Ha-Ra as this does, but I don't generally question a Rabbi. Mr Specter is needed to help push genuine reforms benefiting the citizens of the United States and the elitist few are trying very hard to prevent these issues from being resolved. We must remember who we serve and why. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The general consensus in here is right. There are already sufficient laws on the books that apply to everyone... Rocky you and your gay buddies can go to hades for all I care... all these groups screaming hate crime hate crime are asking for "special" protections and penalties. That is a violation of our Constitution and should not even be considered. I am going to pay close attention to the votes cast on this bill. One thing that people tend to forget. The United States is a majority rule nation in every way except for personal rights and all citizens enjoy the same... thats all... the same! Blacks make up between 12% and 13% of the American public, Gays much less, most people in the United States ...well over half of them... are white Christians. Even we Jewish do not rank that high in percentage and as such our representation should be in perspective. The people in both houses of congress, regardless of race or creed, are supposed to represent the majority of their constituents and not these racist fractional social entities screaming for more attention then they deserve. All who commit crimes should suffer the punishment prescribed by law and extra punishment because of sex or racial origin is a downright violation of the law. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 bob you are right on the money! These "American Muslims" are racist to the core. They blame whites mostly for their woes but as they are now part of "Islam" they are also turning against Judaism. These are mostly angry militant personalities who try to force people in to accepting their self constructed views of life and history as truth. Hmmm that is like Islam... I run an homeless outreach and I have had run ins with these kinds of groups and I can tell you one thing for sure. They intentionally put a good face forward to the press and the outside world but they are wicked vicious dogs of death and destruction. They have worked themselves in to positions of low to middle level city government all across the nation and are using their influence to illegally push their agendas, screaming racism and religious persecution whenever they are confronted. Their purpose is to pillage and plunder having no stomach for the steady work ethic and social responsibility they invade. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I was under the impression (I have the speeches on video tape) that the Obama administration was willing to engage in dialogue with the Iranians, but that he was not going to change our position towards them concerning nuclear weapons or Israel. Just what is the truth here? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 liberalism is not known for being narrow minded vbb... just the opposite in fact. It is considered too open ,minded and scares conservatives and most fat cat republicans afraid of change. My concern with reform Judaism is that it seems to encompass things specifically un-jewish. However, my opinion is an uninformed one and I easily admit I can be wrong. I mean no insult or diminutive slant on anyone of the Reform movement. I am speaking out of ignorance and curiosity. I am a conservative Jew. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 excuse me? Arresting a Congressman while congress is in session? That is a clear violation of Federal Statute. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 David G You are the one who is distorting things here. Why are you even making a comment? What is your purpose? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Didier Spaier are you claiming to be a Jew? I think not...Nazi perhaps but not a Jew. Your history is tainted with lie and trickery. You don't speak the truth. Am I being clear enough? How dare you claim Israel is ethnic cleansing the Palestinians? If that was the truth there would not be a Palestinian left on the Planet. The people who call themselves Palestinians have been killing Jewish men, women, and children since 1917 when they were first given the place to live after the British and French chased the Jews out. In 1948 a portion of that land was given back to the Jews by the British "as a homeland for the Jew who has no place else to go" as a homeland from now on. The audacity of these Brits to endow a people to live in a land G-d has already given them is astronomical. The audacity of you to spread your lies and deceit is only pitiful and may you get what you deserve. The Palestinian, Iranian, Arab situation will only get worse until Ha-Shem steps in and exterminates these peoples in a way even an ingrate like you can't argue with.... you may just share in their fate. Tic Toc Didier.... the time is coming. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ed, Canada is a big recipient of Arabic people. It has never been overly fond of the Jewish. It's kind of the same way they quietly massacred and jailed their indigenous populations... just keeping it behind the scenes. The great lakes area just south of Canada in the USA is also a very big Arabic settlement area, full of mosques, hate groups, and undercover jihadists. The leadership of the United States is too afraid of the political fall out to do anything about it. The Canadians seem to think Judaism has it coming. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Neil, NO!... I am not the pacifist you expect. I am not an antagonizer either. I don't go looking for a fight, but I will NOT... let me repeat this... I will NOT simply allow the enemies of my faith and my brethren to prosper at condemning Israel or Judaism. That time has ended. It ended with Krystall Nacht. If someone wants publicity for slandering or attacking Israel or Judaism then I believe its more than fair for them to get the publicity they deserve and have them seen for what they are. By your acceptance or brushing off of such things you give them support for later actions by precedent circumstance. Every single case of this kind of public propaganda needs to be met with deliberate and absolute resolve. Even small holes in the roof will let the rain in. I want to be tolerant and to receive tolerance, but these matters have gone way too far and we are suffering great tragedy as a result. It is not wrong to stand up for yourself. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 vbb .... Iran, Syria, Libya.... but lets go on... Saudi Arabia, North Korea, Yemen, Somalia, Hamas, Fatah, PLO, Look at who organized it vbb and who was the keynote speaker. Or, like so many who try to make others think they aren't hateful bigots, do you side with these evil states and don't see them as such? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Milton... go ahead... you can regard David Hicks as a Neo Nazi right wing thug trying to do his part to rid the world of the Jew. His comments on several articles show his intentions whether he wants to admit it or not. He would prefer to push the lies of wicked murdering dogs rather then learn even recent history of the last 80 yrs or so. If he would study history over...say... the last 3000 yrs he would realize his feeble attempts at biasing the generally ignorant are pitifully useless. His kind of ignorance is ignorance by choice Milton and there is NOTHING you can do about it unless you can catch him sneaking around at night painting swastikas on the Temple walls. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am concerned that reform Judaism gets more press then Conservative or Orthodox. I've always thought the Reform movement was more of an "I'm OK Your Ok" kind of thing where whatever you want to believe is ok. I am not so sure that the Reform Movement represents the general thoughts of Judaism as a whole. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Be wary of the turncoat Lieberman. A Democrat, no Republican, no Independent.... my suggestion is to check out his voting record and his flip flopping on important issues for his personal gain against the interests of his constituancy. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Another Nazi masquerading as a religious man .... so many of them are Catholic. What a surprise. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I will organize a world wide boycott of this canadian company. Turn about is fair play. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The conference was a success at raising the level of hateful rhetoric towards Israel and Judaism. It was a failure at its stated purpose of ending racism and religious bigotry. This conference was sponsored and run by the three biggest hate groups on earth. It was reminiscent of the National Socialist conferences of the 1930s. It is time to shout " To Arms my brethren... to arms!" 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Just the other day Ms Clinton said just the opposite... Headline from JTA Clinton: No aid to P.A. with Hamas 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Homeland Security is an agency started by Dick Cheney to enforce his will against the citizenry of the United States. It was used by the original director of said agency as a means to "Party Hearty" at the expense of the American taxpayer. It is filled with greedy incompetent people hired under the Bush hiring practice of loyalty to him rather then any real ability to do the job. Homeland Security is the biggest threat to the security of the freedoms American citizens enjoy. The Homeland Security act and the Patriot Act were forced down the throats of Congress without adequate time to digest and it passed with NO member of congress ever reading it. It was mostly rubber stamped by the republican fascist cadre but enough democrats also voted for it to make me want to vote everyone in congress out of office and replace them with new blood. The reality of Janet Napolitano's statement is that she has no clue what needs to be done and is merely the useless figure head of a beast too large to be effective or feed. Homeland Security is just one more nail in the coffin of the U.S. ability to effect any useful change at all within its own borders. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well... have they found anyone yet? Maybe they will in the mass grave they are currently uncovering... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sylvia, Clinton clearly knows that. She is a bitter woman who smiles to your face waiting for her chance for revenge. She has never shown a commitment to any Israeli solution that didn't include the Palestinians. She is pro Palestinian and has no foundation history at all. There is something there we don't yet know about her, but we are searching. There has to be a reason. Jimmy Carter is just senile. He falls victim to whoever sucks up to him the most, but Mrs. Clinton is a very aggressive hard nosed fighter. She does what she does for her own gain. Her loyalty is to her. She can be dangerous. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Sylvia, Ms. Clinton has, as long as I remember, been sympathetic to the Palestinian cause. Maybe she blames the Jewish for something in her past, but her boss is an intelligent, although inexperienced, statesman. Have a little faith. Her mistaken ideology has cost her dearly in the past and it will again. I simply have no respect for her, but I do respect the office she holds. I am an American and as such I am loyal to my country, but if my country turns its back on Israel I will leave. I will not be a traitor to my nation, but I will not be a part of the destruction of Israel. Ha-Shem comes first in all things. I have seen the results of negotiating with Arabs. I do not endorse that. I endorse doing whatever is needed to secure the peace and safety of Israel and Jews worldwide. The United States is Israel's strongest and most loyal ally and Israel must not forget that, but Israel cannot act like a coward and give in to demands out of fear for reprisal. Ha-Shem walks with us. Who can stand against us? The people who don't believe? They are of no use to anyone, not even themselves. Israel should stand firm to be Israel now and forever. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If I were in charge (many are thankful I am not) I would immediately recall everyone living abroad in countries favorable to Islam extremists or Palestinian terrorists and I would systematically annihilate every living thing in those nations. Why you ask? Why would a seemingly rational human being react so.... violently? I am tired of seeing the news report my Jewish brethren are being killed, or abused. I am sick of seeing Jewish children laying dead at the hands of wicked terrorists like Hezbollah, Fatah, or any of a myriad of Islamic hate groups. I am sick to death of the horror that we must live through every single day because of the jealousy and hatred exhibited by all these people who knowingly lie to bring sympathy for themselves while they murder innocent men, women, and children, simply because of they're Jews. All of you vicious lying rabid dogs of hate better thank Ha-Shem I am not in charge, because if I were..... It would take 7 yrs to bury the dead. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Miz Shabazz or whatever you call yourself... Your father was a great man of intelligence, determination, and faith. He was an honest man who gave his life for the freedoms of everyone. His murder at the hands of the Black Muslims, ordered by Mr. Farakan himself, was a tragedy for all of us. Your hatred of anything not just like you is so unlike your father. There is a lot of zealous emotion involved in the Durban II conference because the Islamists (probably just like you) are calling for the extermination of the Jewish people under the guise of anti racism. I have seen a lot of racism in my 54 yrs from every ethnic group that ever lived. I know it when I see it. YOU are a racist. An ugly dirty racist. The truth is Ha-Shem is with us and no one can stand against us. You only condemn yourself with your hateful words. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Well thought and presented yet I would like to point out most Americans will not support a trade off where Israel is not kept close to the chest. We Americans are still mostly G-d fearing people with a deep spiritual connection to Israel. I truly believe a lot will have to happen before convenience overtakes our commitment to Israel. While nefarious immigrants are pouring in to the United States who do not hold our values, thanks mostly to the Republican commitment to a cheap controllable labor force, The greater majority of us realize the right of Israel to not only exist but to represent Judaism to the world. I still don't believe Obama would turn his back on us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Where's Poppy Bison with an unusually poisoned comment about how the Obama Administration is violating US Laws by wire tapping sitting congressional members under cia orders? Oh that's right... this is just another in a long line of illegal acts by ex president GW Bush specifically tatgeted against the Jewish People. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Poppy you are repeating rhetoric of the fascist enclave that now controls the republican party in the USA. It is not only doubtful you know Obama or his record, but it is also very unlikely you actually have done any research to back up your statements. Generally people who make such emotional claims try to intimidate the discovery process with scare tactics. Your friends GW Bush and Dick Cheney should be indicted for their criminal activity against the United States and its interests, including Israel. Which of the three blind mice are you? Or are you just a fictional character of some republican propagandist? So many that make these statements are... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Palestinians generally don't paint swastikas Neo Nazis do. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Does anyone have a list of these offices around the world? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hmmmm I don't know what to say here... The Palestinian struggle to gain something they never really had, by lie and violence is not the same thing as the Holocaust. That is true. So factually she is incorrect, but firing people for their political opinion no matter whether right or wrong is a clear indication of "thought police" mentality I've been hearing a lot of lately. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Angry rioters are not a reason for armed response. Containment and arrest perhaps, but armed response is uncalled for. There are many non-lethal methods for ending small scale rioting like this including tear gas, rubber bullets, netting, etc. More attention needs to be paid to safety of the Police to prevent injury, but shooting in to the crowd is not an acceptable means of breaking up a demonstration unless that is the only available method for control to prevent escalation of the situation. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Seriously... I found no problem understanding what was meant. It is past time for us to stand up against this evil and now they have desecrated Joseph's tomb. It is time for us to clean up our act and ask Ha-Shem for protection and justice in dealing with these horrible people. Let the One who knows all hearts take his vengeance on these mongrels of humanity. May this fire burn in their souls until none are left. I am very disappointed that the only complaint is how the title sentence was formulated. Our forefather's grave was desecrated by those who wish our deaths. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I am not sure there is any truth to this. It looks like Syria is back in control of Lebanon 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The truth does have an impact to those willing to have open minds. To those who only want to keep their twisted belief structure out of fear... it is dangerous. I choose the truth. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Zalman your statements were irrelevent to the article and actually made no sense to me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 That is one of the things I have been waiting to read. I am glad for it. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland you and I are opposition, so to speak. Jews and Christians all over the world need to take notice of these things and stand firm against the onslaught of ignorance, hate, and destruction. There are certain lessons of combat learned during the 40 yrs of travel to the promised land that need to be remembered here. The time is coming and we must be ready. Remember also, this is not of our doing. We as a people have been very compromising. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, Believe me I do keep records. The day will come. Ha-Shem promised. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Didier Spaier Your history is very distorted. The so-called Palestinians are homeless because nobody wants them. They are violent abusers of everyone and every thing they get hold of. They murder their own in violent fits of rage when there is no one else around to kill. These people are not displaced except by themselves. There is no Palestine in reality and hasn't been since around 70ce. Then it was mostly a Jewish state with greek, roman, and persian influence. The bedouin are really the only arabic people with any claim to any of the territory surrounding Israel, the case in fact is Israel was established many thousands of years ago and all the hype put forward by the vicious liars who go by the name of Islamists today is untrue. The area was repopulated by Arabs in a Nazi attempt to change the landscape and after the end of the war and earlier around the turn of the 20th century Britain, mostly because of Winston Churchill, gave a fake legitimacy to a Palestinian state. In 1948 they resized it, restructured it, and broke their promise to the Jews, but still gave the us a Jewish state to which we must constantly fight to keep from the evil that would justify the extermination of the Jewish people for which you seem to be part of. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It was the backstabbing of the agreement made that caused this Jon and it was the British that acted nefariously yes. The British have been abusive colonizers from the early days of their empire but today they suck up to anyone that may indicate they'll give them what they want. Bad teeth aren't the only things rotten in a Brit's head. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Strike two Britain 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Excuse me? The catholics pretended to give Jewish refugees sanctuary and turned them over to their Nazi overlords instead. There may have been individuals who acted to save Jewish people, but if they were catholic it was just a coincidence. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Has anyone else noticed particular words being left out of their comments??? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Hah Joe Lieberman is about as orthodox (in reality not in name) as G.W. Bush is a genuine Christian... Forgive this, but Joe turned his back on his Jewish brethren by siding with an evil regime with designs on world domination through economic slavery. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I really don't know what to say to this. A rabbi taking part in prayers claiming Y'shua the eternal G-d of Israel? I think there is a problem with that. G-d is one and ONLY one. I really believe the intention was good, but I think I side with the ?RCA in this. I am a conservative Jew. I offer no disrespect for Rabbi Lookstein and I hope a solution to this issue is made public so that I can resolve the matter personally. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Dr. Jacques A. Pluss it looks like you got what Palestinians are a myth was trying to say. Spot on. Aaron even if the Palestinians awoke in the morning wanting to shower all of Israel with gifts and love there should not be two states within Israel other then Judah and Israel which in these modern times is pointless. Mr. Emanuel and Mr Axelrod both work the the US President and it is their job to pursue their boss's instructions. If it comes to a point in time where they feel that contradicts their personal convictions they should resign and I would expect them to. There is very good reason to keep the Palestinians out. There is very good reason to stop Iranian plans of destruction. There is very good reason to stop Syria, Libya, Somalia, Lebanon, and other such nations from wreaking havoc on the Jewish People and with the advent of the Iranian president's use of the so called forum for ending racism in Geneva there is good reason to declare against Iran. Tape that declaration to the first bomb to be dropped. Israel is adulterating itself Aaron, with public blessing of Gay couples adopting children, Police arresting legal and peaceful Jewish protesters and stopping devout Orthodox Jews from celebrating Pesach at the Western Wall. The diversity of sects and religious nut groups wandering around Jerusalem and the debauchery easily found in Tel Aviv, dont bode well for the Jewish state. Even the unfair treatment of our enemies is a violation of Torah and thus helps us condemn ourselves. Please don't blame the problems of Israel on two staff members of the US President.... the USA has been the greatest single supporter of Israel ever...and still is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The truth is now that Obama is president the Bush appointed judges are worried about rubber stamping Pro-Bush trumped up charges because now there is a real possibility those who participated in the illegal Bush/Cheney judicial misconduct will be prosecuted by honest judges. The fact that the CIA was spying on a United States Senator in violation of FISA and other domestic laws is enough to launch an investigation by the FBI. The US Justice department is rife with crooked appointees of the Bush Administration, responsible for US torturing of prisoners, secret "gray" prisons where citizens and non-citizens were spirited away to without charge, and the illegal spying by US telephone, communication, and Internet service companies on US Citizens. The Bush Administration gave the telephone companies a get out of trouble free card, but that should be rescinded because the best interests of the United States are not served by such dishonest trickery. The prosecution of the two aipac members is merely clear indication of the real feelings of the Bush Administration towards Israel and Judaism in general. Go ahead you right wing fascists.... blame it on Obama. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Dreamer why do you use this Jewish forum to spread your hate and bigotry? There are serious issues facing us today and we need to act together true, but rationally not lashing out because of emotional instability. You blame Obama for things he is not responsible for and since you clearly do not know him, your personal attacks concerning his character and beliefs is a vile attempt to stir up undue confusion and panic amongst those even less educated then you. I am absolutely for standing up for our culture, our rights, and our faith. I am willing to give my life in needed, but I won't get caught up in hate speech by irrational bigots like you. Get some help with your issues No Dreamer. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Palestinians are a myth: Every point you made is falsehood. Even your fake log in name is a lie. You are venting hatred and bigotry and I take great offense to you. You violate Torah and your kinship to the Jewish people with your words... if you are Jewish at all. One thing I'd like to point out... Obama can take trips to Islamland and bow to the Saudi King, but he can't visit Israel? What is the deal with that? Whether the guy on comment one believes it or not, the greater majority of the American people will not tolerate someone who betrays Israel...especially coming from our own government. The muslims are trying really hard to enter the US, convert (mostly easily swayed blacks with little education and troubled pasts) people to Islam and influence them to vote the Islamic way, but the Majority of the United States is Christian and Jewish with a very deep connection to Israel. The United States has long been a supporter of the Jewish State, long before 1948 and it will continue to be so. Various leaders with their own agendas come and go, but historically we strongly support Israel and Judaism and I am proud of that. There have been exceptions... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Let the Palestinians move to Jordon, Syria, Lebanon, Libia, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, and other places where their views are similar... Oh that's right. They are unwelcome in the Arab, Hashemite, and Persian lands. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is clear who our enemies are. Its is high time we began to push them back to the gates of oblivion. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Kassem you are either gravely ignorant or just a plain old liar. Iran not only has been involved in war and border attack they have exported their soldiers, equipment, and training to Palestine, Syria, the West Bank, Iraq, Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, etc. Their goal is to become the boss of the world. They have stated this. They are a nation of megalomaniacs and hate group cultists. They claim Islamic fundamentalism, but many Islamic scholars have publicly stated that to be untrue both in form and in statement. They export murder for hire and offer rewards for the killing of innocent people for having opinions other then what they deem to be correct. Maybe in your narrow world of ignorance can you be believed but not anywhere where education exists or history is honest. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The indoctrination of hate towards an entire race imposed as "education" is the reason you can not rationalize with Islam. Islam substitutes truth and historical fact for hateful rhetoric and ignorance. Islam uses fear and ignorance to inflame a people intentionally left to wallow in poverty and pain so that it can take advantage of the righteous indignation of it all. Islam used to produce fine music, great science, and beautiful literature. Today produces only hate, death, and destruction. Islam is the anti G-d. It claims association with the Most High through a bastardized relationship believing it can force its way in by lying about its birthright. It could accept the ways of Ha-Shem and thus be nurtured and taught ,but Islam prefers hate, destruction, and evil. We have a saying... "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink". From the beginning of Judaism the Arab world has strived to kill it, but because it is a creation of Ha-Shem they cannot prevail against it. Islam started with grand hopes and generous attitudes of peace, but it has become a mask for evil and wicked men to hide behind. G-d hears and G-d knows. The coming devastation of Islam is completely due to its refusal to accept G-d. Muslims won't be able to blame this one on Judaism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Why don't we post a large board cut in half with the Palestinian claims on one side and the Truth on the other.... Surely some of the attendees know a little about history! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The incidents of anti semitism are definitely on the rise both from heads of states and the ignorant masses they try to control. The success of Arabic propaganda efforts is at the root of this. There are always going to be supremists (even in Judaism) who spout hatred for those different then themselves, but a resurgence like this hasn't been seen since right before the advent of the 3rd reich. This behavior is being seen all over the world and we need to meet this head on with solid determination and unswerving faith in Ha-Shem. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 With the Patriot Act and the Homeland Security Act our civil liberties went out the window Thomas... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Maguire, Under the Bush administration the law and the constitution were not given any respect. Those usurpers of our liberties did what they wanted to. It will be some time before all the atrocious violations of our laws are discovered and still longer before these criminals pay for their crimes. Never before in our history have we had such an incompetent or criminal administration. The closest was the Pierce administration and GW Bush is a direct descendent of Pierce. Funny how that works, eh? It is time to stand up for our laws and our values. It is time to put the real criminals behind bars so they cannot do any more harm. We can start with Rush Limbaugh, Karl Rove, Jack Abramoff (he's already in jail...) Tom Delay, etc etc etc... the list goes on and on. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The holocaust will be remembered. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, I won't. I'm going to jump in this with both feet. President Obama is the American President, not Israel, not Egypt, not Iran. He is sworn to uphold the values of the United States Constitution which does not deny any person's right to religious freedom. We recognize, as US Citizens, that all faiths are valid to the believers of that faith and as such we feel it wrong to chastise a person for his or her beliefs. The separation of church and state demands the US Government not take any sides, but what a man may do on his own, such as President Obama's Seder, is his business and protected by the constitution. He chose to celebrate a Passover Seder with his Jewish friends and colleagues who were of great help to him during his campaign. He showed his ability not to lean towards favoritism by extending the PLO office waiver which he was supposed to do in his official capacity as president. He did not slap anyone in the face. As a matter of fact he performed his duty admirably. I, as many others are, am concerned for his lack of experience and his tendency to trust people, but that is a scourge of youth. I believe he will quickly learn who to and who not to trust. I still have faith that he will do the job he was hired to do, unlike his predecessor who merely raped the system of everything he could get is amoral greedy hands on. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Moderate Palestinians? I am not saying they don't exist. I've just never met one. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I've always felt a twinge whenever I hear the word goyim. My mother's family is Sephardic and my Dad's family is Irish Catholic. When I became old enough to choose for myself I chose Judaism. I have faced ridicule, sarcasm, and downright mean refusal to let me participate and I have been called many names all starting with Goyim. My parents turned away from religious upbringing for my siblings and I because we were not welcomed at either place until we moved to Texas where the "everbuddy iz a baptist" mentality reigned supreme. At least those people accepted us and treated us with respect and kindness. I have a lot of fondness for the Christians in Texas because of that, but I am a Jew first.... well not according to the "race purity" types who call me goyim. Perhaps I am just taking it too hard? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland, What I remember are the youth of Iran, now the leaders of Iran, who took my American brethren hostage. I watched as Jimmy Carter tried for years to negotiate with them and the ensuing embarrassment from his weakness ushered in the Bush years. The Iranians, survivors of Haman, will not stop their attempts to exterminate Jews anywhere they find them unless we force them to. Now, how do you suppose we do that? Now we have Jimmy Carter pleading for the Palestinians. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 goodness me! listen to all this... The staged interview was made popular by the since removed self appointed boss of everyone, GW Bush. He relied on the fact that people get their information from sound bites and Fox news gyrations. He was right for a lot of the time. People like Jon Stewart, Bill Maher, and Mr Colbert (pronounced coal bare ha ha ) etched away at the closed set of staged journalism until the light shone through. There are still hundreds of thousands in America that believe the blusterous lies of the last Bush administration in spite of being up to their necks in the truth. There is nothing that can be done for them. As far as a two state solution for Israel...sure as long as its Judah and Israel. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Neuroshock, You will never hear a republican or bigot or fascist (in many cases all the same) apologize for being wrong about someone they hate. It doesn't happen. They seem to think the louder they scream their lies the more people will believe them, after all it works for the Palestinians. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Around here when you say this conversation never happened it means something different. It means we've made a deal but we will speak of it no more and we "do not recall" it ever happening. As far as this goes it does look like influence peddling, but it very well may not be. If the people involved broke the law (not the GW Bush kinda law, but real law) then they need to pay for their deeds. If this is just another attempt by the Republican party to use word trickery to persecute Israel and Jews in general then we need to pursue criminal action against said perpetrators. I believe Gonzales has already been fired in disgrace for illegal "not recalling". As have many of his cohorts. It is time to aggressively pursue instances like these until all of them have been resolved. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 How long must we put up with this? How long will we stand by while our very lives are threatened? Why do we even allow this to happen? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I wish I could visit Jerusalem... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 open mouth insert foot? Mr Netanyahu, may I suggest and honest approach? You do realize there can be no Palestinian state within the boundaries of Israel don't you? You do realize the world is again becoming unjustly polarized against Israel and Jewish life everywhere, right? You do know we have to defend our way of life and our right to life or there will be no life for us, right? Stand strong. I know you can find the courage somewhere. Dig deep if you have to. Stand up for the people who elected you to stand up for them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Again I call for an overwhelming pre-emptive obliteration of Iran by whatever means it can be accomplished. This situation is only getting worse and the evil is spreading every day. I have always stated I will not sit by while the holocaust is set up again. I urge every rational person to consider the seriousness of this issue and choose to stand against these horrible murdering people. Please don't believe again that dialogue and gestures will calm these irrational beasts of death. Centuries of history prove that wrong. It is coming down to the last call. Make your choice. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This person is disgusting and its shameful he is getting laughs for his atrocious behavior There are people in the USA who do the same. The problem is that people think its funny to make fun of genocide, murder, and terrorism. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 ain't it the truth? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is time to end the United Nations. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Does any one find all this familiar? Last time it was dismissed. This time it must be met with determined opposition. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 sounds like the old story of the scorpion and the frog to me... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Any unwanted affection of a sexual nature can be construed as sexual harassment and it should not be tolerated. I was being a little tongue in cheek, but I would really find it hard to believe anyone would take an 85 yr old man serious unless this was a young girl. Then he should be terribly ashamed for helping to ruin her innocence. We must also remember that Ha-Shem holds us to a higher standard then our gentile counterparts and as such we should be reprimanded for our criminal failings. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This rule was to give workers the right not to violate the ethics of their conscious or faith. It was not to be a tool for power motivated entities to exact penalty on the very people who need help. It sprang out of pharmacists being fired for refusing to give "next day" abortion pills to people and while I believe it is a woman's choice if she is unmarried and the "family's" choice if she is... it is wrong to put a man's honest interpretation of his faith on the line. There are plenty of secular pharmacists who have no problem with killing their futures and there should be some sort of recognition system so that potential customers can find them. This should not have to be a law issue. Shame on us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yes Leland Muslim shrines need to be completely removed from the land of Israel and all of Islam's followers deported from Israel. If it comes to the point where they refuse to give up their purpose of exterminating the Jewish people then, at Ha-Shem's direction, put every single one of them to the sword. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Mr Dent, I falsely arrived at that temporary thought by reading some of the comments where I thought you were giving Palestinians too much over my Jewish brethren, but again it could have been my ire at Tamar... No offense I hope. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland sometimes during a war campaign victory can be thwarted by allowing news of the plans of attack out to those in the open world. In the second world war the US Navy had posters that said "loose lips sink ships" and indeed they do! Censorship is a drastic tool that sometimes must be used to keep a society free. It should not be wielded unless absolutely necessary and that decision should only be arrived at on a case by case temporary basis. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No not too mean at all. I was too mean in my reply to No Dreamer. I regret losing my temper. I feel, Leland, you aren't being mean enough. In truth states like Iran are hell bent to destroy us and the only thing that will stop their rabid onslaught is utter destruction of their ability to act outside their borders. That is why their ability to coordinate masses of workers in industrialized efforts must be stopped cold. Destroying a complex or two simply wont do it as long as they can put together enough workers to rebuild. I don't relish destruction or the deaths of people, even Iranians or Palestinians, but show me another way.... please. Just remember I am an excellent strategist and I know when something won't work. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It was once said by an upper level official of the US Space effort that the space race was a contest between the America's German Jews and Russia's German Jews... The Jewish discipline for learning and education is well known worldwide. It pays off every single day... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 LOL Stuart... no its probably an organized effort of the massive Arab populations living in France. Just grab some smooth stones and go clean the places up. Ha-Shem knows what evil each man does. By the way, if you notice Tamar is no longer dripping his acidic hatred in here, but I think he's a misguided Jewish brother. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 duh... write not right.... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There are many in this world and even in my home town who would like to round us all up and murder us. There are many who use us as scapegoats for their wickedness and greed. There are many who would blame the world's shortcomings on every Jew that breathed, but we can't let that stop us or allow us to fall from our responsibilities to Ha-Shem and each other. If there are those who would right to you, Leland, and threaten you or demand you stop writing...give me their names and addresses. Let them deal with me. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland this man is an Austrian Nazi who travels the world denouncing the Holocaust as a hoax by Jews and sympathetic Christians. He has distributed slanderous lies about leading Jews in many nations and constantly publishes self constructed histories designed to glorify the National Socialist Movements and advocation extermination of Jewry. This man is getting only a taste of what he deserves. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 It is an uninformed but kind gesture... why would you want to find badness in it? The faithful know when they need to be in Shul. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I must say this... I have been graciously saved from an unfair incarceration and starvation by a Palestinian family and I realize not every person born a Palestinian is a hateful murderer. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Woof! The Palestinian genocide? What a load. There have been three large scale horrible genocidal acts in general history and all by the central-western european christian. The War of the Cross, The Slaughter of the American Indian, and the Holocaust in World War II. There have been many smaller but just as horrible genocidal atrocities such as Pol Pot, Sudan, several in Africa, Serbia etc., but the Palestinian is not one of those. The Palestinian in general is an angry irrational bloodthirsty murderer who rages against Judaism and uses lies to rationalize it with the rest of the world. His lack of humanity and social grace is the biggest reason he is unwelcome in all of the Arab lands. Only the Hashemites accept them and that isn't by choice. Mr. Wheeler you are an uninformed person. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Free speech is important. Identifying anti-semitism is also very important. The world is moving closer and closer to a repeat of the second world war on a grander scale and this time there can be no peaceful walk to the showers. We must be prepared to eradicate all who war against us this time... once and for all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I don't want to see the closing of a Hebrew school of higher learning, but I still don't really understand what reform Judaism is. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I pray Ha-Shem will spare those of us in the USA who know better then to back a two state solution and trust the untrustable Arab or Persian. There are more of us then meets the public eye. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There can be no two state solution other then Judah and Israel 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 About half of Jordan belongs to Israel. When the original 1948 mandate gave most of that to the Palestinian against its own recommendation the seeds for war were sown. From day one the Arabic states have conspired to murder the Jew where ever he/she lived and this continues today. We are quickly moving towards the finality of Arabia as they increasingly challenge Ha-Shem's people and they KNOW their "truths" are lies. They forget it is not the other nations they need to woo but Ha-Shem personally and Ha-Shem will NOT be fooled. The time for the valley of blood is fast approaching. This is not of Israel's doing, but the wicked Arab states. Public opinion won't mean a thing. This is for Ha-Shem's glory. The chance for those who stand against Israel to make peace is swiftly disappearing. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Ever since the UN has started being run by murderous 3rd world nations, bias against Israel has increased many fold and most western nations realize monies given and authority used tends to be unfairly brought to bare against Israel and industrialized Christian nations. The time of the UN has passed and only the tacit ping pong of diplomatic game playing is delaying the horrible conflict we all know is coming. May these dogs of hate and mayhem be utterly destroyed and the state of Israel shine for eternity. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I still pray, Leland, that living with the daily terror of Palestinian attack doesn't cause unneeded death on any side of this conflict. but of course better not a Jew. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Yeah Sylvia, no surprise there. Yemen has long been a two faced stab you in the back country. If the Jews want out and no one will let them out, what is the solution for that? How can I help? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Marvin, I kind of agree with you, but temper that agreement with knowing these few things. A lot of the rhetoric against Israel being a unique state for the Jew is due to historical ignorance and an over bearing sense of pity for the pitiful. Seriously... look at the Palestinian occupation... that is pitiful. It evokes sympathy from the outset because there is no in depth look at the reality. Furthermore, Israel has done things that really aren't designed to help the economic growth or stability of the Palestinian enclave, although honestly I can understand it, but it still looks bad to the outside world. I, myself, find criticisms of Israeli political policy valid from time to time and I am far from a self hating Jew. Right is right no matter who makes the call. Wrong is wrong just as much. There are many factors involved and many different faces living in Israel. It needs to be the Jewish state as outlined by Ha-Shem. I am more conservative then orthodox because I believe rabbinical directive should adapt to the intellectual and spiritual growth of the human soul, but I would not complain if Israel was made in to a strict orthodox controlled state (I am not saying the so-called ultra orthodox as this is another example of harsh elitism and extremism, but it surely has its place). I would happily give my life for the perpetuation of Israel for my fellows and my children, but I already live in a society that condones immorality, homosexuality, beastiality, etc etc etc... I realize the USA is a place where a person can pursue his or her own view of happiness, but I long for the day I can have a place to be where the people around me share my views. Presently in Israel that isn't the case. There are a multitude of factions, ideologies, and points of view. That does not resemble the Jewish state I grew up to believe in, but still I pray at least 3 times a day for the continuance of Israel and the restoration of the Temple. Criticism whether harsh or tongue in cheek can be a healthy tool to examine the weaknesses and strengths of any social entity and all nations are collectives of such... Israel is the ONLY place on earth created to honor Ha-Shem through Judaism as handed down at Sinai, by Ha-Shem personally. That is very very unique and deserves respect. The point is this... Criticism of Israel is NOT ant-semitism. Criticism of a Jew (especially by another Jew) is not really in good form, but its not necessarily anti-semitism. Hateful speech, angry shoutings of racial slurs, violent abuse.... those things are anti semitic. Most people who say Arabs should claim the land of Israel just don't know any better Marvin. That is where you and I come in. We need to provide a good example and show where their error lies. If they still persist in those statements, yeah I would have to agree with you. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 If the world at large really wants to end the Palestinian nightmare, bring peace to the middle east, and give the Jewish people their rightful state of Israel then move the Arabs out! Remove Iran, Syria, etc as threats... permanently, and restore Israel's boundaries. This has always been the only real solution yet no one in the world political stage is willing to step up to this reality. Instead people are killed on a daily basis for no good reason at all. So... another life gone. What a waste... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Now that is nice of them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 At first I was under the impression Mr. Dent was another anti-semite, but after reading his collection of comments I see he is more even handed then I thought. FYI only Nothing short of making it impossible for Iran to enrich to weapons grade will stop them. They are testing launch vehicles, trying to buy nuclear armament technology and are feverishly working to produce nuclear bombs on their own. Their very president claims he is the one that will bring about the destruction of Israel. There is no reasoning with this regime or this people. The sooner Iran is reduced to rubble the better it will be for the whole world. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Reports surfacing have indicated Hamas was preventing prominent people from leaving to keep them at risk to maximize the political effect. Perhaps this doctor was one of those not allowed to leave his home and as a result lost his family. Still if, and I say IF the IDF shot these children down in cold blood the perpetrators need to be taken to task for it. Two wrongs never make a right. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 correction ...sorry I meant to say Rabbi Saperstein. I apologise to Rabbi Allen 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 From an objective point of view, not knowing either of the Rabbis mentioned I must say I am shocked to see such slanderous statements about a Rabbi by Jews. Even though I don't really agree with Reform Judaism, the love of my life does. What I don't understand is the willingness to attack honorable men, Jewish brethren with such intensity and disdain. Clearly Torah doesn't matter to these detractors. They should be happy for Rabbi Allen instead of shaming themselves by spreading their evil tongue. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Anything that can be done to preserve the western wall is well worth it. I look forward to the day we can evict the squatters now occupying the other side of the wall on the Temple site itself. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Neuroshock, you will discover Tamar hates everything and everyone. His rhetoric condemns everything that he doesn't understand. In truth Al Franken won the contest by a slim margin as was recorded and certified by the Minnesota (extremely right wing state) election department three times. Mr. Coleman just can't believe or accept his defeat. He is dragging this out and costing the taxpayers millions. He is making himself look petty and vindictive. I guess he doesn't realize his "fix" wasn't in. He is putting his own selfish desire above the needs of the people of his state. He needs to concede with whatever honor he may still have left. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I could not agree more. Please keep this in the public eye. The youth of the world today needs to recognize the holocaust for what it was. They need to see for themselves the result that hate brings. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I would like to hear more about this story. What kind of person would go against an armed patrol with a knife, especially from a distance? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I can't believe I'm with Tamar on this one... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh my goodness...Robert Hamilton you are either a liar or a fool. What rock are you hiding under or are you just another catholic "they killed Jesus" cultist? fyi the romans (catholics) killed jesus and the Nazis murdered 6 million Jews... the Nazis were really proud of their record keeping and besides we know the families that simply don't exist any more. Your claim saddens me greatly and I am ashamed that you may be an American. Kurt Williams you have a Nazi name so perhaps that explains your viewpoint. the early settlers to America's treatment of the indigenous populations (Indians) was horrific true, but to compare that to the wholesale slaughter of 6 million men, women , and children penned up and starved is completely barbaric and indicative of how evil you really are. It would be best if you NEVER met me on the street. I just might make a lampshade outa yer butt. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tamar, while the current Islamist philosophy is pretty close to your description, Muhammad the founder of Islam was not historically known for what you describe. I am a Jew and as such am diametrically opposed to the philosophy of anyone claiming Ha-Shem is not Supreme, but to use lies to forward your agenda is evil and you need to stop. No one but you can make that happen, although you still need to stop. Muhammad married a widowed caravan owner and went in to his "cave" to come up with a unified faith in order to chase the many idolatry faiths running wild in the Arabia of his day. I make no excuses for Islam or the violent murderous behavior of the Arabic world, but I would ask you, Tamar, to stop lying. Lashon Ha-Ra Tamar 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 There is no point in commenting here... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You idiot... this man went around publishing anti-Jewish literature claiming the Holocaust was a lie. I have been to three of the camps and I personally knew several survivors. The horror of those places must be exhibited as a reminder to the world what hate (like yours Tamar) can do. You attack Australia for stopping this wicked ignorant person. Hypocrite! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 You are so full of crap Tamar. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tamar your ignorance is of a stellar level. Your eagerness to hate what you don't understand is so unlike Judaism. I have a feeling you are some sandbagging Arab pretending to be a Jew in order to make us look bad. The only president in our history that did things like that without congressional approval as required by the US Constitutions was GW Bush and that low life two faced ...individual... is no longer in a place of power. As a matter of fact he set his party back almost a hundred years. The money to rebuild Gaza has not yet been handed out and there were discussions to how conducted by US officials and Israeli officials this very day in Israel. You need to read before you shoot your mouth off. If there is anyone here that needs to be censored (G-d forbid) its you because of your hate motivated lies. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tamar you indeed are a liar and a coward. You have crossed the line. You have absolutely no historical background to make your false claims and you have no knowledge of me at all to make your outlandish accusations. You are like so many cowards who hide behind legitimate forums like this to lash out at everything you are afraid of. I want intelligent discussion and you just want to self validate your hatred and bigotry towards everyone. You can disagree with me or anyone and I am sure people do, but you are just plain sick. You toss out personal attacks, vile lies, and cowardly antagonisms instead. You bring your trauma on yourself. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Leland I must say to you that hate no matter where it comes from destroys all good in its presence. I would hope if you read my comments you would understand I am fully aware of the desire of the Arab and the Persian to kill all Jews. I live in the USA and there are a lot of Muslims not of Arabic or Persian descent. While they, like most people in a religion, believe their religion to be the right one, they don't preach hate and murder and don't exhibit or advocate violence to Judaism or Jews. I cannot bring myself to hate someone... I know I have to defend my people and my faith, but I don't have to attack those who don't want to attack me. When I said even keeled I was referring to Stuart's reviling of his friend because he drove a German car and used Moslem gas. In case any of you weren't aware... the holocaust was kept secret from most of the German population as well as the rest of the world. Mr. Daimler was not a Nazi but he was a major manufacturer of motorized vehicles. Mr. Diesel wasn't a Nazi either but he did produce an engine that ultimately brought down the German advance in to Russia because the fuel jelled and would not reach the injectors. Both of these people were Germans and provided equipment to the German Govt during the second world war. Japan, an ally of Germany, produces a lot more cars used in Israel. Should they be boycotted too? All I am saying is stop applying a wandering border of double standards. Understand what the evil was and still is. Differentiate yourselves from it and recognize that not everything German is evil... GW Bush and Dick Cheney are evil. Do you think all Americans are too as a result? Do you blame the foot soldier for the war his superiors put him in? That's like blaming your foot for your next step. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tamal you are a filthy liar I bet you are a coward too. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tamar stfu! You ignorant hate monger. Bill Clinton supports a two state solution for Israel which means in no way can I support him. He is really not an enemy of the Jew, but he isn't really a friend either. The same can be said of so many. Mr Clinton apparently believes his misguided sense of fairness dictates an equal existence of Jew and Arab living in peace. He just doesn't comprehend the hate and unflinching desire to kill that the Arabs have (and Tamal exhibits as well). He thinks they are willing to share the soil in harmony. He is wrong. Mr. Obama is wrong, and Hillary Clinton is wrong. The Annapolis accord is wrong, but you can't explain to a baby the horrors of a wolf. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tamar... you constantly spew hate and ignorance. Why don't you just shut up? I concur with you Stuart, but I think we in the USA deserve the right to prosecute these murderous usurpers of our liberties and the rights of others. Many of the Bush administration are already serving felony prison sentences, many are still awaiting trial, but the key figures are running around free, enriched by their illegal activities, and supported by the so called neo-cons Tamar so ignorantly speaks of. We definitely need to root these people out of our society somehow. They are not nice people. There are many in the senate and congress that also deserve to face criminal charges of both parties. Let us be fair and even handed. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart, No one can make Tamar look as stupid as Tamar does all on his own.... funny though. Leland, when Mrs Pelosi was young enough to take part in Haight-Ashbury it had already been overcome by the Gays. Most of us who were still of an able consciousness moved on before that. Tamar no.... you are just bleeping insane. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Oh heavens... what kind of sexual assault can an 85yr old commit? There must be more to this story. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 This time I agree with you Tamar. The Jewish state should be the Jewish state and the Temple belongs to us. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Jerry, I understand your disdain for someone who helped murder 6million of our people simply for being Jews. The murder of even one is a catastrophe. The Israeli courts let him go because they could not rationally affix such blame on him and during that time he spent 7 yrs in prison awaiting the final outcome. The justice system of the people he is accused of wronging have let him go. Please try to come to terms with this event. Don't let hate destroy you as it has Mr. Tamar here. My girlfriend's grandfather carried his tattoed arm to the grave a few years ago. Both he and his wife spent their lives since the camps helping people remember and heal. Please let go of your hate. Justice will be done the best we can do as human beings and the justice of Ha-Shem will come about for us all. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Tamar In Jewish law if the person or people an accused has wronged is released by those he wronged no man man come against him. Yet, here you are screaming hate, not him, but at the United States and gentiles simply for being gentiles. You need professional help or you will probably end up in prison for some senseless wanton act of terror. I don't know what your beef is with this person. How many of your relatives died in the camps? The Israeli courts set him free. They arrived at their decision by just deliberation. Repeat that phrase over in your head Tamor....Just Deliberation. Who are you to second guess the Israeli courts and use the situation to spew your hatred and bigotry? The holocaust was the most horrible event in modern history and no excuse should be made for it, but it is the hate like YOU exhibit that allowed it to happen. If you are Jewish talk to a Rabbi. You need help. You continuously show signs of paranoid delusion. Get some help! 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Liz Berney... that means that 14 of them were here legally! Another fact you failed to mention was that all but ONE were from Egypt... either Egyptian or Egyptian immigrant, funded by the Saudi Government. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Neuroshock, I can understand your position. I would pull everyone back and wait for a period of null in prevailing winds. At that time I would send a few MRVs with 10 multiples each to every major Iranian city with medium to low kiloton yields. That's me though.... Its actually very doable and a whole lot cheaper then the current campaign of wasting million dollar a piece buster bombs in the mountains of Afghanistan and the 8.7 billion dollar a week slaughter in Iraq. The people in Israel should stay in doors for about a week to ten days, then all would be ok. I don't want even a hair on an Israeli's head to be harmed... 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 No Dreamer, I wonder where you get your news? I wonder how you draw your conclusions. Not that it matters. I think your response to my words is indicative of a rather emotionally biased ignorance rather then any substantiated factual premise. I did get a good laugh from your words though. "Dim-ocrat" ... thats funny, And, by the way, yes... the Bush/Cheney administration IS responsible for the last 8 yrs of US Policy, you moronic dolt. As a matter of fact we are presently having to deal with the tremendous and utter failure those policies were. Do you really believe talking like a tough guy makes you one? What we need are people who will talk and act like intelligent people, not "git er done" fools. The US has been destroyed on the global front, both economically and militarily by the Bush Administration. He has left us in a position where bluster is the only weapon we have left besides our nukes. We have an under funded under manned seriously over worked and exhausted military that knows if it gets hurt the US will turn its back when these soldiers return home. Private corporate spin offs of Haliburton run everything down to the clothes they wear.... from the faulty armored vests to the poorly fitting gas masks. From the food to the shelter.... This situation is pitiful! But... you keep talking your trash... How about them un armored vehicles responsible for 85% of death and injury to our valiant soldiers? Produced in plants owned and operated by the Republican controlled military equipment consortiums. Their purpose is not to win this or even produce results. Their purpose is to use the blood of our children as buffers while they rape Iraq of its oil reserves. There is no honor in this dishonor except for the brave men and women Bush has put in harms way for his profit. I get angry just thinking about stupid cowards like you. Thank Ha-Shem for the brave mostly democratic souls who have fought and given their lives so that jerkwads like you can freely spout your ignorance. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Correction... I meant a cooperative agreement between Canada and the USA to allow coming and going as a person pleased, not that Canada was more relaxed at letting Jewish immigrants in then the US. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 My sentiments are not very sensitive towards Islam. Out of respect for the millions of people who share that faith, I will remain quiet on that front. I try not to be blindly hateful, but I am very purposeful. Mr Goldbarg I am actually surprised by your statement on this article. I thought you more even keeled. In this struggle between good and evil I find the lines blurred. I know many Jews who don't quite follow Torah and I know a few Muslims who don't believe in all this hate and murder. I do know for a surety Ha-Shem is supreme and we are all of His making. I know that Ha-Shem gave us a special responsibility to all of our gentile brothers and sisters and we are not performing our duties as a whole. Were we to be Ha-Shem would not allow these people who consider Ha-Shem's people to be infidels to prosper. Still the murder of one Jew is a horrible crime against us all. The matter of our enemies filling their places of worship with weapons of hate shows them for what they are. We must pull up our britches and start acting like adults. We must stop our bickering, our wanton pursuits of greed, power, and immorality. We need to start preparing for the ultimate confrontation we all know is coming. My suggestion is to train your children how to survive, keep strong and fit, and become familiar with weaponry. Study tactics and especially Torah. Do not preach hate. Always hang on to the hope of peaceful interdiction but be prepared to fight. The enemies of Ha-Shem will be delivered in to our hands and you should already know that. The catch is (there's always a catch), if we aren't well versed enough and practiced enough in knowing and doing right from wrong we won't be where Ha-Shem wants us.... the right place at the right time. Remember... we are now observing Passover. What is Passover? Why Passover? The very act of saving the observant of Ha-Shem later to become the Jew at Sinai. Have faith in Ha-Shem. Remember why we are here, to show the ways of Ha-Shem to the world. Are YOU doing that? This holiday is proof of our protection provided we do the right things. So... in reality its all in our hands isn't it? 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 Stuart Goldbarg you are absolutely correct... very astute of you. Mr Yerian, you are merely a vicious bigot and your words are only empty words of hate. I would suggest you remain hidden in your little psuedo-christian cave of ignorance until you come to your senses. We just got through with eight years of your kind of government and it bankrupted the nation, put us in two wars based on lies and has left us defenseless and overcome with illegal immigrants. How to fringe cultists like you make it in society? Neuroshock you are mostly correct... However, a concentrated first strike attack against Iran's major cities would basically only kill Iranians... a loss I am willing to accept. I don't like the killing of anyone, but these people raise their children to hate you and your children. They think it is their duty to exterminate all who aren't just like them.... Persian Nazis, if you will. Such a strike would make Iran an absolutely useless entity and would encourage other Islamic states to assimilate Iranian territory. The resulting conflicts would keep those jealous dogs busy for decades. Then we could turn our full attention towards the Palestinians... Heh... I should be a diplomat :) 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 The immigration problem in the USA is way out of hand and the general populace has reached its tolerance level. There are many cries of "close the borders" and "chase the illegals back home!". I hope that legal Jewish Immigration is readily accepted by the USA. I would prefer for the Jewish people to have an open border visa agreement with the US like Canada did for years. I am a bit biased I suppose. I am one of these who wants illegal immigration to the US stopped and the 18 million illegals now living here (probably many more) caught and taken to the border and thrown out, but legal immigration is an entirely different matter. Right now Muslims are coming in by the score. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 All these talks are a waste anyway. Iran is going to do what it wants and the only thing that will stop it is forcing it to stop. Any other tactic is nothing more then a silly waste of noise. These "talks" are just an attempt to dance around the problem. If there was anything the US could actually do, it would. The Iranians are fully aware of this. They may be angry murderous racist dogs, but they are cunning and they aren't stupid. The USA has squandered its money and its might on a foolish bid for oil supremacy at the expense of many innocent lives and has brought this atrocious distaster on the entire world. Mr. GW Bush should be arrested and tried for treason (along with his compadres) and then executed as provided by law for treason during a time of war. While I do respect the rule of law if it were my way I'd go Mongolian on his butt... him and his entire family down to the very last distant relative. I would do the same for the Cheney's, the Rumsfelds,, the Abramoffs, the DeLays, etc, etc, etc, until we rid ourselves of their ilk.... Fortunately for me I don't have to... Ha-Shem will take care of it all The United States is nothing more than an oppressor to its own poor and a paper tiger to the world. FYI I am a very solid conservative who believes in the Democratic Process (not the tyranny of the current republican party) and I voted for Obama because he was the ONLY rational choice. With the new paperless voting machines there is no more writing in any candidate... I do not believe in anarchy or any thing less then a citizenry representative form of government. I also believe the citizenry has a responsibility to become informed and exercise it's control over its governmental leaders. I believe the USA has become so corrupt in its political system that nothing short of a cmplete cleaning house method by the voters will do any good at all. The only other choice is too horrible to mention. The wealthy global corporations must be chased out, broken up, or whatever it takes to remove their influence. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 A two state solution is no solution. Israel cannot accept one. It has been proven beyond any reasonable person's doubt the Palestinians are dedicated to murdering the Jew where ever they find them. Our only solution is to return Israel to it's G-d given borders and respond however needed to the insidious aggressors. For far too long we have suffered at the hands of almost everyone. For far too long we have allowed others to decide our fate. We have Ha-Shem on our side. Who could they have? Right now our own people are developing signs of fascist oppression, wild amoral conduct including sanctioning of gay couples and even more. We are rotting from within because we are allowing others to determine our lives. I am not advocating extremism. I make examples of both hoping the reader understands neither way is right, but we must return to our life regardless of outside pressure. We must return Israel to its proper boundaries, and we must rid ourselves of these rabid dogs trying to devour us. Then... and ONLY then will we live in peace. A two state solution...what a joke. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I unfortunately, do not live in Israel, but maybe one day eh? I do have an opinion but take its worth as you see fit. I believe you have installed a leader who is part of the world wide corporate good ol boy power monger's club and ultimately (as previous term proved) will be a mistake as his interests are more personal power rather then Israel's needs. Because of this his appointments will be politically motivated rather then solution motivated and the quagmire Israel is stuck in will only get worse. I fear the kind lady would have been a better choice except for one major point. Israel is about to be engaged in a major struggle for its survival and I believe she is too soft on that issue. Olmert was a mistake from day one and so is anyone who preaches a two state solution to Israel. Israel needs to get its territory back in one piece and force the Arab world in to accepting it. I work hard on my end for just such a solution! When I see pictures of people digging through trash bins for food etc I find you have some serious problems that need immediate attention. Instead of the latest round of finger pointing and back patting perhaps the Knesset can take care of its people? Just a suggestion 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 I hope Olmert is innocent of any corruption as the Head of the Israeli Government, but I have been and remain adamantly against his political aspirations since I learned he favors a two state Israel. I want Israel to be what Israel is supposed to be... a Jewish state with the boundaries Ha-Shem put down for all eternity. I don't feel Israelis should accept anything less. It is easy for me to talk like this, living in the United States as I do, but there can be no peaceful solution other then a whole and complete Israel. There is plenty of room for the Palestinians and Arabs elsewhere, but no one wants them, not even their brothers. They are like rabid dogs killing and devouring because it is all they know. Any leader of Israel who suggests incorporating these people in the Jewish state is not fit to lead Israel. Its a simple logical conclusion. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 In this particular instance you are definitely correct Steve. This person is a hard core fascist and a hater of the Jew. Does anyone remember the role the Catholic clergy played in the holocaust? Has anyone noticed the quiet return of anti-Jewish rhetoric by the Catholic church? Shall we discuss the political viewpoint of the right wing Nicaraguan power base? The leftists are just plain anti- faith period... they hate all religions equally. There is a movement afoot in central and south America against Judaism and it really needs to be paid attention to and all those who rally to slander the Jewish people with such hatred need to be exposed for what they are through supportable truth and undeniable example. Responding with irrational statements or hate filled rants do nothing but make matters worse. Please let us expose these people for who they are and not put ourselves in the same basket as them. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00 At first glance I feel that Mr. Falk appears biased and would rather point out detracting issues rather then a well rounded story, but I am quite concerned about the two comments I read one suggesting this man be murdered for his words and another that he is a hater of Jews. The only fact one can conclude from the report is that Mr. Falk accuses IDF soldiers of killing civilians along with Military. We must remember that Hamas' own words claim there are no civilians in Gaza and that all have taken up arms against Israel. These fanatics want the total extermination of the Jewish people simply because they hate. Let us not jump in to their pit by exhibiting the very same behavior. 2012-02-09T;22:54:00-05:00